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St. John's Post Game Thread

So remind me where we are now:

1) Hurley sucks and was outcoached by the Crypt Keeper;
2) Our players are trash and evidence we can't recruit
3) The team's record was a mirage
4) Karaban is over-rated

Have I got this right? Someone tell me if I've got this right.

LOL
Sounds a lot like the Red.Fans forum after their loss to Providence. Check it out if you'd like. Providence (MSG), Sat., Jan. 3, 12 Noon, FOX / 880 AM

"The season's over."
"I'm done...not watching anymore games this season."
"The roster is bad." (The very same players Red Storm fans are now singing praises of were "trash" a few weeks ago.)

Sports fans can be so fair weather and fickle.

Why not just stick by your guys? You have to play the cards you have and work your way through the season with its ups, downs, and challenges.
 
The kid needed to break free of the tough defensive blanket that St. John’s put on him. Can’t find him if he can’t get free of the defender.
I may be isolated in this opinion but I don't think Mullins is as clear cut a case of 'One and Done' as a lot of people may believe. He strikes me as a kid that could use a second year if for no other reason than to get stronger and prove he can play through aggressive point of attack man defense. That is the stuff that gets you paid in the NBA.
 
I may be isolated in this opinion but I don't think Mullins is as clear cut a case of 'One and Done' as a lot of people may believe. He strikes me as a kid that could use a second year if for no other reason than to get stronger and prove he can play through aggressive point of attack man defense. That is the stuff that gets you paid in the NBA.
But the money is going to be to hard to pass up. Its not like UConn has a lot of NIL money to throw at him. He is definitely a 1st rounder.
 
I don't really buy that St Johns has "improved" since the beginning of the season, they're just built to dominate the Big East with their roster construction. I posted on here when they were struggling in the non conf portion of the schedule that they would still clean up once conference play started. They did the same thing last year, they just played less tough non conf games.
They've improved significantly IMO. Keep in mind, they only returned a single starter from last year (Zuby) it's a team full of transfers. Chemistry takes a while. Keep in mind, they also played Michigan in an exhibition game before the season and only lost by 2...in OT.
 
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The whining about the refs and free throw attempts is a little sad, guys. UConn shot 42% from the line. Also, FT attempts vs actual fouls is a big difference. 23 fouls vs 15. Of course SJU is going to have more foul shot attempts when a team is losing at the end and has to foul to try to get back in the game and the other team is in the bonus.

Also, SJU is built on athleticism, not great shooters. They score most of their points in the paint. All of their top scorers are trying to get to the rim. They go to the line more than any other team in the Big East if I'm not mistaken. That's not the refs fault. It's their style of play.

I think people are forgetting they had the #1 ranked transfer portal and were pre-season ranked #5 in the country overall. (Although I'd argue that pre-season rankings are kind of useless at this point)
 
Without Demary on the floor tonight, it might have been a 20 point loss. We all see the mistakes and things that he could do to improve but this kid has become a big time gamer.
You realize he had 9 turnovers, right? That's 60% of the entire team's turnovers, from 1 player. For 18 points. Zuby only had 3, with 7 assists.
 
Pitino has his players turn the thugball setting up to 11 and it makes every one of these games competitive, especially with Big East refs
Danny referred to the front line of AS's as having some big axx men. Maybe we should consider one or two in the portal this year. Take a look at most of the Big East teams. We are very tall and mostly quite thin.
 
The kid needed to break free of the tough defensive blanket that St. John’s put on him. Can’t find him if he can’t get free of the defender.
Yeah his lack of strength really showed in this game especially when guard Mitchell but it was easy to see he had a tough time getting away from St. John's defenders who are stronger than him.
 
I may be isolated in this opinion but I don't think Mullins is as clear cut a case of 'One and Done' as a lot of people may believe. He strikes me as a kid that could use a second year if for no other reason than to get stronger and prove he can play through aggressive point of attack man defense. That is the stuff that gets you paid in the NBA.
He will be defended at the next level just like he was defended last night by St Johns. But he still goes and he will get stronger over the summer. It will have to be a focus of any team that drafts him.
 
The doom and gloom is wild.

Yeah we made mistakes in a hostile environment against a very good and physical team.

We also got hosed by the officials and got out shot at the FT line by 20 and still had a chance to win.

We have lost 2 games. One of those by 4 to the #1 team in the country without Reed and Mullins.

The offense seems to be fixed mostly, which is what everyone was worried about.

The one thing we really need to fix is the lineup rotations. Hurley has a bad habit of sticking Smith/Stewart/Reibe on the floor all at once which just can’t happen. They went on a 16-1 run with those 3 on the floor in he first half.
I've mentioned the same thing a number of times this season. Hurley needs to bring in the bench one or max two players at a time with three to four starters on the floor. This wholesale line change has not worked out well at all. And this was a game where that was not going to work under any circumstances.

