St. John's Post Game Thread

[superjohn]

Agreed with the rest but Luis will be gone. Maybe Repole opens the checkbook and he reconsiders but Pitino has been openly talking about him leaving after the season all year

I haven't seen Luis on any mock drafts, he's got to develop a three point shot if he wants to play in the NBA.

 

[UCfor3]

I gotta give Pitino credit. All the years we'd roll into the Garden and dominate, I'd think "How does a St John's coach not take advantage of playing in this arena?", "How can we roll in here, fill the place and laugh the entire Metro North ride home?"

The cockroach that he is, he clawed his way back, took the opportunity and is positioned to have a run where that building is rocking. And I'm gonna say something I don't ever say. I don't want to see them in the BET. I don't think we can beat them this season the way things have unfolded.

Ironic that he didn't even want to play this game at MSG.

 

[djct1999]

That’s funny, I turned to my brother and said “This is the worst lineup we’ve put out in forever…”

It was really bad.

 

[Boost'ED]

Johnnies are the best team by far in the conference this season, they're a top 10 team nationally and Pitino is just getting started there despite his age. Luis, Ejiofor, and Wilcher will be back next season as his core and he'll bring in top transfers again that fit what he wants to do.

Pitino has adapted his play style to his talent level; gritty half court defense, more emphasis on the mid range, and a smaller rotation.

Considering his history has been pressing, playing 8-10 players, and more 3-point shooting; he's done a great job this season.


As some have noted before, I believe our coaching staff will learn greatly from this season and adapt accordingly.

If any coaching staff has earned a mulligan season, Hurley and staff (though I don't like it), get a pass IMO.

 

[jostar1]

Aaron Torres with some frank talk:

 

[GoConn]

St Johns is better than us, by a lot.

 

[Glastonhusky]

St Johns is better than us, by a lot.

Their strength (guard play) is our weakness. I'm sure the staff will fix it, but nothing we can do about it until next season.

 

[karstenkibbe]

This season is probably the first time since 2nd or 3rd grade he is playing with doubt about what he is supposed to be doing. He is absolutely thinking instead of just doing. He's vapor locked.

I believe there is something more worrisome going on than a half-season slump. This is now about a dozen+-game stretch where AK exhibits butterfingers receiving passes, holding onto rebounds and getting stripped on drives. More concerning is the fact that he frequently gets lost on defense, particularly on switches. And of course a 3pt shot that has mostly disappeared. I’m not a neurologist, nor do attempt to play one on the ‘yard… but I really wonder whether that concussion earlier in the season has had lasting effects.

 

[uconngb]

7 turnovers in the first 7ish minutes of the game… Just not enough dynamic guard play on this team & they really lack the physicality to play with a team like that when St Johns is humming like they were today. Gotta lock in and avoid the landmines coming up on the schedule. We know big changes are coming in the offseason, staff sees it, they aren’t dumb. They whiffed on their evaluations. Really shows how hard it is to be consistently good, year in/year out.

Well said

 

[Hoophound]

All you need to do to see how outmatched we were is watch every rebound in the game. SJU soared over us time and time again grabbing boards and making putbacks or gaining extra possessions. Their offensive rebounding was spectacular. I have no idea what the actual stats were but they got every important rebound. Every damn one. We were so outclassed athletically.

 

[3rdbass]

All you need to do to see how outmatched we were is watch every rebound in the game. SJU soared over us time and time again grabbing boards and making putbacks or gaining extra possessions. Their offensive rebounding was spectacular. I have no idea what the actual stats were but they got every important rebound. Every damn one. We were so outclassed athletically.

We outrebounded them 39-36. LOL!

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

All you need to do to see how outmatched we were is watch every rebound in the game. SJU soared over us time and time again grabbing boards and making putbacks or gaining extra possessions. Their offensive rebounding was spectacular. I have no idea what the actual stats were but they got every important rebound. Every damn one. We were so outclassed athletically.

We outrebounded them.

Granted, they shot better so there were less offensive rebounds to be had.

 

[Kolumbo]

We had many posts in the past saying that SJU, Georgetown, etc needed to return to form for the good of the Big East. That's the silver lining I'm taking from this. Good for the Big East.

Otherwise, I'll admit, I'm not wasting much time reading about what happened today. The first 7 minutes of the 2nd half was fun. Onto Georgetown.

 

[F101Voodoo]

Well some of us are repeating our comments. Medically I am barred from drinking alcohol so time to drown my sorrows about the game in some mindless movie and call it a night. Take care all!

