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cheering for nova is like a yankee fan cheering for the Red Sox to win a World Series or vice versa

The only thing UConn gains is money and what’s the share anyway they would get… it’s probably minimal in the total picture and then it also gives Nova a huge advantage recruiting wise when going head to head

UNC or Kansas does not adversely affect the UConn basketball program going forward. Nova winning could prevent a couple recruits from choosing UConn and going to nova instead
 
Coach K's 'look at ME' plan for this season was to make the final four and to possibly cement his legacy as the greatest college coach in history (or at least get firmly planted in the conversation) by going out on top just like John Wooden did. The three other programs/teams in the FF have to know they are fighting against this legacy moment that would give Dook recognition and publicity for the foreseeable future. Anybody but Dook is the clear mandate.
 
Guess I gotta go with Nova. It's good for our conference, period. Nova is also the most respectable program out of the lot. Check that. The only respectable program. I hope K gets embarrassed whether it's the semi's or the finals. That said, my prediction is kansas over unc in the finals.
 
methodology said:
cheering for nova is like a yankee fan cheering for the Red Sox to win a World Series or vice versa

The only thing UConn gains is money and what’s the share anyway they would get… it’s probably minimal in the total picture and then it also gives Nova a huge advantage recruiting wise when going head to head

UNC or Kansas does not adversely affect the UConn basketball program going forward. Nova winning could prevent a couple recruits from choosing UConn and going to nova instead
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This would be true if all teams were paying players and had equal opportunity to bring in stars. This isn't professional sports. I hate Nova as much as anyone, but what's good for us is them winning again. It'll mean more conference $$, a better TV deal with more $$, etc. At this point in time UConn needs to bring in every dollar it can because if we continue to operate in the red our programs could go down the drain quickly. The Big East was one of the best basketball conferences this year, and bringing home a national championship would further cement that and help bring in more top recruits to the league.
 
methodology said:
The only thing UConn gains is money and what’s the share anyway they would get… it’s probably minimal in the total picture and then it also gives Nova a huge advantage recruiting wise when going head to head
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Last year a win was worth $337K per year for the conference. But you don't get a unit for the championship game so all that matters is winning their Final Four matchup
 
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navery12 said:
Last year a win was worth $337K per year for the conference. But you don't get a unit for the championship game so all that matters is winning their Final Four matchup
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Exactly my point. And 337k is a drop in the bucket. People are acting like they are getting millions
 
Let’s go Nova. And if they can do it with the huge loss of Moore all the better.
 
methodology said:
cheering for nova is like a yankee fan cheering for the Red Sox to win a World Series or vice versa

The only thing UConn gains is money and what’s the share anyway they would get… it’s probably minimal in the total picture and then it also gives Nova a huge advantage recruiting wise when going head to head

UNC or Kansas does not adversely affect the UConn basketball program going forward. Nova winning could prevent a couple recruits from choosing UConn and going to nova instead
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The UConn-Nova rivalry just isn't anywhere near the Yanks-Red Sox even by today's watered down standards.
Have we ever had consensus on who UConn's biggest rival is?
It likely is consensus to think/plan/hope its Villanova going forward, but I don't think that's true at this point. UConn first has to contend for multiple regular season BE titles with them and regularly play in the BE tournament (so this year's semis definitely a start).
Likewise, pretty certain Villanova would not currently cite UConn as their biggest rival.

I remember posting something on the 'yard in Jay Wright's early years at Nova about a game in Gampel where he took the air out of the ball & created a rock fight. Half the boneyard railed that I dare criticize the golden boy. Wright remains universally respected if not liked. Boeheim is a villain (Syracuse may have been our biggest rival (but they always thought of Georgetown as theirs, obv now out of sight & mostly out of mind), Pitt was a rival when we had multiple coincident good years (also now gone) and various other NE teams want to be our rival but have never been consistently on UConn's level in hoops (BCE, Providence, UMass). Anyway, I just don't feel like UConn hates Villanova.
 
methodology said:
cheering for nova is like a yankee fan cheering for the Red Sox to win a World Series or vice versa

The only thing UConn gains is money and what’s the share anyway they would get… it’s probably minimal in the total picture and then it also gives Nova a huge advantage recruiting wise when going head to head

UNC or Kansas does not adversely affect the UConn basketball program going forward. Nova winning could prevent a couple recruits from choosing UConn and going to nova instead
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If we're going to use unprovable hypotheticals, could one not just as easily argue that Nova winning will raise the profile of the conference, allowing us to attract a recruit that we would not have gotten otherwise?
 
