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This team has had their spirits broken, and I don't know there is a fix this season. Praying that Azzi coming back (maybe) could help (possibly). Frustrating for everyone I'm sure.
I’m also in LA for another few days and didn’t see the game. But it seems to me a bit of an overreaction to say their spirit is broken because they lost a game and had a few other close ones. Tired maybe, but geez, if their spirit is so easily broken because a few players can‘t finish plays in one game, i don’t know. It’s only basketball.
 
I thought Nika and Lou played exceptional tonight but had no help. Nika was shutting her player down until Nika got screened off then no one would pick her up or did so too late. Nika looked very frustrated thru out the game with our flimsy defense. She also could have had about 13 assists if Dorka and Aaliyah and even Carolyn could catch the ball or make the layup.
Its not that we are tired physically. Its we are not sharp mentally. The desire is lacking.
You watched a different Nika last night than I did... I saw the St. John's players driving by her with regularity and, other than hitting three 3s, her offense was ineffectual.

Much of her touted 'high energy' seems to be directed more often at the officials than her own performance.
 
We just strongly disagree on his motivations, is that too hard for you to understand?

BTW, I didn't hear his exact comments. Did he actually use the words "Bums"? Because I doubt it.
No that was my word but why am I not surprised you called me out without knowing what was said? And personally, I don’t care one iota what his motivations were, I never commented on them and frankly I am certain it was not meant to be mean spirited for the sake of being mean spirited; that doesn’t change my opinion of what he said that same one iota. Those ladies have gone above and beyond all season, for the program, for the coaching staff, for themselves and for their teammates that can’t play. He is a great coach but he is far from infallible.
And to add, I think far less of the “fans” who rip the teams effort; who cherry pick what players to point fingers at and blame when things don’t go according to their ridiculously unfair expectations.
 
If one never played D1 athletics with the responsibility of academics, and add the pressure of playing for a program like UConn, perhaps the concept of the team being both physically and mentally exhausted is beyond comprehension for some.

Expectations of perfection and infallibility with these young adults is unrealistic. That’s how I see it.
Not looking for infallibility, face it, the two players that were supposed to be 30-40 minute players on this team were Nika and Edwards. Every other player was supposed to be a 15-20 minute roll player, including Lou. (Again I go back to UConn traditionally only plays 7 deep) The injuries have forced the roll players to be 30-40 minute players and that's not their day in and day out bailiwick. I agree with the poster that said in all actuality we are a barely a top 10 team. Two of the teams under us beat us remember. I have followed this team before Geno even was the coach there so I think I can speak my mind on this.
 
I beleive you're right--but it wasn't the number of TOs, they were just so untimely... AE lets a soft pass trickle throught her fingers, the 3 on 1 that we had and instead of AE passing to a wide-open Aubrey, she goes up and gets her shot blocked. The TOs were momentum-breakers at key parts of the game.
I asked this question in the Chat but didn't see any reply...if a player has their shot blocked, is it a TO in addition to being a missed shot? (This ? is not directed at tchalla1 specifically.)
 
With all the comments about Azzi coming back and solving the TO problem or scoring problem or whatever problem is happening, IMHO the reality is more complex. As we don’t know the details of her injury, there’s no guarantee of how and what she can contribute. There are probably quite a few of us here that have had knee injuries, and it was daunting without being a D1 athlete. She might be feeling the pressure of not being able to help right now and forcing unrealistic expectations will not help anything.
At this point, sit her for the remainder of the season.
 
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Good thing we have DePaul up next. If we are as "tired" as people are saying, what better team to test our mentally and physically tired players against. Y'all have made some great comments & some interesting comments.
 
Honestly I think at this point everyone, including her teammates & coaches, should forget about Azzi coming back this season. Let her continue her rehab in peace- this business of everyone constantly asking "when is Azzi coming back?" has to be wearing on her too. It is too late in the season for her to make a significant impact- even if she was fully healthy she hasn't played in a long time & there's not enough time left for her to shake off all that rust to be a factor in the BE & NCAA tournaments.
Azzi herself publicly stated that she will be back before March. This was said before Caroline returned to play in the Creighton game. So....
 
I asked this question in the Chat but didn't see any reply...if a player has their shot blocked, is it a TO in addition to being a missed shot? (This ? is not directed at tchalla1 specifically.)
It is considered a shot attempt and not a turnover. But if a player were to attempt to shoot and is rising up to shoot and, on the way, up with the ball the shooter is stripped by the defense then this would be considered a turnover and a steal awarded to the defender.
 
