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oldude said:
Don’t know how likely this is, but Dawn to Portland makes more sense than Kara to the Boston Celtics. At least Dawn has a lengthy resume as a successful college and National team HC.
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I disagree--coaching women's college basketball is completely different from coaching in the NBA. I'd take my chances on Kara or Hammon who have experience in the NBA and have learned a lot of the intricacies that go into coaching in the league, plus both have players and coaches who are vetting them as prime candidates. I dont doubt that Dawn has the ability but I think there'd be more of a learning curve with so much experience coaching collegiate women that the adjustment would be a bit rockier if she coaches NBA players and learns the business on the fly. For example, Kara Lawson appeared on JJ Redick's podcast and pointed out how she was surprised at how sensitive NBA players are compared to WNBA players. I can see Dawn having a more difficult time taking the reigns of an NBA team and getting them to buy into her system and style of coaching compared to someone with direct experience and who is likely more malleable.
 
bballnut90 said:
I disagree--coaching women's college basketball is completely different from coaching in the NBA. I'd take my chances on Kara or Hammon who have experience in the NBA and have learned a lot of the intricacies that go into coaching in the league, plus both have players and coaches who are vetting them as prime candidates. I dont doubt that Dawn has the ability but I think there'd be more of a learning curve with so much experience coaching collegiate women that the adjustment would be a bit rockier if she coaches NBA players and learns the business on the fly. For example, Kara Lawson appeared on JJ Redick's podcast and pointed out how she was surprised at how sensitive NBA players are compared to WNBA players. I can see Dawn having a more difficult time taking the reigns of an NBA team and getting them to buy into her system and style of coaching compared to someone with direct experience and who is likely more malleable.
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You are equating Kara, who has coached exactly 1 season as an assistant in the nba, a season substantially reduced by a pandemic, to Hammon who has coached 7 years in the NBA. Hammon is ready to be a HC in the NBA, which is why she is being interviewed by the Portland Trailblazers. In no way is Kara ready to be a HC. She is being interviewed by the Celtics because she coached there for that one season, and Brad Stephens respects her ability. But she will not get the Celtics HC job.

As for Dawn, she has substantially more HC experience than a number of men who were named NBA HC’s, including Brad Stephens, the former HC of the Boston Celtics and current GM.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Nan I did above!
She has a bigger ego than Geno (which is bigtime) and that would make her consider this chance very seriously IMHO!
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So, if Dawn were a man and acted the same way, would you still accuse her of having a big ego?

The double standards are maddening - and dated. Women can be as strong and as aggressive as men without being “lesser”.
 
HuskyNan said:
So, if Dawn were a man and acted the same way, would you still accuse her of having a big ego?

The double standards are maddening - and dated. Women can be as strong and as aggressive as men without being “lesser”.
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Your post got me thinking. Dawn may simply be testing the waters to see if she can coax a few more dollars out of SC, something Jeff Walz tried twice at Louisville, succeeding just once.
 
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HuskyNan said:
So, if Dawn were a man and acted the same way, would you still accuse her of having a big ego?

The double standards are maddening - and dated. Women can be as strong and as aggressive as men without being “lesser”.
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Yup, thank you. A man acts the same way and people eat it up. Strong women are threatening, especially a strong black woman.
 
oldude said:
You are equating Kara, who has coached exactly 1 season as an assistant in the nba, a season substantially reduced by a pandemic, to Hammon who has coached 7 years in the NBA. Hammon is ready to be a HC in the NBA, which is why she is being interviewed by the Portland Trailblazers. In no way is Kara ready to be a HC. She is being interviewed by the Celtics because she coached there for that one season, and Brad Stephens respects her ability. But she will not get the Celtics HC job.

As for Dawn, she has substantially more HC experience than a number of men who were named NBA HC’s, including Brad Stephens, the former HC of the Boston Celtics and current GM.
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I didn't equate them, I stated I think they both would be better options than Dawn based on their NBA experience, although Kara admittedly has very little coaching experience, though it appears she made quite an impact in her one season.

