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I agree that you have no idea who is giving and to whom else they are giving to. But my daughter has a friend going to SMU in fall. I've always heard what a rich school SMU is so I was a bit surprised that the school's endowment per student is adequate, but not spectacular. The endowment per student is only ahead of Miami and Syracuse amongst the ACC private schools. I guess if you can make a few calls and come up with $159mm for a pet project the endowment isn't as important though.

SMU has the perception of being a rich school but the endowment does not reflect this. Endowments of some of SMU's aspirational. actual, and ACC peers, 2024 (in billions)

Stanford: $36.49
Notre Dame: $16.61
Duke : $13.23
Virginia: $9.80
Vanderbilt: $9.68
USC: $7.46
Rice: $7.24
Pitt: $5.48
UNC: $5.20
BC: $3.50
Georgia Tech: $2.94
TCU: $2.57
Tulane: $2.10
SMU: $2.04
Baylor: $1.96
Wake Forest: $1.90
Syracuse $1.89
Miami: $1.36
 
So who are UConn's wealthiest alums and the ones we have tapped into for sports? The only names I ever hear are Dan Toscano, Robert Skinner, Trisha Bailey, Mark D'Amelio.
 
So who are UConn's wealthiest alums and the ones we have tapped into for sports? The only names I ever hear are Dan Toscano, Robert Skinner, Trisha Bailey, Mark D'Amelio.
Ray Allen ... but in all seriousness, the big-time wealth in CT did not go to their state school ... their money goes to Ivy Leagues and exclusive elite private schools. UConn has always been a budget/best value state school that just recently changed its approach in favor of money over the state via international students... many of whom I've been told from attendees are wealthy and from China... and occupy the most expensive parts of campus like downtown storrs.... which let's be honest, was not added to attract in-state students...
 
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In your conversations with other SMU alumni, how do they feel about the hole "will join and you don't have to pay us" negotiation position taken by SMU?

Clearly their thoughts are that they will write the AD another big check.

Duh.
 
So who are UConn's wealthiest alums and the ones we have tapped into for sports? The only names I ever hear are Dan Toscano, Robert Skinner, Trisha Bailey, Mark D'Amelio.
Burton, Shenkman, Werth.
 
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The fact smu has this money from their donors is appalling in a way.

They don’t want to fund something a little more impactful?

I am in the same place. That “donations” will be earmarked to compensate many athletes who will be making significant money in college and in their professional careers is a bit perverse.

Won’t be my money……that’s for sure.
 
I am in the same place. That “donations” will be earmarked to compensate many athletes who will be making significant money in college and in their professional careers is a bit perverse.

Won’t be my money……that’s for sure.
Great news it is your decision where you donate your money. However do not complain if UConn football is always mediocre.
 
SMU has the perception of being a rich school but the endowment does not reflect this. Endowments of some of SMU's aspirational. actual, and ACC peers, 2024 (in billions)

Stanford: $36.49
Notre Dame: $16.61
Duke : $13.23
Virginia: $9.80
Vanderbilt: $9.68
USC: $7.46
Rice: $7.24
Pitt: $5.48
UNC: $5.20
BC: $3.50
Georgia Tech: $2.94
TCU: $2.57
Tulane: $2.10
SMU: $2.04
Baylor: $1.96
Wake Forest: $1.90
Syracuse $1.89
Miami: $1.36
You forgot to list VT, NC State, and Louisville all in ACC which all have smaller Endowments than SMU.
 
In your conversations with other SMU alumni, how do they feel about the hole "will join and you don't have to pay us" negotiation position taken by SMU?
I believe SMU is getting some money, more than what they got in the AAC. It’s still a small fraction of a normal payout. The SMU alumni are super rich. To many of them, the money is insignificant. They just want to be in a power conference no matter what it takes. I’m just a regular alumnus/fan and am grateful for all they’ve done. It should be a good year. I think 7-5 is a real possibility, maybe better.
 