 

[TRest]

We had many posts in the past saying that SJU, Georgetown, etc needed to return to form for the good of the Big East. That's the silver lining I'm taking from this. Good for the Big East.

Otherwise, I'll admit, I'm not wasting much time reading about what happened today. The first 7 minutes of the 2nd half was fun. Onto Georgetown.

The irony really is that for most of BE history the Johnies haven’t been very good.

 

[gtcam]

I don’t think there is any fixing this team this year and if we make the tourney…..if then a win is possible but not assured. Anyone who even mentions 3 Peat again on this board needs to be committed to an insane asylum.

even if UConn wins the Gold Cup title?

 

[Kolumbo]

The irony really is that for most of BE history the Johnies haven’t been very good.

I disagree. The Johnies were excellent under Louis Carnesecca. They were revived under Mike Jarvis. Then things went sideways. They suffered after Jarvis left but the program and were average to poor. Conference realignment affected all Big East programs no matter where they ended up.

 

[Zonepress]

I haven't seen Luis on any mock drafts, he's got to develop a three point shot if he wants to play in the NBA.

Agreed but a very good “college” player

 

[Scoe]

Why is it saying Samson Johnson when I abbreviate Saint John’s lol. Just like it’s Dan Hurley when your abbreviating Designated Hitter. So I’ll abbreviate the 2 just to test it out.

Samson Johnson, DH

 

[TRest]

I disagree. The Johnies were excellent under Louis Carnesecca. They were revived under Mike Jarvis. Then things went sideways. They suffered after Jarvis left but the program and were average to poor. Conference realignment affected all Big East programs no matter where they ended up.

One final four, maybe two BE championships total?

 

[Pmac923]

I gotta give Pitino credit. All the years we'd roll into the Garden and dominate, I'd think "How does a St John's coach not take advantage of playing in this arena?", "How can we roll in here, fill the place and laugh the entire Metro North ride home?"

The cockroach that he is, he clawed his way back, took the opportunity and is positioned to have a run where that building is rocking. And I'm gonna say something I don't ever say. I don't want to see them in the BET. I don't think we can beat them this season the way things have unfolded.

Loser mentality. I want to play them tomorrow. Stop with the lazy turnovers, and fumbling the ball. Stop smacking people on rebounds. Get out run and make open shots. Tall task but I absolutely want to play them

 

[Hoophound]

We outrebounded them 39-36. LOL!

We outrebounded them.

Granted, they shot better so there were less offensive rebounds to be had.

I was aware that we may have outrebounded them. That’s why I said I didn’t know the stats and said they got the important rebounds. They did. Whenever they missed and we were poised to grab a board and close the gap, they got it. They didn’t give up virtually any key boards. They were fighting and whenever we had a slight bit of momentum their intensity on the boards and on defense went way up. When it mattered, they were tougher.

Diarra was probably our leading rebounder or close to it. Those weren’t rebounds in the trenches. They were killing us right under the rim. Their offensive rebounding was very fruitful. We got junk offensive boards when missing 3 bunnies in a row.

They also turned us over a lot when we got key defensive rebounds. We just gave the ball right back without taking a shot.

 

[Jumpman62114]

St Johns roster construction is better than UConn’s this season, and is built to exploit our weakness. Our margin for error is slim against a team like st johns this year. Not many levers too pull until the offseason tbh. We can still beat good teams with big shooting performances, but those dont happen consistently. Anyone surprised by today’s outcome hasn’t been watching.

 

[superjohn]

One final four, maybe two BE championships total?

Carnesecca won 5 Big East regular season titles, 2 Big East tournaments and was 526-200 overall at St. John's. He was 294-115 overall while coaching St. John's in the Big East and 127-69 in Big East play. That was back when the Big East was the premier conference in the country. He didn't have a ton of NCAA tournament success but he goes all the way back to the NIT days and had success before the NCAA tournament became the thing. He was excellent at St. John's.

 

[Hoophound]

Carnesecca won 5 Big East regular season titles, 2 Big East tournaments and was 526-200 overall at St. John's. He was 294-115 overall while coaching St. John's in the Big East and 127-69 in Big East play. That was back when the Big East was the premier conference in the country. He didn't have a ton of NCAA tournament success but he goes all the way back to the NIT days and had success before the NCAA tournament became the thing.

He had dominating teams. I think his lack of success in the tourney was probably more dumb luck than anything else. However, my impression of his teams when I was a kid was that with the exception of Chris Mullin and Malik Sealy, he lacked shooters. They’ve always been a fighting program rather than a finesse one.