Coaching collegiate women is a totally different game than coaching in the NBA--one's not easier or better/worse than the other, it's just apples and oranges with different expectations, different levels of pressure, and coaches need to manage relationships differently. Dawn's resume is undoubtedly phenomenal but if I'm a GM, I'd rather take someone with NBA experience who has more familiarity with the league's dynamics, the players, expectations, etc. I'd say the same about any men's colleiate coach wanting to take the jump, as coaches who jump from college to the NBA without NBA coaching experience seldom find success either. Brad Stevens seems to be an outlier in that arena:

www.espn.com

How have college coaches fared in the NBA?

With John Beilein leaving Michigan for the Cavaliers, we look at the last 25 years of coaches leaving college for the NBA -- and history shows it's a mixed bag.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
www.cbssports.com

College coaches to NBA: How they've fared the past 20 years

What's in store for Brad Stevens going from Butler to the Boston Celtics? Let's look at the past two decades of college coaches who've taken pro jobs and how they've done.
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Dawn Staley is a good/great RECRUITER not a good or great GAME coach!
I am not and have never been a fan of Dawn!
She has everything a coach could want at SoCar BUT Money and Fame are very appealing!
She has a bigger ego than Geno (which is bigtime) and that would make her consider this chance very seriously IMHO!
And Portland's ownership might triple or quadruple Dawn's current salary!' Never say never.
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I really am curious - what stories do you have to support that Staley has a huge ego?
 
Sakibomb25 said:
I really am curious - what stories do you have to support that Staley has a huge ego?
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bballnut90 said:
I didn't equate them, I stated I think they both would be better options than Dawn based on their NBA experience, although Kara admittedly has very little coaching experience, though it appears she made quite an impact in her one season.

Coaching collegiate women is a totally different game than coaching in the NBA--one's not easier or better/worse than the other, it's just apples and oranges with different expectations, different levels of pressure, and coaches need to manage relationships differently. Dawn's resume is undoubtedly phenomenal but if I'm a GM, I'd rather take someone with NBA experience who has more familiarity with the league's dynamics, the players, expectations, etc. I'd say the same about any men's colleiate coach wanting to take the jump, as coaches who jump from college to the NBA without NBA coaching experience seldom find success either. Brad Stevens seems to be an outlier in that arena:

www.espn.com

How have college coaches fared in the NBA?

With John Beilein leaving Michigan for the Cavaliers, we look at the last 25 years of coaches leaving college for the NBA -- and history shows it's a mixed bag.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
www.cbssports.com

College coaches to NBA: How they've fared the past 20 years

What's in store for Brad Stevens going from Butler to the Boston Celtics? Let's look at the past two decades of college coaches who've taken pro jobs and how they've done.
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Your point on college coaches to the NBA is accurate. I like Kara. She’s been a great spokesperson for WBB for many years and I truly hope that she is successful at Duke or wherever she ends up coaching. But it’s really a stretch to suggest that after just one year in the NBA as an assistant, with no prior coaching experience, she is ready to be a HC in the NBA.
 
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In our world, UConn world that is, all we want is to put the lost year behind us, play meaningful games against great teams coached by great coaches. Geno has created a monster by which very few teams out there present a challenge to us on the basketball court. I believe if Kara stays, Duke will again become a factor again, Dawns exit from SC would be a blow to them. Kim just left Baylor to fend for themselves with a new direction. All these speculations from the NBA may be great for women, great for womens coaches, but not necessarily great for us. Hopefully LSU will become a new rivalry (unless they come calling for Kim ), SC may regress if Dawn leaves as recruiting will take a hit. All I'm saying is although it is really great for these women, we need them for our program to stay strong, to give our season a spark that is not coming from conference play. The personalities of these coaches create passion for their own student athletes and the challenge for Geno and every other great coach and school out there. I for one am being selfish I know, but I don't want WBB to become irrelevant if we lose the personalities that are the core of WCBB.
 