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SMU has the perception of being a rich school but the endowment does not reflect this. Endowments of some of SMU's aspirational. actual, and ACC peers, 2024 (in billions)

Stanford: $36.49
Notre Dame: $16.61
Duke : $13.23
Virginia: $9.80
Vanderbilt: $9.68
USC: $7.46
Rice: $7.24
Pitt: $5.48
UNC: $5.20
BC: $3.50
Georgia Tech: $2.94
TCU: $2.57
Tulane: $2.10
SMU: $2.04
Baylor: $1.96
Wake Forest: $1.90
Syracuse $1.89
Miami: $1.36
Some giving depends on the success of the athletic department. SMU was in the football wilderness for 37 years. It will take time to catch up to some others. Football is a priority for many donors and that will make the situation better in the coming years.
 
I am in the same place. That “donations” will be earmarked to compensate many athletes who will be making significant money in college and in their professional careers is a bit perverse.

Won’t be my money……that’s for sure.
In this new era of college football, you need to lean on your alumni/supporter donors for the $$.
 

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The fact smu has this money from their donors is appalling in a way.

They don’t want to fund something a little more impactful?

Really? Do you know anything about SMU?

They don’t want for funding in any way. It’s a big country club for people that are already wealthy.
 
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a bit off topic but ….. in hindsight I believe that the NCAA went too far when it imposed the 2 year “death penalty” against SMU.

There were other less severe steps it could have imposed to penalize the school for its lack of institutional control.

Let me know the next time the hypothetical NCAA takes an adverse position agains UNC, Duke, ND, or any of its other sacred blue bloods.
 
Proof that some (or many) G5 schools can compete if given a chance.
Yes and no…. SMU has a more committed donor base than many schools, decent history/branding to fall back on, great local recruiting footprint, etc… it’s certainly going to help them elevate the caliber of player that they are getting, coaches they can afford, etc but they were making significant investments in the program prior to rising up which signaled they could be successful (similarly to Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, TCU, Utah, etc all did before moving up)
 
Proof that some (or many) G5 schools can compete if given a chance.

In the 2025 recruit class On3 team rankings...the highest ranked G5 is USF at #67...which , if in the ACC, would be last in the ACC rankings.

I do think that USF has some advantages in recruiting...and could catch a tail wind.

SMU is riding the tail of an 11 win season and a first place finish in the AAC. They have created a buzz...
 
Yes and no…. SMU has a more committed donor base than many schools, decent history/branding to fall back on, great local recruiting footprint, etc… it’s certainly going to help them elevate the caliber of player that they are getting, coaches they can afford, etc but they were making significant investments in the program prior to rising up which signaled they could be successful (similarly to Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, TCU, Utah, etc all did before moving up)
Yeah I do not think many G5 FBS schools have anywhere remotely close to the support from alumni that SMU has. These boosters basically paid for SMU to get into ACC.
 
a bit off topic but ….. in hindsight I believe that the NCAA went too far when it imposed the 2 year “death penalty” against SMU.

There were other less severe steps it could have imposed to penalize the school for its lack of institutional control.

Let me know the next time the hypothetical NCAA takes an adverse position agains UNC, Duke, ND, or any of its other sacred blue bloods.
Yes, it was excessively severe but SMU's actions at that time painted the NCAA into a corner where they needed to either give SMU the punishment both agreed would be applicable if SMU continued or send a message to evereyone that the really won't impose threatened penalties.

Yes, most of the better football schools at that time (and the entiretly of the SWC) had been paying players going back to the depression days. In most cases however, it was done in a blink, blink, nod, nod manner where officials within the schools, athletic departments and leadership of the coaching staffs could claim "I knew nothing about this". SMU had weekly meetings (termed 'board meetings') where school officials (including the president), athletic department officials, members of the coaching staff and boosters discussed the football team's needs, prospective recruits, what they believed would be needed to land these recruits and how to best reach these goals.