My daughter is a freshman at UNC. I never cared for them before she went there, so I want them to beat Duke obviously. The thought of K getting the fairy tale ending is nauseating. As others have said, I don't want Nova or Kansas tying us for NCs. If it's UNC-Nova, I'd be completely torn, lol
 
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Get a Job said:
If we're going to use unprovable hypotheticals, could one not just as easily argue that Nova winning will raise the profile of the conference, allowing us to attract a recruit that we would not have gotten otherwise?
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UConn 98% of the time isn’t winning a recruiting battle vs Kansas, Duke, UNC. That’s not a hypothetical

Nova winning 3 titles in a 6 year period, with arguably the best coach in the biz, would undoubtedly create a recruiting hurdle for UConn going head to head with them

Nova winning doesn’t guarantee better recruits playing in the big east. Especially in this day and age with paying recruits
 
methodology said:
UConn 98% of the time isn’t winning a recruiting battle vs Kansas, Duke, UNC. That’s not a hypothetical

Nova winning 3 titles in a 6 year period, with arguably the best coach in the biz, would undoubtedly create a recruiting hurdle for UConn going head to head with them

Nova winning doesn’t guarantee better recruits playing in the big east. Especially in this day and age with paying recruits
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I'm sure there are aspects of Villanova winning this year that would help and hurt UConn. My only contention is that it is far from obvious that the net effect would be negative.

Aside: Literally any future scenario about which you declare a predicted outcome is, by definition, hypothetical, regardless of how likely or unlikely it might be.
 
Dogdeacon said:
The UConn-Nova rivalry just isn't anywhere near the Yanks-Red Sox even by today's watered down standards.
Have we ever had consensus on who UConn's biggest rival is?
It likely is consensus to think/plan/hope its Villanova going forward, but I don't think that's true at this point. UConn first has to contend for multiple regular season BE titles with them and regularly play in the BE tournament (so this year's semis definitely a start).
Likewise, pretty certain Villanova would not currently cite UConn as their biggest rival.

I remember posting something on the 'yard in Jay Wright's early years at Nova about a game in Gampel where he took the air out of the ball & created a rock fight. Half the boneyard railed that I dare criticize the golden boy. Wright remains universally respected if not liked. Boeheim is a villain (Syracuse may have been our biggest rival (but they always thought of Georgetown as theirs, obv now out of sight & mostly out of mind), Pitt was a rival when we had multiple coincident good years (also now gone) and various other NE teams want to be our rival but have never been consistently on UConn's level in hoops (BCE, Providence, UMass). Anyway, I just don't feel like UConn hates Villanova.
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I never hated Nova except for the Kerry Kittles year when they whooped us twice. In '85 I rooted hard for them in their Cinderella championship run. In 2009 I was happy they beat Pitt in the regional final. We may be competing with them yearly again now, but to me they've always been part of classic Big East (part of our neighborhood) and will remain that way, even through this era of Jay Wright dominance, however long that lasts.

Just can't hate conference rivals the same way I hate OOC bluebloods like Duke & UNC. To me, they're the establishment. The snotty Gentlemen's club. Always hated 'em & always will.
 
methodology said:
UConn 98% of the time isn’t winning a recruiting battle vs Kansas, Duke, UNC. That’s not a hypothetical

Nova winning 3 titles in a 6 year period, with arguably the best coach in the biz, would undoubtedly create a recruiting hurdle for UConn going head to head with them

Nova winning doesn’t guarantee better recruits playing in the big east. Especially in this day and age with paying recruits
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Exactly. We have fallen so far that we are rooting for an in-conference rival to match us in titles and Jay Wright to match Jim Calhoun in titles.

North Carolina and Kansas are the easy picks for rooting interests in the Final Four.

PS: The money for winning a game in the NCAA tournament while great is not some huge amount for any school to make some huge difference. Nova has appeared in 4 games for the Big East meaning 4 units. Providence has appeared in 3 games meaning 3 units. Creighton appeared in 2 games meaning 2 units. UCONN, Hall, and Marquette in one game meaning 1 unit apiece or 3 total units for the conference. Altogether the Big East has earned 12 credits this tournament.

The NCAA does NOT give tourney credits in the Final Four.

Each 2022 unit is worth $338,887 paid to the conference of the participating school. Each unit has a six-year shelf life, meaning one unit this season is worth $2,033,322 overall.

UCONN will earn $369,694.91 each year for the next 6 years based on this year's results.
 
