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I missed the fisrt 5 min of the game - maybe they announced it on TV - thanks in advance
 
I think HuskyNan said they were from tha AAC in the game chat.
 
Dee Kantner is an AAC ref? Is that why we always seem to get her for our big games?
 
I am not sure that referees are from a specific conference but someone posted that they were from the AAC. I always thought that Dee Kanter was a "free agent", meaning that she refs in many conferences. (And for most every high profile tv game. )
 
Nah she is at a lot of games, not sure why as she is terrible.
 
The AAC assigns the refs. At least, that's how the rules have worked in the past; if they've changed, I'm not aware of it.

I don't believe conferences have pools, in other words, "their own" refs.
 
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As the game was at ND, wouldn't it then be the ACC assigning the refs and not the AAC?
 
It's always been my understanding that the conference of the host institution assigns the referees.
 
boreifs said:
Terrible?! She was once an NBA ref; that would never have happened if she was terrible. That didn't work out for her, but saying she is terrible is, to be kind, hyperbole.
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Dee Kantner has worked over 20 final four games, and 10 championship games, and I think one of the best in the women’s game. Having said that, how 3 officials missed the obvious flagrant foul on CD in the open floor at half court is beyond me. That foul was more egregious and unsportsmanlike than the one called in the backcourt. The foul on CW driving to the goal when she was undercut while in the air is a no-no among players, and it would be more than interesting to be a fly on the wall when the players spoke of it amongst themselves away from the prying ears of the press. I’m sure there were some words used that the press couldn’t print anyway. JMO
 
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It seems the call they always get wrong is the offensive player jumping into the defensive player that is positioned to the "Side".Jackie Young jumping into Lou and Lou receiving her 3rd foul was an obvious miss.
 
boreifs said:
Terrible?! She was once an NBA ref; that would never have happened if she was terrible. That didn't work out for her, but saying she is terrible is, to be kind, hyperbole.
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Kanter is terrible she has missed so many calls and called them the wrong way that I have lost count she and Missy Barlow are my least favorite.
 
my2cents said:
It seems the call they always get wrong is the offensive player jumping into the defensive player that is positioned to the "Side".Jackie Young jumping into Lou and Lou receiving her 3rd foul was an obvious miss.
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Don't all refs stink? Lol. If you wanted to see bad officiating you needed to watch the Uconn men's game against Arizona yesterday.
 
As a former high school ref, it's not an easy job. I once made a call in a small Alabama town and called exactly what I saw. The place erupted. I checked with my partner, who was the senior official and he saw nothing different. the home team lost and we had a police escort out of town, but I didn't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing at first.
 
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I agree with Twolf, the half court foul was more egregious and unsportsmanlike than the one called in the back court. If fit had been called, there is a good chance the second foul never would have occurred. It seems the refs always tend to rule in favor of the offensive player. But I agree by Young jumping into Lou, she actually initiated the contact and it should have been an offensive call. But in a sell out crowd, the home team usually gets the benefit of the calls. But in the end, we won, they lost and all is right in the world of CWBB as UCONN is again #1.
 
A lot of the offensive vs defensive calls are set ahead of time with the circle under the basket. If you are touching or inside it the call is on you (unless something even worse is seen like a dropped shoulder, etc). And I forgot to add that Lou was inside that circle and perhaps not totally planted.
 
Zinethar said:
A lot of the offensive vs defensive calls are set ahead of time with the circle under the basket. If you are touching or inside it the call is on you (unless something even worse is seen like a dropped shoulder, etc). And I forgot to add that Lou was inside that circle and perhaps not totally planted.
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Um no actualy. When the contact occurred, Lou was at least two feet outside the circle. Also, for a charge call, being "planted" is not a hard requirement.

Hadn't noticed the foot step-on until I captured this still.

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HuskeyinSC said:
As a former high school ref, it's not an easy job. I once made a call in a small Alabama town and called exactly what I saw. The place erupted. I checked with my partner, who was the senior official and he saw nothing different. the home team lost and we had a police escort out of town, but I didn't know if that was a good thing or a bad thing at first.
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The problem i see is they make a quick call without actually being sure. Then they refuse to check with other officials near the play to be sure. Especially when they are behind the play or too far away and make a call when the official on the play doesn't.
 
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my2cents said:
It seems the call they always get wrong is the offensive player jumping into the defensive player that is positioned to the "Side".Jackie Young jumping into Lou and Lou receiving her 3rd foul was an obvious miss.
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Also, earlier in the game, KLS played perfect defense against Ogobunwale (sp) and was called for a block. Both by Dee Kantner. She also called a moving screen on Nelson-Ododa which I thought was terrible.
 
Plebe said:
It's always been my understanding that the conference of the host institution assigns the referees.
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Not necessarily. It depends on what is agreed when the teams sign the contact to play. If both teams are strong and have relatively equal clout, it is not unusual for the visiting team to have the right to assign officials. If it is a major program playing a weaker one, then the major one usually assigns them -
in what is likely their home game.
 
Zinethar said:
A lot of the offensive vs defensive calls are set ahead of time with the circle under the basket. If you are touching or inside it the call is on you (unless something even worse is seen like a dropped shoulder, etc). And I forgot to add that Lou was inside that circle and perhaps not totally planted.
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Just so no-one is confused, the arc under the basket only applies to a so-called secondary defender, i.e. a defender who was not guarding the player with the ball. If the player going to the basket is your man, then you can still draw a legal charge with one or both feet on the line or inside it.
 
It is not uncommon that procurement of the game officials is included as part of the game contract for out of conference games. Many officials have conference affiliations; they can be affiliated with multiple conferences. I'm aware instances in which the game contract specified "neutral" affiliation, instances in which it is a home & home contract the officials come from the visiting team conference affiliation.... It is pretty routine that the assignment of game officials comes out of conference offices rather than individual school athletic offices.
 
Twolf said:
Dee Kantner has worked over 20 final four games, and 10 championship games, and I think one of the best in the women’s game. Having said that, how 3 officials missed the obvious flagrant foul on CD in the open floor at half court is beyond me. That foul was more egregious and unsportsmanlike than the one called in the backcourt. The foul on CW driving to the goal when she was undercut while in the air is a no-no among players, and it would be more than interesting to be a fly on the wall when the players spoke of it amongst themselves away from the prying ears of the press. I’m sure there were some words used that the press couldn’t print anyway. JMO
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Undercutting can cause serious or career ending harm, isn't that what happened to KML's elbow?
 
stamfordhusky said:
Not necessarily. It depends on what is agreed when the teams sign the contact to play. If both teams are strong and have relatively equal clout, it is not unusual for the visiting team to have the right to assign officials. If it is a major program playing a weaker one, then the major one usually assigns them -
in what is likely their home game.
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I agree that (at times) there have been cases that undoubtedly reflect what you are saying (a Rutgers game many years ago at home against Stanford had PAC ref's), but it seems to be less common today. For instance, the PAC always uses PAC referees at the conferences teams' home games.

I tracked the better known referees (on a spreadsheet, where they worked for what conferences how often) for a number of years and seldom saw any instances of referees doing games for teams in conferences where they didn't work other games. I still track ref's in RU and Arizona games, and haven't noticed any real exceptions to the home team conference selecting the refs.
 
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