Beyond this, they had be caught red handed three times over basically six years and reached an agreement on the third time (to keep the penalty somewhat reasonable) that among other things they would stop paying player, with the next penalty being the death penalty. Within a few weeks of this agreement, someone (likely one of the boosters, working with the school president) resumed payments to a few players that had been promised them a couple years earlier during recruitment. When leadership at the university changed, the payments stopped and the players were told that because of the NCAA ruling, the school could not pay them. One of the players, angry that the payments stopped took the stamped envelopes of the payments he did receive to a local newspaper. If they never paid after the ruling, the player could have complained and SMU sould have responded "Yes, we admitted guilt and agreed there would be no further payment.". As they violated the agreement, the NCAA had little choice but to impose the death penalty.
 
Losing that FB game (blowing it) when they came back from the death penalty is arguably one of, if not the worst losses, ever. Not BB Denham Brown and the Mason loss bad, or Tate almost tipping that ball against Duke, but bad.
 
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Fund-raising campaign accounting is often loose at best. How much of that money is in cash today as opposed to pledges over 9 years? How much of that would they have gotten anyway? If I give $2M per year and commit to $18M over 9 years, you can be damn sure they'll announce that as an $18M gift and ignore the fact that it was actually net break-even in terms of the actual impact.
 
Yes, it was excessively severe but SMU's actions at that time painted the NCAA into a corner where they needed to either give SMU the punishment both agreed would be applicable if SMU continued or send a message to evereyone that the really won't impose threatened penalties.

Yes, most of the better football schools at that time (and the entiretly of the SWC) had been paying players going back to the depression days. In most cases however, it was done in a blink, blink, nod, nod manner where officials within the schools, athletic departments and leadership of the coaching staffs could claim "I knew nothing about this". SMU had weekly meetings (termed 'board meetings') where school officials (including the president), athletic department officials, members of the coaching staff and boosters discussed the football team's needs, prospective recruits, what they believed would be needed to land these recruits and how to best reach these goals.

Beyond this, they had be caught red handed three times over basically six years and reached an agreement on the third time (to keep the penalty somewhat reasonable) that among other things they would stop paying player, with the next penalty being the death penalty. Within a few weeks of this agreement, someone (likely one of the boosters, working with the school president) resumed payments to a few players that had been promised them a couple years earlier during recruitment. When leadership at the university changed, the payments stopped and the players were told that because of the NCAA ruling, the school could not pay them. One of the players, angry that the payments stopped took the stamped envelopes of the payments he did receive to a local newspaper. If they never paid after the ruling, the player could have complained and SMU sould have responded "Yes, we admitted guilt and agreed there would be no further payment.". As they violated the agreement, the NCAA had little choice but to impose the death penalty.
What hurt SMU was the Dallas media, which hated SMU. They went after SMU like a pack of wild dogs. Whereas the media in Austin played along with Texas, the media in Houston played along with A&M, the media in OKC played along with Oklahoma.
 
Losing that FB game (blowing it) when they came back from the death penalty is arguably one of, if not the worst losses, ever. Not BB Denham Brown and the Mason loss bad, or Tate almost tipping that ball against Duke, but bad.
I was there.
 
a bit off topic but ….. in hindsight I believe that the NCAA went too far when it imposed the 2 year “death penalty” against SMU.

There were other less severe steps it could have imposed to penalize the school for its lack of institutional control.

Let me know the next time the hypothetical NCAA takes an adverse position agains UNC, Duke, ND, or any of its other sacred blue bloods.
Smu should be a d3 school with its size and profile. It’s an elite academic institution. Not a football power.
 
Fund-raising campaign accounting is often loose at best. How much of that money is in cash today as opposed to pledges over 9 years? How much of that would they have gotten anyway? If I give $2M per year and commit to $18M over 9 years, you can be damn sure they'll announce that as an $18M gift and ignore the fact that it was actually net break-even in terms of the actual impact.
I announce it as $18m. That’s only way to do it.

You can always borrow against future donation. lol. That is dangerous, however.
 
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