I don’t think the conference money is much different. . The final two shares are equal
rooting for your conferences is a moot point financially.
So picking between UNC, NOVA , Kansas , and Duke . Is like picking what caliber round you want the firing squad to use.
The result is going to be the same. Someone is going to win that will make you Unhappy.
Frankly as someone whose hated Duke for 32 years another K win probably wouldn’t bother me as Duke is a one coach fluke. The other three have won championships with multiple coaches and are real established programs. Duke can go back to being the third best program in the State and dwell on the greatness that was K.
 
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UNC ... they will continue to be a blue blood regardless and Hubert is a good guy. Watching them spoil K's party is enough for me to root for them this year without UCONN in it.

Nova ... Wright is a great coach and his players are easy to root for since they play the game as a team. BUT let's be clear, no way do I want them to have as many NC's as our Huskies. Conference representation in the Final Four is enough.

KU ... stay more popular on the national scale and continue to have 1 less championship than UCONN

Duke ... NEVER
 
Kansas has gone the longest without winning a national championship (2008) of the Final Four teams. Villanova can't get another one (third since 2016....). I'm going with Kansas because the others have won it more recently. UNC would be my second choice. I'll be ok as long as Nova or Duke don't win.
 
I generally like Nova but them getting their fourth title to tie with us and third in six years with a coach that's nowhere near retirement would absolutely put them ahead of us on the best programs of all-time list. No good.

Kansas, despite having fewer titles, is now and always will be considered better than us so one more won't make any difference. Also, they seem to go decades between titles so who knows when they'll get the next one.

UNC has more titles, more prestige and we have no real direct history with them. Hubert seems like a genuinely good man. I have no beef here.

Dook...no. Just, no.

1) UNC
2) Kansas
3) Nova
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4) dook (puking in my mouth)
 
Inyatkin said:
Kansas and Nova would tie us for titles with a win. Duke is Duke. Can't say I hate Hubert Davis, so I guess they're the choice?

Second choice is probably Duke. Yes they're annoying but K is leaving so who cares.
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Wut

@StllH8L8ner sic' em!
 
Fairfield_1st said:
I want rat face out of the tournament. Him winning it all for a fairy tale ending would be the worst possible outcome. Although I also despise UNC, primarily for the academic scandal they got away with, the need to send K home unhappy overrides all other motivations. My preferred order for champions: Nova, Kansas, UNC & Puke. Hate cheating Kansas as well, but hoping there's an outside shot they win and then it gets taken away.
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This should not be up for debate
 
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nomar said:
Wut

@StllH8L8ner sic' em!
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Duke is never the answer!

I’m conflicted. I’m a “rising tide lifts all boats” guy so Nova winning would be good for the Big East. And I don’t hate Jay Wright. Although I do live close to Villanova and will be on the receiving end of never ending harassment from the fans/alumni who I know since I wear Uconn gear a good amount of time. But I also would win around $600 if they win. But then there is the tying us for number of titles thing which isn’t good.

So I’m not sure where that puts me. But one thing is for damn sure…Duke must never win.
 
I believe that there is only one thing to wish for:

Nova arrives late and prior to their arrival a levy fails, washing Duke, UNC and Kansas to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. The NCAA then cancels this year's final four.
 
John said:
UNC v Kansas
Kansas wins it, but right before trophy ceremony both teams get the death penalty and the entire Final Four is vacated.
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For going to class?
 
Not buying the argument that Villanova winning a 4th helps the BE. Villanova winning a 4th helps Villanova. It doesn't show how strong the the new BE is, it shows how strong Nova and Jay Wright are. They will likely be considered a better all-time program than us after this, because in the world of sports it's "what have you done for me lately?" I hope you all realize that if Jay Wright wins his 3rd since 2016 that Nova will without a doubt out-recruit us every year on top of already having a better HC than us. The very best recruits will be flocking to play for unquestionably the best HC in America at a program where they know they have a chance of winning it all every year.

1. UNC- I like Hubert Davis and don't really hate their program, plus they already have 6 so who cares if they win another one?

2. Duke- YES, Duke at #2. K is gone after this anyway and they will always be considered a better program than us regardless if they win a 6th or not. My hatred for Duke doesn't run as deep anymore as some people here, especially since we haven't had any meaningful history with them in the last 18 years.

3. Kansas- Don't want them to get a 4th, but the majority of people consider them to be a better program than us all-time anyway, so it is what it is.

4. Nova- See above. I don't hate them and I like Jay Wright, but I don't want them winning under any circumstances. They will be our main rival in the sport going forward and it's actually shocking to me how many of you want to them win this thing.
 
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