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St. John's Post Game Thread

gsmooth said:
As I have said for a few weeks, and others have recently, this team reminds me of the 2006 team. Their styles are not similar, but they are similar in that they both had high expectations throughout the year and we're ranked in the top 5 throughout the year, only to struggle down the stretch. If anyone remembers that 2006 team seemed to peak when they got their revenge and defeated Villanova and then after that every game was a struggle, including against #16 seeded Albany.
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I was at the open practice in Worcester that year. All the other teams went through drills and took the practice seriously. Not UConn. They were disorganized, joking around, and coaches barely did anything. I said to the people I was with that I didn't have a good feeling for how the weekend would go. Unfortunately, I was correct.

I would hope that this team, especially with how the last few weeks of the season went, will take every practice and opponent seriously. Maybe Rudy can talk to them about the 2006 experience.
 
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KingAG said:
I’m not nearly as worried as some here.

Nothing that happened last night was all that unpredictable.

I figured one of us would get smacked. It’s how the games against SJ have gone all year.

No one else has also come close to making us look like that.

In 2014 Louisville pasted us the final game of the season.

The tournament is a different animal all together. OOC is a different animal. One we’ve shown to be dominant in.

Hurley didn’t forget how to coach or recruit because we lost to SJ. The same way Pitino didn’t forget how to coach and recruit when we beat them by 30.

News Flash but SJ has probably been a top 8 team the last 20 games. That loss is nothing to hang your head on. Conference tourney results aren’t necessarily an indicator on NCCA tourney results.

Regroup against whatever 16 seed and 7/10 seed we’ll face. I have no doubt we’ll be in the sweet 16. And at that point we’ll all be back on the wagon.
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Henry said:
I was at the open practice in Worcester that year. All the other teams went through drills and took the practice seriously. Not UConn. They were disorganized, joking around, and coaches barely did anything. I said to the people I was with that I didn't have a good feeling for how the weekend would go. Unfortunately, I was correct.

I would hope that this team, especially with how the last few weeks of the season went, will take every practice and opponent seriously. Maybe Rudy can talk to them about the 2006 experience.
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Different team.
 
KingAG said:
I’m not nearly as worried as some here.

Nothing that happened last night was all that unpredictable.

I figured one of us would get smacked. It’s how the games against SJ have gone all year.

No one else has also come close to making us look like that.

In 2014 Louisville pasted us the final game of the season.

The tournament is a different animal all together. OOC is a different animal. One we’ve shown to be dominant in.

Hurley didn’t forget how to coach or recruit because we lost to SJ. The same way Pitino didn’t forget how to coach and recruit when we beat them by 30.

News Flash but SJ has probably been a top 8 team the last 20 games. That loss is nothing to hang your head on. Conference tourney results aren’t necessarily an indicator on NCCA tourney results.

Regroup against whatever 16 seed and 7/10 seed we’ll face. I have no doubt we’ll be in the sweet 16. And at that point we’ll all be back on the wagon.
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Good post. I also think the advantage we have is in the 2nd round facing a team who has 36 hours of prep to get ready to face our offense and all the actions we run. This may seem like a weird comparison, but go back to when Cuse would struggle during conference play, but then get in the tournament and be a tough out. Teams having a day of prep for a unique 2-3 zone really struggled.
 
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Henry said:
I was at the open practice in Worcester that year. All the other teams went through drills and took the practice seriously. Not UConn. They were disorganized, joking around, and coaches barely did anything. I said to the people I was with that I didn't have a good feeling for how the weekend would go. Unfortunately, I was correct.

I would hope that this team, especially with how the last few weeks of the season went, will take every practice and opponent seriously. Maybe Rudy can talk to them about the 2006 experience.
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I think you're thinking about the 2005 team that played the first weekend in Worcester. The 2006 team started in Philadelphia and then played in Washington DC.
 
Now that we’ve had more time to process yesterday’s loss, I’m trying to “reframe” things. While I still lean toward this being a disappointing season, maybe I should be more appreciative.

If AK, Solo, Stew, and Ross never became what we expected, if Silas, Malachi, and Braylon didn’t adjust as quickly as others in the past (e.g., Cam), maybe we should be impressed that this team managed to overcome their weaknesses so many times. They played well in the early OOC games, struggled to win in a weak BE, and somehow managed 30 victories. So, “well done” maybe?
 