Smith is now getting the Ross treatment on the Yard. He's had a few solid games, and one recently against PC. He's capable, and I think would have better results if he came in the game for a 2 or so minute stretch with 3 to 4 scorers on the floor. He does dribble too much and needs to distribute the ball sooner. He too often misses that first open teammate. I hope he can learn and develop since he has some offense game and is pesty enough on the other end of the floor where he usually holds his own. He needs to get better, but Hurley needs to put him in situations where he can be successful.

The starters having to play long stretches against SJ's relentless physical play wore our starters down. Spotting them between whistles for a couple minutes might have helped, but all in all, they underperformed in so many areas (FTs, TOs, RBs, etc.) that were too much to overcome.
 
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I miss the days where Oop-ing to our big would get us 10 points a game easy. Every drive to the lane you thought it may be an alley oop to a big. Now it's virtually never.

I think about this a lot. Silas deserved at least one year with Samson.
 
SJU outscored UConn 13-1 during the 4 minutes that Malachi Smith played. Demary can't play 40 minutes and be effective late. We need someone to give him a rest.
I'm rewatching the game now and very little was Malachi's fault during his first stint on the floor.

The first possession with him on the floor was a nice setup to Solo Ball who missed an open three.

The second trip on the floor was leading some solid offense where Karaban missed an open three from the top of the key.

The third possession, they set up Reed in the paint who made a nice move and missed a bank shot that he should have converted, but was sent to the line where he made just one of two.

The fourth position he made a nice drive through the paint and missed a layup that he should have converted. I realize that he has often done a nice job of getting to the basket where his layups have been erased before the ball even hits the backboard, but that wasn't the case this time. That did happen to him during the latter part of the game.

During the next possession, UConn had a nice defensive stop, but then Reed took forever to throw the outlet pass which he almost air mailed over Smith's head. He did a great job of catching and keeping it inbounds. He did get it knocked out from behind as he was about to drive the ball into the paint. I noticed Hurley was jumping up and down and yelling for them to push the ball up court. Maybe it would have been better for Smith to slow the game down and gather the team, but that's not what Hurley was asking.

Malachi, then prevented a sure layup resulting in a 2 shot foul.

If his teammates had done their jobs and if he had made his layup (it wasn't like any of his teammates were getting themselves to the basket as easily as he did) no one would be talking about him being unplayable. He actually did his part, but when you're a bench player where there are just a handful of trips up and down the floor, when things don't go right it just seems to look worse than it was. How many times have we seen some of our more reliable players or starters start a game off missing their first four to five shots but end up with the solid stat line in the end and we don't seem to make a big deal about any of their bad stretches on the floor.

When will the Boneyard spend more time rooting for all our players instead of wanting them benched for some other reserve player that would likely do worse, or wish they had not been recruited at all.

I realize the bench has struggled a lot, and they need to get more out of them on a consistent basis. One thing that might help is putting one or two at most bench players in the game with at least 3 to 4 starters instead of what looks like a wholesale line change. Too often Malachi is on the floor with not enough playmakers to support him. With that said, whoever's on the floor including Malachi need to execute, something that hasn't happened enough lately.
 
Ball can be too sticky with Malachi. It is what it is. He's our backup point guard and not responsible for what happened last night.

We do some fundamentally dumb stuff. The turnover rate is an issue. Fouls are a huge issue - forget complaining about the refs. We've taken 100 fewer free throws this year than our opponents which I am guessing in an outlier among top ten teams. (I have not checked.) It's not that the refs hate us, it's that we foul way, way too much. If you think the teams were playing are not being called often enough, I promise you that we're committing more than we're called for as well.

I'd like to see Hurley split up the AK-Ball-Braylon trio more often. Throw Ball into the mix with Malachi, etc., while Stewart gets a little more time with AK and Braylon.
 
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Watching the game again, there was a stretch in the first half from the 7:21 (Pitino called a timely TO) - 3:08 mark where UConn could have blown the game open. They executed well on a few of the possessions but ended up turning the ball over (Reed & Stewart) or missing an off balanced shot (Reed), there were other empty trips, finally ending with that horrible strip on Silas that resulted in a layup.

I couldn't help wonder why Hurley didn't call a time out sometime within that stretch of the game, to give them some needed rest and draw up an offensive set since they were showing signs of the wheels starting to fall off.

Patino was masterful with how he used his timeouts. Hurley, not so much. There were so many things that UConn did poorly throughout the game (missing free throws, turning the ball over, giving up too many second chance opportunities, etc.) where the accumulation of all those things were too much to overcome. There's so much about that game that they are capable of cleaning up and turn the tables on St John's when they meet up again at the end of the month.
 
