So is this the conundrum?

[upstater]

How?

Using the numbers in place, we're fine. If they make it a numbers game, it's the ACC that needs to worry. So the number angle isn't an argument. To boot, there's no provisions currently to kick members out, there is only guidelines to add members.

If you're argument is that the ACC, Big12, SEC, Big10 and Pac12 will somehow 'vote out' the Big East, I just don't see that happening. I choose to believe that with all the anti-BCS sentiment out there, the other power 5 conferences would not willingly bring more controversy (legal threats) to their front door. Plus, how can the power 5 justify kicking out the Big East, when in fact, it's been a better rated conference then the ACC?

We've been over this already. They could add bowl games. The other conferences would be thrilled with 7 at-large spots. after the next contract, they can not renew the BE.

 

[upstater]

I believe and I look forward to watching Blumenthal's crusade against the big bad super conferences flop.

UConn will be in a superconference so why would he sue?

 

[gars44]

Out of what pocket? Got $70 mill?

OK, say the big east media right is worth $7 Mill for the entire slate of games. Say you enter the ACC and the media rights are now worth 14 Mill for the entire slate. You jump. You now lose 1/2 your media rights. You have to cede $7 Mill to your former conference. You take your lumps. I guess I should admit that I have no idea how this works. Would you give up your $14 Mill in media rights from the new conference, even though they were only worth $7 Mill in the former conference? If that's how it works, then you are absolutely correct that giving up your media rights makes it implossible to jump.

 

[epperson]

UConn will be in a superconference so why would he sue?

Football is driving the revenue. Television contracts are predicated on this fact.

UConn is a Hoops-First School.

Therefore, they will most likely be left out of a super conference when the dust settles.

 

[gars44]

Football is driving the revenue. Television contracts are predicated on this fact.

UConn is a Hoops-First School.

Therefore, they will most likely be left out of a super conference when the dust settles.

I get that would make you very happy. But I don't think Uconn gets left out. I also get that initially we must align with a different, [not so] super conference, but I think our conference will have a BCS bid. It will annoy you to no end, but there we'll be. If we play this right.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

We've been over this already. They could add bowl games. The other conferences would be thrilled with 7 at-large spots. after the next contract, they can not renew the BE.

How does adding another BCS Bowl (Cotton at JerryWorld) have an impact on the Big East's bid?

How can the power 5 conferences vote out the Big East, when there is not a provision for kicking members out?

If they make it a numbers game, then why would the Big East be at risk and not the ACC?

 

[ctchamps]

UConn will be in a superconference so why would he sue?

Nobody is arguing against a preference for UConn to be in another conference. Some of us are questioning the certainty of this happening. I'm not certain one way or the other. Taking action could be futile or fruitful. Taking no action could be futile or fruitful. Just my opinion because I can follow a trail all four ways.

 

[epperson]

I get that would make you very happy. But I don't think Uconn gets left out. I also get that initially we must align with a different, [not so] super conference, but I think our conference will have a BCS bid. It will annoy you to no end, but there we'll be. If we play this right.

I have no emotional stake in it.

Realistically, I don't see it happening. Corporations and the Media Sports Cartel are shaping the BCS discussions. And the money is clearly in Football.

The ACC clearly has its eyes on a bigger prize in ND. The dark horse is Penn State. It's Jo Pa's vision. Fulfilling it would mean East Coast hegemony, regional rivalries and primacy of Academics.

Since there are built-in political problems with the SEC poaching ACC Schools, I think they'll land Missouri and eventually hold their noses and invite WVU.

The Big 10 wants ND but aside from historical rivalries and regional considerations, its an odd institutional fit.

The Big 12 will probably land a few programs within its region to stabilize the conference.

This leaves a hodgepodge of schools left in the BE. The BCS will surely strip the conference of its status once everything settles.

So I just don't see UConn landing anywhere other than what's left of the BE--a non super conference.

 

[SubbaBub]

The only option is to build as if UL, WVU, and UConn are leaving. Make the best conference you can based on each members shared goals. If everyone ends up staying, the conference is that much stronger. Forcing a group to remain together is doomed to fail.