Sorry to disappoint but I'll quote Dawn's response printed in today's "State Newspaper"

"No ounce of me wants to coach outside of college".

"Too much work to be done in women's basketball"

I stole this from Volnation. Posted there by an SC fan.
 
SCspur said:
Meanwhile she was a missed layup away from coaching in a championship, but please do continue to go off…
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Every single game in the FF was ugly-which plays right into her hands.

I said it before and I'll say it again, every team in the WFF this year would've lost to the last ten National Champions by at least 20 points. This past year was the most down year WBB game has seen in years.
 
It is a little hard for me to conceive what the appeal would be for Dawn, other than being the first. In women's college basketball she is coaching royalty, with perhaps the second best program in the country. She could probably stay right near the top for the rest of a very long coaching career. In the NBA long coaching careers are much more difficult, money is more of an issue, you don't develop players as much as you buy them, to potentially then lose them to the highest bidder on their next contract.

In college the coach is more the program, in the pros it is just the on the court issues. In college Dawn is recruiting female players, many of which prefer having a female coach. In Portland she would break barriers of course, but is now recruiting male FA's, and some of those may consider her sex now a disadvantage, vs being a probable advantage in the women's game. In addition some players may view her as someone lacking experience playing or coaching in "their" game. Remember there are many that ridicule women's basketball. Some of those probably wear NBA uniforms now, although most I believe are supportive of the women's game.

My main point is Dawn has a great job now, by almost any definition. If she lists the pros and cons of an NBA coaching job, there are plenty of pros, but the con side has a lot more entries than her current position by far. Still if "making history" is by far the most important factor to her, she could consider it, but it would surprise me if she did.

From a Uconn perspective, if the coach leaves from one of our biggest competitors it obviously helps us, just as Kim leaving for LSU does at least for a couple of years, and if she did imagine the possibility of more SC players in the transfer portal. That would almost open up a new recruiting season for the top programs.
 
Sorry to disappoint but I'll quote Dawn's response printed in today's "State Newspaper"

"No ounce of me wants to coach outside of college".

"Too much work to be done in women's basketball"
 
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Heytherego said:
Yup, thank you. A man acts the same way and people eat it up. Strong women are threatening, especially a strong black woman.
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I believe that blanket statement is grossly misplaced, especially on a WBB forum.
Apologies accepted
 
ucbart said:
Every single game in the FF was ugly-which plays right into her hands.

I said it before and I'll say it again, every team in the WFF this year would've lost to the last ten National Champions by at least 20 points. This past year was the most down year WBB game has seen in years.
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So that logically points that she won’t be a contender for a championship because she likes to play ugly?
 
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SCspur said:
So that logically points that she won’t be a contender for a championship because she likes to play ugly?
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I wouldn’t take too much offense at bart’s comment. For years, Rutgers lived in the top 10 because C Vivian Stringer played a frustrating defense that forced opponents to win ugly. Even in UConn’s best years it would win games 58-52 against Rutgers. Winning ugly was their game plan, a darned effective one.

In the old days, it was physically painful to watch Rutgers play the slow-‘em-down Villanova teams. Scores would be like 42-38.
 
ucbart said:
Every single game in the FF was ugly-which plays right into her hands.

I said it before and I'll say it again, every team in the WFF this year would've lost to the last ten National Champions by at least 20 points. This past year was the most down year WBB game has seen in years.
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The last ten National Champions didn't have to put up with all of the headaches that the athletes went through this year.
 
HuskyNan said:
Where did this ego thing come from? Why is no one here bashing Geno for his ego?
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Geno never blamed a loss on the type of ball his team used. Geno gives the other team credit for being better than his team on any given day when the Huskies lose. Dawn has never lost a game because the other team was better. It was always because her team played poorly.
 
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