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20 turnovers
30 personal fouls
2 technical fouls
Zero defense

This team has absolutely no discipline and is very poorly coached.

Even Kevin Ollie led teams didn’t have historically poor defense like this.

If you’re not a concerned fan, you should be. This is an absolute disgrace.
 
I can't tell if we are doing too much or too little in practice. Other than Hawkins there was no spark. Near air balls on free throws to start the game and Sanogo can barely dunk now. Are we tired?
 
Worst game I have seen in over 2 years. Why we didn't play a simple 2 -3 zone against this team when it was obvious we couldn't guard them in the 1st half is unreal. Also it will allow both Sanogo and DC to be on the floor together. Then on offense St. Johns would not have been able to double team either of them. IF so the other would clean up the miss. Let other teams figure out how to adjust to the lineup we wont out there. Hawkins and Jackson up top and Karaban, DC, and Sanogo. Can't start Newton at this point
 
husky429 said:
I would say Karaban came to play. 16/5/1 with no TOs.

Hawkins came to play other than the 7 TOs. Needs to clean that up.
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Hawkins turned the ball over so much in part because no one else even pretended to want the basketball besides Karaban. Guys passed off open shots or dropped passes and forced the ball to him. He wasn't perfect but the effort was there.
 
jibsey said:
I was out and have the game on tape but went to the chat just to check near the end. It was quite toxic over there understandably. I now don’t want to watch the tape but can someone just briefly explain how this went that badly? Once down, playing tight?
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Everybody just stood there on offense. No ball movement.
 
It seems like everything about our game at both ends revolve around threes. Get open looks for threes on offense and take away threes on defense.

But now we can’t get a layup and we give up drives to the rim like a layup line.
 
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auror said:
I haven't put much thought into it, but it sure feels that way. We lost a game at home by double digits where the other team missed 14 FTs and shot 15% from 3. Let that sink in.

This could've been a 30 point loss at home.
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It was bizarre. Everyone was sloppy, disorganized, and there was no energy at all.
 
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It’s time to let the reins off of Newton, Hawkins, and Jackson so they can drive.
 
Does anyone know what happened on that last foul by AJ- just curious since they didn’t show it again
 
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auror said:
Sometimes you burn the tape and never watch it. No, this one we watch. This one we watch like A Clockwork Orange with our eyes peeled wide. That includes Hurley.

Details. Focus. Effort. Intelligence. Focus.

Did I mention focus?
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You need to watch this tape over and over. It shows exactly what we are doing wrong. And it ain't detail, focus and energy.

This is what we are doing wrong.

We overplay on the outside and it allows opponents to blow by and get to the rim. It was a lay up line. Has been for five games. Overplay, blow by, lay up. Overplay, blow by and lay up.

Hell, Jackson is six foot six inches, he does NOT need to be in his man's chest outside the three point line. He needs to be back a foot, take away the drive to the lane and make his guy settle for a contested outside shot.
 
Team started feeling themselves after PKI. We had complained in the past about being “tough” but not the most skilled. I’d kill for some of those “tough” guys now. We’ve been punked in too many games since PKI, they lost the chip on their shoulders
 
HOW can this team make the same basic mistakes over and over ???
Do they practice ???
An embarrassment, everything was out of sync. WHO is in charge ?????
 
Jboges033 said:
Can we finally stop with the we only lost cause we played top conference teams on the road. We haven’t been very good, except the Creighton game, for a while.

Also stop with Newton will figure it out, no he won’t. He is what he is and not that good.
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Was Creighton good or did they just play really bad and stupid?
 
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One silver lining: this game has made our #1 offseason priority crystal clear:

An immediate impact point guard (like Souley Boum at Xavier or Terry Roberts at Georgia).

Also, in a way, I'm exciting that our next game is against another physical team. We need to regroup and show we can win against not very skilled, but tough as nails teams.
 
This team is over coached not under coached. It’s not that Hurley doesn’t make enough adjustments he makes too many.

That zone makes no sense, if a play breaks down we don’t know what to do next. As soon as the going gets tough we have no identity. It’s fine though we’ll figure it out someday we are a very good fatally flawed team. As soon as we accept that it makes everything better.

At some point we need a bit of a coach we will say just go play basketball do what makes sense. Don’t over think, so many of our TOs was because of people not doing the natural basketball thing. How are people setting themselves up to be out of bounds when the ball comes to them…lol
 
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Not sure St. John's is mediocre, but this is 4 losses in a row, and this is probably the worst looking one. Again, time and time again, St. John's players just breezed by defenders and had close up shots or passed to teammate for good shot or got fouled. I thought Diarra was supposed to be our best defender- he got beat as much as the others. On offense, it is too predictable. Usually, double team Sanogo and smother Hawkins gets it done- today, even with Hawkins scoring a ton, no one else except Karaban could contribute anything. We did have some plays where they took it to the rim more which is an improvement, but very discouraging especially the 2nd half. I do like they are experimenting with zones, maybe some combination will start to work. I wonder how many more games in a row we will lose, since the personnel won't change- we have what we have, they try hard, but they seem lost everywhere. Maybe this will be like Kemba's team in 2011 and suddenly they will catch fire, but we don't have anyone close to bringing what Kemba did back then.
 
SaeHusky said:
Worst game I have seen in over 2 years. Why we didn't play a simple 2 -3 zone against this team when it was obvious we couldn't guard them in the 1st half is unreal. Also it will allow both Sanogo and DC to be on the floor together. Then on offense St. Johns would not have been able to double team either of them. IF so the other would clean up the miss. Let other teams figure out how to adjust to the lineup we wont out there. Hawkins and Jackson up top and Karaban, DC, and Sanogo. Can't start Newton at this point
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When Uconn has their rematch later this year against St Johns at Madison Square Garden....they better use the 2-3 zone and have Sanogo and Clingan on the floor together because St. John's is a horrible outside shooting team. They could've used that game plan today and practically guaranteed themselves a win.
 
Kolumbo said:
Lots of blame to go around. Clingan played 9 minutes, Sanogo 30. Not for nothing but the blocking and flagrant calls on Clingan were complete b u l l .
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The officiating was trash overall, if they called the foul on the rebound grapple between Clingan and Jones, Clingan wouldn't have had to throw the elbows that started the whole thing. But that's irrelevant. This team flat out STUNK today. Officiating had nothing to do with it.
 
! about time to have an adult conversation about the state of this team:

How many games in League plays did we out turned over the opponent?

Take care of the damn ball.

Btw our interior defense sucked…
 
Kolumbo said:
Lots of blame to go around. Clingan played 9 minutes, Sanogo 30. Not for nothing but the blocking and flagrant calls on Clingan were complete b u l l .
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Unfortunately Clingan got into foul trouble and St. John's Physicality threw him off his game.
 
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