BFieldHusky said:
Good post. I also think the advantage we have is in the 2nd round facing a team who has 36 hours of prep to get ready to face our offense and all the actions we run.
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I don’t blame the tone here. Last night sucked. But I think in a weeks time the tone here will be a lot different.
 
Matias said:
We've known this for how long this season yet they still have not been able to draw and execute sets that consistently create open looks or even train the shooters to develop routines to create shots for themselves.
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You don't think we're getting open looks consistently in our offense?
 
KingAG said:
I’m not nearly as worried as some here.

Nothing that happened last night was all that unpredictable.

I figured one of us would get smacked. It’s how the games against SJ have gone all year.

No one else has also come close to making us look like that.

In 2014 Louisville pasted us the final game of the season.

The tournament is a different animal all together. OOC is a different animal. One we’ve shown to be dominant in.

Hurley didn’t forget how to coach or recruit because we lost to SJ. The same way Pitino didn’t forget how to coach and recruit when we beat them by 30.

News Flash but SJ has probably been a top 8 team the last 20 games. That loss is nothing to hang your head on. Conference tourney results aren’t necessarily an indicator on NCCA tourney results.

Regroup against whatever 16 seed and 7/10 seed we’ll face. I have no doubt we’ll be in the sweet 16. And at that point we’ll all be back on the wagon.
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If it was one throw away game and we were beating other good teams it would be one thing but we play in a bad Big East this season and we haven't played consistently good basketball in over two months...

We won a lot of too close games against weak teams over those two+ months and our last 11 games we played one ranked team three times and we're 1-2 against them and we have two other losses to bad teams, one of which was a loss with the Big East regular season on the line against a 12-20 Marquette team. It's been a really bad close to the season and we're playing our worst ball at the wrong time of the season.
 
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HW611 said:
I’m honestly not sure what he expects when he plays with a first team all big east player at a position that’s a zero sum game.

Clingan was a much better player and understood he had to wait his turn.
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If there is a rift, I don’t get it. He’s gotten 15 minutes a game. Hurley could not possibly have led him to believe he’d be getting appreciably more than that this season with Reed here when they were recruiting him.
 
superjohn said:
If it was one throw away game and we were beating other good teams it would be one thing but we play in a bad Big East this season and we haven't played consistently good basketball in over two months...

We won a lot of too close games against weak teams over those two+ months and our last 11 games we played one ranked team three times and we're 1-2 against them and we have two other losses to bad teams, one of which was a loss with the Big East regular season on the line against a 12-20 Marquette team. It's been a really bad close to the season and we're playing our worst ball at the wrong time of the season.
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I don’t disagree. But I like to look at why we’ve been losing and if the teams we’ll play the first 3 rds can actually replicate that. I also think when the losses have come are tinting reality a little bit. This team hasn’t lost much this year. And hasn’t looked overmatched except against one team. Hurley teams always look worse in conference. So I don’t think they’re as bad as they have looked at times.

I agree that the floor is definitely there with this team. I’m just not necessarily worried before the sweet 16/elite 8. I think they’ll play looser OOC. I could be wrong.
 
It is all about matchups. A few years ago and I am too lazy to research it, Louisville was a terrible in season matchup. Fortunately , we did not see them in the postseason and won the Natty. With the right matchups, we could get to the Elite 8. That year might have been 2014 where we beat all top notch teams starting as a 7.

We will soon find out what our bracket holds in store.
 
superjohn said:
If it was one throw away game and we were beating other good teams it would be one thing but we play in a bad Big East this season and we haven't played consistently good basketball in over two months...

We won a lot of too close games against weak teams over those two+ months and our last 11 games we played one ranked team three times and we're 1-2 against them and we have two other losses to bad teams, one of which was a loss with the Big East regular season on the line against a 12-20 Marquette team. It's been a really bad close to the season and we're playing our worst ball at the wrong time of the season.
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I agree with you. I said much of it when we got smacked by Creighton.

I tend to also agree with AG that this failure to hang with St John’s isn’t an obvious indication that we’ll get run this week.
 
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