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So after last night's game ... POLL

So after last nights game do you feel better or worse about our prospects this year

  • Better, they played hard against a ranked team and came up short

  • Worse, a loss is a loss

  • Same, the team did not show anything new (or at least not enough)

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Better. However, the bar was really low.

The idea that we might be better off without Adams and Larrier is nuts to me. Adams should be better by now, but he's still a gamer who represents our best chance against elite competition. Let's not forget that Larrier tore his ACL just over a year ago. I thought last night was the best he's looked in terms of putting the ball on the floor and getting to his spots. Adams and Larrier are our only two players who can get baskets one on one. Life would be extremely difficult with zero guys who can do that.

The KenPom ranking is what it is because we've been a bad team. The fact that we dropped on the KenPom rankings last night isn't, to my mind, an accurate reflection of what happened. Last night reminded me of an 8/1 match-up in that both teams had players but talent/depth/size won out in the end. One of the reasons we may have dropped on KenPom is because they don't seem to respect Arizona as much as Vegas. Vegas realizes that they're undefeated with their full array of players and that they're closer to a one or two seed caliber. Not sure how anybody can come away from that thinking Cincinnati or Wichita has a better chance to win the title regardless of what KenPom might think.

All in all, I thought they played last night like we could have reasonably expected them to play at the beginning of the season. It's not cause to celebrate but they looked competent.
 
Javjudah said:
They didn't choke. Arizona has a lot more quality talent than us. Put Deandre Ayton on UCONN and we wil be undefeated right now and final four bound.
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Ayton, woah, he is the truth.
 
We went from maybe winning to maybe not covering a 16 1/2 pt. spread very quickly. I'm being selfish here but I hate low assists basketball. I mean I detest it. It's ugly, selfish ball. Maybe it will change going forward. Hopefully. Also, AZ made more free throws than we attempted. Granted they were the home team. That was a hallmark of JC teams. It's funny because when KO talks about what he wants his offense to look like it's the exact opposite of how they play.
 
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JMick said:
probably not, but it would be nice to meet somewhere in the middle between finishing 5th and 1st in the AAC, at least.
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Even if that happens, there's still going to be the same complaining about not being a top seed/contending for national titles/sending multiple lottery picks per year.
 
Stairmaster said:
Even if that happens, there's still going to be the same complaining about not being a top seed/contending for national titles/sending multiple lottery picks per year.
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not from me.
 
Stairmaster said:
Those days are never coming back. Get used to it.
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Really? You think that we won't have 4 more natties by 2035? You may just be right about that.
 
nomar said:
Poll:

What was funnier, Walton asking Pasch about a dog that died three years ago, or Walton saying KO was going to join JC in the Hall of Fame?
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Walton asking Pasch about a dog that died three years ago.

But funnier still was the mutual dislike and sniping that got worse over the night.
 
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Stairmaster said:
Even if that happens, there's still going to be the same complaining about not being a top seed/contending for national titles/sending multiple lottery picks per year.
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Not every year, but I would expect to be ranked (5 seed or better) 2 years out of 3, and a legit contender (2 seed or better) every 3-4 years as a recruiting class develops, with maybe 1-2 1st-rounders every 4 year cycle.

Even that is a significant step backward from our 90's-00's heyday (10 #1/#2 seeds in 16 years), but should be reasonable expectations for a program that should dominate a mid-major conference.
 
Same...

Started off slow again.

Not on Ollie by any means I thought they coaching was pretty good... our guys gave up in the last few minutes. We could have won that game.
 
SubbaBub said:
That was a winnable game, they choked it in the last 6 minutes.
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Watched only last 8 min, but that's what I thought as well.

But those Bunny Busters-- oi!! Do they really need lay-up practice?
 
I think I'm pretty typical 'older' fan in many respects. I was a fan in the Perno days, got excited seeing Calhoun building something when we started knocking of the big boys in the Big East like Cuse and Georgetown, was thrilled when we won the NIT on '88 when honestly no one else in my high school cared, saw the glory years of Husky Hoops in the early to mid-90s when a bad NCAA matchup against UCLA or missed free throws kept us from winning it all. to the title or NIT years of JC and early KO. I used to go to 5 to 7 games a year including occasional road games and definitely conference and NCAA tournament games. I also rearranged my schedule around UCONN to never miss a game. Now I almost never go to games and watch televised games when I don't have anything better to do. The biggest thing for me is that besides Cincinnati, none of our AAC opponents get me psyched to go to games or watch. The lack of player development is also another factor. I don't have money to burn and call me a fair weather fan if you will but the product on the court just isn't sufficient to spend money on. I'm not expecting titles but I do expect the team that's a few years removed from a national title to be able to compete with top schools, not lose by 15-35 points and having posters here pointing out positives in these games. I have a lot of friends who are also UCONN fans and they express the same. A return to the Big East may be our only hope. I'm also a former football season ticket holder and have followed the team since the 1AA days. Granted football never had the success that men's hoops had, but the same malaise has sunk in there.
 