 

[flyonthewall]

Football is driving the revenue. Television contracts are predicated on this fact.

UConn is a Hoops-First School.

Therefore, they will most likely be left out of a super conference when the dust settles.

UConn is a hoops school which is why they will not be in a super conference. Best to re-formulate the BE as a hoops conference that ESPN will still pay decent dollars for and move FB to CUSA or FCS

 

[noeynox]

UConn is a hoops school which is why they will not be in a super conference. Best to re-formulate the BE as a hoops conference that ESPN will still pay decent dollars for and move FB to CUSA or FCS

Well BC is a Hockey school, and UConn football has already proven capable of playing itself into a BCS bowl, something BC never did in the Big East, or ACC. BC will never play in a BCS bowl, they had one thing going for them over UConn the first time the ACC expanded, and that is that they had been playing 1A football longer. Unlike little old BCU, UConn has managed to thrive off of its own accomplishments and will continue to do so regardless of what conference we end up in. Regardless of what conference BC is in, they will remain an afterthought.

 

[epperson]

Well BC is a Hockey school, and UConn football has already proven capable of playing itself into a BCS bowl, something BC never did in the Big East, or ACC.

BC's best sport is Hockey but historically, it's a Football School. It has tradition, historical rivalries, signature high-profile victories, a long string of Bowl victories, a back-and-forth Holy War with ND and developing friendly rivalry brewing with Clemson.

Anyone who follows College Football knows that the Fiesta Bowl for UConn last year was a sham. Your school lost to lowly Temple, failed to beat a ranked opponent and ended up getting trounced on national television. On top of that, your school actually lost money in the process.

BC will never play in a BCS bowl, they had one thing going for them over UConn the first time the ACC expanded, and that is that they had been playing 1A football longer.

BC came very close in two separate attempts in the last few years. Due to untimely injuries in critical positions, we lost to VT teams in the ACC Championship Games we've beaten in the regular season.

Unlike little old BCU, UConn has managed to thrive off of its own accomplishments and will continue to do so regardless of what conference we end up in. Regardless of what conference BC is in, they will remain an afterthought.

It's better than being irrelevant in a non-BCS super conference, wouldn't you say?

 

[noeynox]

BC came very close in two separate attempts in the last few years. Due to untimely injuries in critical positions, we lost to VT teams in the ACC Championship Games we've beaten in the regular season.

It's better than being irrelevant in a non-BCS super conference, wouldn't you say?

You came close, big deal. Hang your hat on that. I think "close" is the brother of "almost" which we all know is a horse that came in last.

UConn's BCS bid may have been a "sham" in your eyes, but it doesn't change the fact that UConn earned a BCS bid before BC beeyotch! You have never nor will you ever play in a BCS bowl, continue to hate on UConn if it makes you feel better about that.

 

[uconnbaseball]

You came close, big deal. Hang your hat on that. I think "close" is the brother of "almost" which we all know is a horse that came in last.

UConn's BCS bid may have been a "sham" in your eyes, but it doesn't change the fact that UConn earned a BCS bid before BC beeyotch! You have never nor will you ever play in a BCS bowl, continue to hate on UConn if it makes you feel better about that.

I wonder why some of these BC posters have to hide behind monikers instead of coming out and admitting their fandom?

And that injury excuse was hilarious. EVERY team has injury issues.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Suggesting that UConn is a "hoops school" is just stupid. Like Duke, UNC, UMD, Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas, UCLA and those other "hoops schools" that aren't in major coferences? Football drives the bus, but basketball is not irrelevant.

Meanwhile, should the ACC expand, just what classic football power is waiting in their geographic footprint? Hmmm? None. Big Ten? Just one, ND. Big XII? None. SEC? Maybe WVU. Pac 12? You could make a case for Boise based on recent history. The great classic football schools are taken. BYU and Notre Dame are all that is left, and they don't want to join. Almost every major league has as many basketball centric schools as football schools, save the SEC and maybe the BigTen.