Watching the game again, there was a stretch in the first half from the 7:21 (Pitino called a timely TO) - 3:08 mark where UConn could have blown the game open. They executed well on a few of the possessions but ended up turning the ball over (Reed & Stewart) or missing an off balanced shot (Reed), there were other empty trips, finally ending with that horrible strip on Silas that resulted in a layup.

I couldn't help wonder why Hurley didn't call a time out sometime within that stretch of the game, to give them some needed rest and draw up an offensive set since they were showing signs of the wheels starting to fall off.

Patino was masterful with how he used his timeouts. Hurley, not so much. There were so many things that UConn did poorly throughout the game (missing free throws, turning the ball over, giving up too many second chance opportunities, etc.) where the accumulation of all those things were too much to overcome. There's so much about that game that they are capable of cleaning up and turn the tables on St John's when they meet up again at the end of the month.

Hurley is such a creature of habit that it winds up being a negative at times. Your point about when to use the first half timeout was spot on. Dan usually uses it under 2 minutes. He loves his mass substitutions and struggles to mix in subs with the starters. I like Reibe withe the other starters but he had those 2 early first half fouls and we had way more Tarris who was not playing well.
 
Hurley is such a creature of habit that it winds up being a negative at times. Your point about when to use the first half timeout was spot on. Dan usually uses it under 2 minutes. He loves his mass substitutions and struggles to mix in subs with the starters. I like Reibe withe the other starters but he had those 2 early first half fouls and we had way more Tarris who was not playing well.
Creature of habit, superstition and emotions.

Only non negative nets last night were Tarris, Silas and Ross. Probably could have used more Ross last night.

Smith was a -12 in very limited minutes.
 
They've improved significantly IMO. Keep in mind, they only returned a single starter from last year (Zuby) it's a team full of transfers. Chemistry takes a while. Keep in mind, they also played Michigan in an exhibition game before the season and only lost by 2...in OT.
Michigan lost to Cincinnati in an exhibition, they mean nothing
 
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Please stop. We had ONE turnover inbounding the ball. Did you watch the game?
Might already been posted, but we had two inbounding turnovers, and I think they were both by Demary. One was on our defensive end of the court and the other was on the offensive end of the court, both from the baseline.
 
How can Mullins go off. He starts hot and somehow nobody looks for him when he’s hot. 3-3 in the first half. We should have gotten him more shots. Our own team shuts him down more than the opponents.

And he has to get more aggressive. The little fade in the lane over Ejifor was beautiful. Why doesn’t he do that more. I think as a freshman, he is too concerned with fitting in.
SJU did a very good job of not allowing Mullins get open. He was blanketed heavily after his hot start. Granted there was some grabbing going on, but I think Hurley can run more high screens between him, ball or Karavan. They did it once. I can't remember which of those three knocked down the 3 ptr. St John's has a lot of size on the perimeter and often switched on those players. But there were a few times where their switching didn't go smoothly and one of them got open. Mullins doesn't need a lot of room to get that three off, so I think they would benefit from practicing some simple two-player isolation to give him a little room to get more threes off. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my thought.
 
How can Mullins go off. He starts hot and somehow nobody looks for him when he’s hot. 3-3 in the first half. We should have gotten him more shots. Our own team shuts him down more than the opponents.

And he has to get more aggressive. The little fade in the lane over Ejifor was beautiful. Why doesn’t he do that more. I think as a freshman, he is too concerned with fitting in.

This is part of why I think they need to have some rotations where he and Solo are not on the floor together. Get another bigger body out there with them.
 
I really don’t believe in player +\- as with Malachi three players missed shots he would have also had assists on. And who scored fo St. Johns when Smith was in?

Until they furthers the analysis for that stat everyone is collateral damage to one bad play.
 
... forget complaining about the refs. We've taken 100 fewer free throws this year than our opponents which I am guessing in an outlier among top ten teams. (I have not checked.) It's not that the refs hate us, it's that we foul way, way too much. If you think the teams were playing are not being called often enough, I promise you that we're committing more than we're called for as well.
Wait, the refs are not the problem? Yet they miss calling all the many extra fouls we commit. OK that makes sense.
 
I think everyone is rooting for Solo, he is a good kid, but we have to face facts....All he has shown he can do is shoot the 3. Not a good ball handler, not a great passer, bad rebounder, struggles to defend, and refuses to put the ball on the deck and attack the rim. He's an average player right now and plays poorly in big games. He needs to get tougher and play tougher.
He's hit some nice midrange shots this season and has also executed some nice entry passes. His block was big time. He's more versatile than he's given credit for. Though time and room to grow.
 
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