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St. John's Post Game Thread

I gotta give Pitino credit. All the years we'd roll into the Garden and dominate, I'd think "How does a St John's coach not take advantage of playing in this arena?", "How can we roll in here, fill the place and laugh the entire Metro North ride home?"

The cockroach that he is, he clawed his way back, took the opportunity and is positioned to have a run where that building is rocking. And I'm gonna say something I don't ever say. I don't want to see them in the BET. I don't think we can beat them this season the way things have unfolded.
 
Deepster said:
I gotta give Pitino credit. All the years we'd roll into the Garden and dominate, I'd think "How does a St John's coach not take advantage of playing in this arena?", "How can we roll in here, fill the place and laugh the entire Metro North ride home?"

The cockroach that he is, he clawed his way back, took the opportunity and is positioned to have a run where that building is rocking. And I'm gonna say something I don't ever say. I don't want to see them in the BET. I don't think we can beat them this season the way things have unfolded.
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It was 75/25 Johnnie’s in the building today.

And they shoved our beers right into our faces.
 
It's amazing that people keep posting that Samson is the problem and Nowell is the solution.

What on Earth are they watching? Samson is what he always has been. Pretty much the same as what he was on two NCs. Nowell has an average handle and is a defensive liability. Playing Samson less will not help. Playing Nowell more will not help.

What will help is better chemistry and communication on both the offensive and defensive ends. And knocking down some shots. Going 1-10 from three when the other team is unconscious from the field is difficult to overcome. But it would actually help.
 
The 3 point shooting in the game was 26% for us and 42% for them.
 
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Kinda crazy to build a team around taking contested 20 footers.
 
UCan3 said:
We got beat by a better team.

I would not have been so upset w/ our play if this was the 1st time we played St. John’s but it wasn’t.

They faceguard almost every player, press for better part of the game, are allowed to set moving picks with grabs w/ no fouls called??? and rebound like crazy.

We didn't adjust.

Watching Karaban get caught behind pick and be 2 steps behind on defese allowing made shot after made shot, seeing Ball 2 ft away from where he should be on D only to fall for jump fakes and to see the lack of effort on the boards was almost too much to watch today.

For those old time fans, we harken back to the UConn teams that were unranked, had less fanfare, no one going to NBA but fought "tooth and nail" to not get steam rolled like we did today.

Give me a Dan Cyrulik, a Rod Sellers, someone who is like "not today and not on my watch."

I would have been dispppointed w / a loss not matter what but waching our get manhandled by the Johnnies game me the chills....

Bring back JC to the practices if he's not there already. He would have not allowed the players on the floor to stay on the floor with some of the sleepwalking we saw today.


On a complete sidenote, first time I saw ever saw an offensive player take a hard foul on the elbow, then on the FACE, have one announcer say he was clobbered,.,,,

Only to have the other announcer circle back to say it was a "good no call."

I guess there's a first for everything... Where do they find these guys?
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This team desperately could use a Lyman DePriest and a Ricky Moore and a Kevin Freeman.
 
superjohn said:
Hurley screwed up royally with roster construction. He thought a slight kid from St. Mary's who can't play point guard was going to be our starting point guard. He thought a spot up shooter (AK) was going to be our do everything leader. He thought Ross would show he's an NBA player. He never addressed not having guys who can take people off the dribble. He started the wrong center all season. We don't have the ballhandlers/creators and the team is physically weak outside of Reed.

I'm excited about our recruiting class but I'm not seeing the strength/athleticism in them. Braylon has the athleticism and quick twitch but he's pretty slight. Question marks with the other guys.

Coach needs to stop doing interviews/writing books and needs to figure this out. We were physically manhandled and Pitino ate his lunch. Pitino is just getting started there despite his age.

St. John's has an identity and they never go away from it. You can hang with them if they shoot terribly but this was a physical mismatch. We are a team with no identity this season.

Props to Pitino and St. John's, they're really friggin' good and a fun team to watch.
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Johnnie’s haven’t sniffed being good in 25 years since Jarvis -artest days. We re coming off back to backs. They are having a good 2 month period. Bound to happen. Chill. Just one of dem years. They ll run into a team in second round or 16 that gets hot from three and will bounce them. They can’t shoot - even tho they shot well today
 
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JB75 said:
Johnnie’s haven’t sniffed being good in 25 years since Jarvis -artest days. We re coming off back to backs. They are having a good 2 month period. Bound to happen. Chill. Just one of dem years. They ll run into a team in second round or 16 that gets hot from three and will bounce them. They can’t shoot - even tho they shot well today
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Johnnies are the best team by far in the conference this season, they're a top 10 team nationally and Pitino is just getting started there despite his age. Luis, Ejiofor, and Wilcher will be back next season as his core and he'll bring in top transfers again that fit what he wants to do.
 