Louisville? Hoops school. Cincy? Rutgers? Neither do much of anything well historically. Nevada? Wyoming? Ball State? Memphis? Tulsa? Fresno St.? I'm not seeing it. So if you are expanding, what can you look for? Solid all-sports athletic programs, strong hoops, strong academics and the potential to improve at football. That's the best you can do. There is no long lost twin of Michigan or Ohio State waiting in the wings.

I have no doubt that UConn will be fine when the dust settles.

 

[epperson]

UConn's BCS bid may have been a "sham" in your eyes, but it doesn't change the fact that UConn earned a BCS bid before BC beeyotch! You have never nor will you ever play in a BCS bowl, continue to hate on UConn if it makes you feel better about that.

It was a sham. UConn went 8-4 in a weak conference and against weak opponents. They secured a BCS bid by default not by merit.

If anything, its an indictment against the BCS.

Likewise, ND could have a very mediocre season and still somehow land a coveted Bowl Game because of ancient history.

This not something to gloat over.

 

[epperson]

I wonder why some of these BC posters have to hide behind monikers instead of coming out and admitting their fandom? And that injury excuse was hilarious. EVERY team has injury issues.

It wasn't an "excuse". It was an explanation to the popular UConn notion that BC is irrelevant in Football.

 

[uconnbaseball]

Great teams overcome injuries and suspensions because they have great depth. Look at LSU after losing Patterson...USCe with Shaw at the helm...Meyer's Florida team when Pouncey got hurt his junior year.

 

[Vuce]

UConn is a hoops school which is why they will not be in a super conference. Best to re-formulate the BE as a hoops conference that ESPN will still pay decent dollars for and move FB to CUSA or FCS

Uconn is a hoops school that made a BCS bowl in football which is something BC has never and will never do.

 

[epperson]

Great teams overcome injuries and suspensions because they have great depth. Look at LSU after losing Patterson...USCe with Shaw at the helm...Meyer's Florida team when Pouncey got hurt his junior year.

The teams you listed are "great" because they have a brand name, virtually unlimited resources and regional access to top recruits. They also have the financial backing of public money, rabid fan bases and lucrative tv deals.

And they also carry a mega ton of baggage.

BC takes its Academics seriously. It's usually ranked in the top 3 for graduation-rates every single year.

Given the lopsided advantages the "great programs" have over a small school like BC, it's remarkable that despite the odds and uneven field, we still manage to come close to winning the ACC Championship in consecutive years.

 

[epperson]

Uconn is a hoops school that made a BCS bowl in football which is something BC has never and will never do.

8-4 record in a weak conference, zero victories against ranked opponents and loss against lowly but scrappy Temple.

Is this the BCS Bowl Game you seem so enamored by? Landing a spot by default and not merit?

 

[noeynox]

It was a sham. UConn went 8-4 in a weak conference and against weak opponents. They secured a BCS bid by default not by merit.

If anything, its an indictment against the BCS.

Likewise, ND could have a very mediocre season and still somehow land a coveted Bowl Game because of ancient history.

This not something to gloat over.

None of the BC teams that "came close" were materially better than UConn's team last year, so by your logic BC came "close" to being a "sham" but were not quite good enough to be a "sham". You should be proud.

 

[jrazz12]

8-4 record in a weak conference, zero victories against ranked opponents and loss against lowly but scrappy Temple.

Is this the BCS Bowl Game you seem so enamored by? Landing a spot by default and not merit?

You must be sitting down, because you certainly do not have a leg to stand on

 

[epperson]

None of the BC teams that "came close" were materially better than UConn's team last year, so by your logic BC came "close" to being a "sham" but were not quite good enough to be a "sham". You should be proud.

Matt Ryan was QB for at least one of these teams I mentioned which was ranked as high as #2 that year.

Secondly, you're bringing up hypothetical situations. Using historical analysis, UConn has never ever beaten BC in Football. It's a verifiable fact you can't escape.

 

[epperson]

You must be sitting down, because you certainly do not have a leg to stand on

8-4 and finished the season unranked in your "BCS year". Not compelling enough?