I asked this question in the Chat but didn't see any reply...if a player has their shot blocked, is it a TO in addition to being a missed shot? (This ? is not directed at tchalla1 specifically.)
 
Azzi herself publicly stated that she will be back before March. This was said before Caroline returned to play in the Creighton game. So....
I appreciate Azzi wanting to get back out there.
 
Last night was interesting.

Parity - everyone wanted better competition until it's here. It's here.
St. John's played a better game, and their shots fell.
Then we come here and assign blame.

I'm looking forward to seeing if this team can truly bounce back and make a run in the postseason.
Either way their health is more important.
100% this. The whole parity thing was rolling around in my head post-game last night. Everyone wants parity in the women's game, however when it comes, then sometimes not so much. Gotta wonder if Geno & staff are quietly relieved that some of the streaks are over - back to back losses, league losses, etc. A lot of streaks are not realistic these days, and as the game progresses, we'll probably never see the likes of them again.

Gosh we've been lucky to see this program climb to the top, get back there, stay there. We've been blessed with some amazing players come through. And now? We are experiencing similar to a lot of other fan bases over the last few years, with "dominant" teams that are perennially at the top and come close to winning it all.

Over the next potential 3-11 games, I'm really gonna try to enjoy the ride.
 
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For him, or the players?

"You are what you are.." , basically saying not much we can do about it at this point. Really? Players deserve a bit more from their coach. He was even a nice guy in the handshake line. He looks strangely subdued.
The players are exhausted. No other team plays their starters to whole game. The bench needs more minutes, let them play and this will help them develop. St John's just did it. I blame Geno.
 
St John's is an NIT team.

This UConn team is cooked, just a shell of themselves at this point. Easy to defend. In a funk offensively. Mental mistakes. Turnovers. Stand around as the other team grabs rebounds.

Most, if honest, knew this team is not a top 4 team, barely top 10.

Only Azzi's return will make this team a threat in the post-season and it's looking less likely that will happen.
Even if Azzi returns, she may not find her rhythm for a bunch of games and at that point it might be too late. I think we should just try to enjoy the rest of this season. Looking forward to next season.
 
The rest of the women's basketball world has caught up. While Geno and UConn were dominating the game, others took note and improved their teams. For me, it's all good as I want to watch competitive BB, not 30-point blowouts against over-matched teams. UConn has always stressed body language and in the old days you could see the difference between the Huskies and their opponents. No more. St. Johns players went into that place with confidence, feeling that they would compete. Good coaching and clutch playing. Let's give the other guys some props once in a while.
 
Totally agree what have you got to lose when all your other players are exhausted Geno is very stubborn. Deberry came in for 2 productive minutes never came in again.
Deberry had a couple nice blocks, but then threw up an air ball from 6 feet away. At that point I think Geno was looking for more offense
 
I rewatched the St John and South Carolina games to see if I could see any difference in a game were UConn played a top notch seeded team vs a lower seeded team. I think what I saw was a team with swagger, against South Carolina, and a team with doubt vs St John. Now the question is how does UConn get that swagger back, hopefully Geno can find the answer before the tournaments start.
Dorka and Edwards match up well against SC since they play 2 bigs also. It’s the 4 guard 1 post teams that cause troubles.
 
My humble opinion is that against St. John's, UConn's mid-range game was absent.
UConn seemed to take either inside or outside shots which they struggled to make down the stretch.
That St. John's made some pull up jumpers when they needed to made the difference.
UConn tends to live by the 3 or die by the 3, or it's an inside layup or nothing.
UConn is missing the whole 2nd level of scoring.
UConn has a lot of athleticism but when it comes to shot selection and making a simple pull up jumper, no one accepts that assignment nearly enough.
St. John's proves that a player doesn't need to be an All American to make a pull up jumper or a mid-range shot.
Any unranked player should be able to do it, but UConn seems to be stuck in layup mode.
When they struggle to make enough layups then they're not adjusting to take more mid-range shots.
 