UCFan1513 said:
I would root like HELL for St John’s. I think they could bully their way into a win. Duke hasn’t seen pressure like that since Auburn months ago
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Also St Johns can shoot 3s maybe not at a high clip but they also don't rely on 3s. Bully teams have done just fine in the tournament SDSU and Houston.
 
superjohn said:
Johnnies are the best team by far in the conference this season, they're a top 10 team nationally and Pitino is just getting started there despite his age. Luis, Ejiofor, and Wilcher will be back next season as his core and he'll bring in top transfers again that fit what he wants to do.
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Agreed with the rest but Luis will be gone. Maybe Repole opens the checkbook and he reconsiders but Pitino has been openly talking about him leaving after the season all year
 
navery12 said:
Agreed with the rest but Luis will be gone. Maybe Repole opens the checkbook and he reconsiders but Pitino has been openly talking about him leaving after the season all year
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I haven't seen Luis on any mock drafts, he's got to develop a three point shot if he wants to play in the NBA.
 
Deepster said:
I gotta give Pitino credit. All the years we'd roll into the Garden and dominate, I'd think "How does a St John's coach not take advantage of playing in this arena?", "How can we roll in here, fill the place and laugh the entire Metro North ride home?"

The cockroach that he is, he clawed his way back, took the opportunity and is positioned to have a run where that building is rocking. And I'm gonna say something I don't ever say. I don't want to see them in the BET. I don't think we can beat them this season the way things have unfolded.
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Ironic that he didn't even want to play this game at MSG.
 
jibsey said:
The 3 point shooting in the game was 26% for us and 42% for them.
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Early on, some genius in the chat said pack it it, they can’t shoot from outside. That’s why we are on the chat and not actually coaching.
 
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superjohn said:
Johnnies are the best team by far in the conference this season, they're a top 10 team nationally and Pitino is just getting started there despite his age. Luis, Ejiofor, and Wilcher will be back next season as his core and he'll bring in top transfers again that fit what he wants to do.
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Pitino has adapted his play style to his talent level; gritty half court defense, more emphasis on the mid range, and a smaller rotation.

Considering his history has been pressing, playing 8-10 players, and more 3-point shooting; he's done a great job this season.


As some have noted before, I believe our coaching staff will learn greatly from this season and adapt accordingly.

If any coaching staff has earned a mulligan season, Hurley and staff (though I don't like it), get a pass IMO.
 
Chin Diesel said:
This season is probably the first time since 2nd or 3rd grade he is playing with doubt about what he is supposed to be doing. He is absolutely thinking instead of just doing. He's vapor locked.
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I believe there is something more worrisome going on than a half-season slump. This is now about a dozen+-game stretch where AK exhibits butterfingers receiving passes, holding onto rebounds and getting stripped on drives. More concerning is the fact that he frequently gets lost on defense, particularly on switches. And of course a 3pt shot that has mostly disappeared. I’m not a neurologist, nor do attempt to play one on the ‘yard… but I really wonder whether that concussion earlier in the season has had lasting effects.
 
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3rdbass said:
Yeah i agree. Just too bad he didn't have a whole year to work on his game and develop more.
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So before the season started he was a top 10 pick in The nba draft this year?
 
Fatroony5 said:
7 turnovers in the first 7ish minutes of the game… Just not enough dynamic guard play on this team & they really lack the physicality to play with a team like that when St Johns is humming like they were today. Gotta lock in and avoid the landmines coming up on the schedule. We know big changes are coming in the offseason, staff sees it, they aren’t dumb. They whiffed on their evaluations. Really shows how hard it is to be consistently good, year in/year out.
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Well said
 
All you need to do to see how outmatched we were is watch every rebound in the game. SJU soared over us time and time again grabbing boards and making putbacks or gaining extra possessions. Their offensive rebounding was spectacular. I have no idea what the actual stats were but they got every important rebound. Every damn one. We were so outclassed athletically.
 
Hoophound said:
All you need to do to see how outmatched we were is watch every rebound in the game. SJU soared over us time and time again grabbing boards and making putbacks or gaining extra possessions. Their offensive rebounding was spectacular. I have no idea what the actual stats were but they got every important rebound. Every damn one. We were so outclassed athletically.
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We outrebounded them 39-36. LOL!
 
Hoophound said:
All you need to do to see how outmatched we were is watch every rebound in the game. SJU soared over us time and time again grabbing boards and making putbacks or gaining extra possessions. Their offensive rebounding was spectacular. I have no idea what the actual stats were but they got every important rebound. Every damn one. We were so outclassed athletically.
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We outrebounded them.

Granted, they shot better so there were less offensive rebounds to be had.
 
We had many posts in the past saying that SJU, Georgetown, etc needed to return to form for the good of the Big East. That's the silver lining I'm taking from this. Good for the Big East.

Otherwise, I'll admit, I'm not wasting much time reading about what happened today. The first 7 minutes of the 2nd half was fun. Onto Georgetown.
 
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