UCweCONN said:
I think I'm pretty typical 'older' fan in many respects. I was a fan in the Perno days, got excited seeing Calhoun building something when we started knocking of the big boys in the Big East like Cuse and Georgetown, was thrilled when we won the NIT on '88 when honestly no one else in my high school cared, saw the glory years of Husky Hoops in the early to mid-90s when a bad NCAA matchup against UCLA or missed free throws kept us from winning it all. to the title or NIT years of JC and early KO. I used to go to 5 to 7 games a year including occasional road games and definitely conference and NCAA tournament games. I also rearranged my schedule around UCONN to never miss a game. Now I almost never go to games and watch televised games when I don't have anything better to do. The biggest thing for me is that besides Cincinnati, none of our AAC opponents get me psyched to go to games or watch. The lack of player development is also another factor. I don't have money to burn and call me a fair weather fan if you will but the product on the court just isn't sufficient to spend money on. I'm not expecting titles but I do expect the team that's a few years removed from a national title to be able to compete with top schools, not lose by 15-35 points and having posters here pointing out positives in these games. I have a lot of friends who are also UCONN fans and they express the same. A return to the Big East may be our only hope. I'm also a former football season ticket holder and have followed the team since the 1AA days. Granted football never had the success that men's hoops had, but the same malaise has sunk in there.
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I gave you a like because I understand your point of view. But I’m optimistic about the future. We might not make the tournament this year but if we see growth in the team and the following scenario happens I think we will be dangerous next year. A team with Adams returning and hopefully Larrier. No defections from Diarra, Cobb, Carlton, Or Whaley. no decommitments from our incoming. Then add a healthy Gilbert, Wilson and Vitale and that’s a team to be excited about. Will you spend your money on that team?
 
imno1 said:
I gave you a like because I understand your point of view. But I’m optimistic about the future. We might not make the tournament this year but if we see growth in the team and the following scenario happens I think we will be dangerous next year. A team with Adams returning and hopefully Larrier. No defections from Diarra, Cobb, Carlton, Or Whaley. no decommitments from our incoming. Then add a healthy Gilbert, Wilson and Vitale and that’s a team to be excited about. Will you spend your money on that team?
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Will we still be playing Tulane, ECU and Temple? ..... I think your hopes are very optimistic. I don't see either Adams or Larrier coming back and don't think Gilbert will ever play meaningful minutes again. We also still won't have more than a project big man in the middle. So probably not.
 
imno1 said:
I gave you a like because I understand your point of view. But I’m optimistic about the future. We might not make the tournament this year but if we see growth in the team and the following scenario happens I think we will be dangerous next year. A team with Adams returning and hopefully Larrier. No defections from Diarra, Cobb, Carlton, Or Whaley. no decommitments from our incoming. Then add a healthy Gilbert, Wilson and Vitale and that’s a team to be excited about. Will you spend your money on that team?
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And Polley/Sidney along with the 3 frosh, I would run with that. Of course Adams and Larrier coming back is a huge question mark, though if they have next level dreams it would be best.
 
I don't care about results as much as process, and with Ollie there's never a process. It's just a collection of individuals.

You can best see this in the offense, which is always the same thing: high screen, spread the floor and drive. We are easy to prepare for because we have nothing else in the tank beyond that - we just haven't been coached.

It's just as flagrant on the defensive end. Any sort of good ball movement puts us in the blender because, again, we haven't been coached. Our guys do not rotate, do not cover for each other, do not understand how to protect the 3-point line, and give up tons of layups.

Good passing teams (SMU) just eat us up. Wichita State will win by 20+.

I wanted Ollie to be the guy, but he's not. None of the awful stuff we've seen over the last 3 seasons is going to change.
 
Matrim55 said:
I don't care about results as much as process, and with Ollie there's never a process. It's just a collection of individuals.

You can best see this in the offense, which is always the same thing: high screen, spread the floor and drive. We are easy to prepare for because we have nothing else in the tank beyond that - we just haven't been coached.

It's just as flagrant on the defensive end. Any sort of good ball movement puts us in the blender because, again, we haven't been coached. Our guys do not rotate, do not cover for each other, do not understand how to protect the 3-point line, and give up tons of layups.

Good passing teams (SMU) just eat us up. Wichita State will win by 20+.

I wanted Ollie to be the guy, but he's not. None of the awful stuff we've seen over the last 3 seasons is going to change.
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And worse, the pride and effort still aren't there, even with a bunch of supposedly lunch-pail, high-motor players.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
And worse, the pride and effort still aren't there, even with a bunch of supposedly lunch-pail, high-motor players.
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Hard to be a lunchpail guy when the guy setting the bar is a "last one in, first one out" type of boss.
 
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