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A comment on UConn's play, and not picking out any particular player. UConn is a poor passing team. You can see it in the stat sheet (TO's), but also by how they miss open cutters to the basket. Frequently some great cuts to the basket go unrewarded. The risk of the TO has something to do with that. But, IMO, passing to a cutter is essential and worth the risk. Our passers are too anchored and the passes they try to make, predictable. BTW, assists have more to do with making shots than pass quality, IMO.
I agree but also the player cutting has to know the proper time to cut. There has to be a timing thing between the passer and cutter. Carolyn used to have it but didnt show it in this game and neither did Aubrey.
This game and a few in the last 3rd of the season the timing was off. The cutter cut too soon or too late, didnt get rid of their defender or didnt have the "eye" of the ball handler.
You can see it when its working. Its a thing of beauty. Lately its been kinda ugly.
 
The same way Caroline missed the rim and Dorka clanked a layup off the backboard without hitting the rim. It happens to everyone!
The difference is two of them have built up equity with the coach and one hasn’t. Some of that may be the coach his own fault for not playing his bench more often but that’s the way he’s been doing it for 30 years.
 
Despite missing the little short jumper, I thought Deberry played well. She isn't the only player to shoot an airball. Someone put a Twitter link of the warmups on here yesterday. Deberry has a beautiful midrange jumper. She couldn't miss. Tells me she needs to relax and get out of her own head.
If she hadn't airballed it from 8', she might have stayed in. She definitely changes the defense, both good and bad.
 
I asked this question in the Chat but didn't see any reply...if a player has their shot blocked, is it a TO in addition to being a missed shot? (This ? is not directed at tchalla1 specifically.)
Good question, Centerstream--my guess is that technically speaking, a TO is a possession when a shot on goal does not occur. Since a blocked shot is considered a shot on goal, I believe technically, it does not count as a TO--but I could be wrong...
 
I haven't posted in post game threads in awhile. I usually give some time to breathe after the game so I'm not a prisoner of the moment. Especially after a loss.

So, before I start, I know we are down two players who are worth a bunch of points and other intangibles that would sway things heavily back to our favor. But the cupboards aren't completely bare that we should be playing this poorly.

I'm noticing some things I haven't seen from a UCONN team in a very long time. Excuses! Starting with coach and it seems to be permeating down to the players. I'm noticing UCONN being out coached. I know that's not a popular things to say in critiquing UCONN but it is so easy to see as of late.

Aliyah and Dorka great season. But as of late Luke warm performances and it's the little thing they seem to have neglected to do that got them the bad ass award early season.

Nika has been a head scratcher for me. I'm her biggest fan. But as of late she hasn't ran the team efficiently and it's costing team flow the last few games. I'm sure she is fatigued, being that she's played most minutes on the team and has started every single game this season. Geno has to find her more rest come tourney time.

This team has over achieved which is crazy because we still have two ALL AMERICAN high school athletes on the bench who can't get any game time.
Last night lossi was
Not mad, just FRUSTRATED.
 
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UConn recruits the kids that usually can handle the pressure. We got lucky on a grad transfer or we could have been a 500 team this year. We may have ( I hope not ) missed on some recruits - Ayanna - Amari and Ines.
They could not really perform when it was next player up. Top 25 players can be hit or miss in the UConn program.
In every program that recruits at the level Connecticut does There are misses you could probably pull up the top 10 teams in the country and look at the recruiting classes and go where did that girl go what happened to that girl where is this one? Many girls don’t reach their potential so it’s not like UConn is any different than most other programs that way. And you can’t count the freshman to be a big part being that they are so green And inexperienced
 
Kim Mulkey has just as short a bench at LSU, she's making it work. Geno needs to step it up and coach this team.
Mulkey wouldn't be doing any better with the current situation we have, neither would Dawn, Pat, Tara, or anyone else.
 
Dorka and Edwards match up well against SC since they play 2 bigs also. It’s the 4 guard 1 post teams that cause troubles.
Agree. AE and Dorka seem to struggle with reacting to the double and triple team. Even though SC has great post, they were 1 on 1, which I think was easier for them to handle.
 
Agree. AE and Dorka seem to struggle with reacting to the double and triple team. Even though SC has great post, they were 1 on 1, which I think was easier for them to handle.
Losing Azzi hurt. Since then you have 1 shooter on Lou and every team focusses on her. If Caroline gets back in rhythm it will help.
 
If she hadn't airballed it from 8', she might have stayed in. She definitely changes the defense, both good and bad.
People short arm point blank layups. It happens. I didn't think she got yanked because of the missed shot. She was put in to give Dorka a rest.
 
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