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Their list of notable alumni is impressive and massive.

Collectively the school and the alums were smart enough to see that they were better off making nothing in a shaky ACC than they are making next to nothing in the AAC.

Calling them a DIII school is straight up crazy. I honestly sometime wonder about the people that post here. If they are DIII then so is basically every other current FBS private school. Their undergrad and grad enrollment is bigger than Wake’s. I agree that their academics probably isn’t as good, but also that simply doesn’t matter at all.
I agree. I think your only disagreement with my comments is saying his take isn’t crazy. I don’t think I fully noticed the DIII comment. That is on the crazy side. There are plenty of solid to elite academic schools that are also strong D1 programs. And SMU has the money and interest to be better than them. And DIII is a big drop from even bad D1. Heck, even the Patriot League is D1 with strong academic schools!
 
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I agree. I think your only disagreement with my comments is saying his take isn’t crazy. I don’t think I fully noticed the DIII comment. That is on the crazy side. There are plenty of solid to elite academic schools that are also strong D1 programs. And SMU has the money and interest to be better than them. And DIII is a big drop from even bad D1. Heck, even the Patriot League is D1 with strong academic schools!

DIII is what is crazy. At a minimum it’s not serious.
 
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DIII is what is crazy. At a minimum it’s not serious.
Calling smu a d3 school is idiotic. Their program stumbled because of the death penalty and the demise of their league shortly afterwards when the SEC and B8/12 split the SWC apart.

SMU is relevant because they have rich donors and the current era enables schools to thrive based on having more money than sense. They could very well pass a lot of programs real quick. Anybody who has been around long enough SHOULD understand that.
 

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Is it? The entire college football world did fine without SMU for the last 30 years.

Why suddenly do we need them?

They bring nothing to the table except a pile of cash from super wealthy oil barons.

They are new money wake forest.
Please stop talking. You’re in over your head here.
 

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a bit off topic but ….. in hindsight I believe that the NCAA went too far when it imposed the 2 year “death penalty” against SMU.

There were other less severe steps it could have imposed to penalize the school for its lack of institutional control.

Let me know the next time the hypothetical NCAA takes an adverse position agains UNC, Duke, ND, or any of its other sacred blue bloods.
They’ll just punish Cal Tech.
 

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Yes, it was excessively severe but SMU's actions at that time painted the NCAA into a corner where they needed to either give SMU the punishment both agreed would be applicable if SMU continued or send a message to evereyone that the really won't impose threatened penalties.

Yes, most of the better football schools at that time (and the entiretly of the SWC) had been paying players going back to the depression days. In most cases however, it was done in a blink, blink, nod, nod manner where officials within the schools, athletic departments and leadership of the coaching staffs could claim "I knew nothing about this". SMU had weekly meetings (termed 'board meetings') where school officials (including the president), athletic department officials, members of the coaching staff and boosters discussed the football team's needs, prospective recruits, what they believed would be needed to land these recruits and how to best reach these goals.

Beyond this, they had be caught red handed three times over basically six years and reached an agreement on the third time (to keep the penalty somewhat reasonable) that among other things they would stop paying player, with the next penalty being the death penalty. Within a few weeks of this agreement, someone (likely one of the boosters, working with the school president) resumed payments to a few players that had been promised them a couple years earlier during recruitment. When leadership at the university changed, the payments stopped and the players were told that because of the NCAA ruling, the school could not pay them. One of the players, angry that the payments stopped took the stamped envelopes of the payments he did receive to a local newspaper. If they never paid after the ruling, the player could have complained and SMU sould have responded "Yes, we admitted guilt and agreed there would be no further payment.". As they violated the agreement, the NCAA had little choice but to impose the death penalty.
They got what they deserved.
 
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SMU's death spared others.

After SMU, there was an unspoken agreement that the death penalty would not again be applied.
 

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Has SMU ever been successful when they weren't cheating? In FB or BB?
 
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Has SMU ever been successful when they weren't cheating? In FB or BB?
Everybody has been cheating in Football since the beginning of time. Could you name a program that has won the national ship in football that has not cheated? Only difference now is football players are getting paid out in the open instead of under the table.
 

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Totally agree. But to call that “purity” is funny. What Boise State is doing is closer to purity.
Purity iscariot relative term. The generation before me (I'm 64) viewed purity as a woman waiting until the wedding night. When I was younger, it was if the relationship was serious and had a decent amount of time invested. Today it comes down to which direction she swiped.

120 years ago, when what are now Ivies dominated college football, they offered a shot at an affluent future to land better players. Most programs that reached the highest level of success after WWII did something that wasn't necessarily above board to get there. Would you call Oregon pure? Alabama?

This time around SMU actually played within the rules. It's likely as close to pure as we'll see these days.
 
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This time around SMU actually played within the rules. It's likely as close to pure as we'll see these days.
Another way of putting it might be that there have never been any rules. You can't have rules when nobody owns anything, because it means nobody is in charge. Ensuring the biggest money-makers the ability to make money is really the only governing principle the sport's ever had. SMU's never fallen into that camp, which, depending on your perspective, is either the reason it had to cheat or the reason it got caught.

I'm skeptical of SMU's staying power, even now, for exactly that reason. It's not in the best interests of the networks for the richest donors to have this much power because it threatens the carefully crafted branding alliance of the P2. I expect this perceived "dirty money" - in other words, money that does not flow directly from the school's natural revenue stream - to be outlawed as part of the coming P2 CBA, thereby allowing it to retain its autonomy to nuke an outsider like SMU or Memphis whenever it wants.

The only way to overcome this type of collusion is to outright buy off the sport. And I don't think they have that type of money.
 
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Another way of putting it might be that there have never been any rules. You can't have rules when nobody owns anything, because it means nobody is in charge. Ensuring the biggest money-makers the ability to make money is really the only governing principle the sport's ever had. SMU's never fallen into that camp, which, depending on your perspective, is either the reason it had to cheat or the reason it got caught.

I'm skeptical of SMU's staying power, even now, for exactly that reason. It's not in the best interests of the networks for the richest donors to have this much power because it threatens the carefully crafted branding alliance of the P2. I expect this perceived "dirty money" - in other words, money that does not flow directly from the school's natural revenue stream - to be outlawed as part of the coming P2 CBA, thereby allowing it to retain its autonomy to nuke an outsider like SMU or Memphis whenever it wants.

The only way to overcome this type of collusion is to outright buy off the sport. And I don't think they have that type of money.
SMU is a funny case. Yes, the donors put up the $, but they are not going to get any media revenues from the ACC which I think will become a problem as revenue sharing comes into play. And, look at this year's 2 deep. On offense, 10/11 starters were transfers as well as 6 of the second string. On defense, 11/11 starters were transfers as well as 5 second stringers. And the punter was a transfer. I just don't think that is a LT recipe for success even in the portal era.
 
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SMU is a funny case. Yes, the donors put up the $, but they are not going to get any media revenues from the ACC which I think will become a problem as revenue sharing comes into play. And, look at this year's 2 deep. On offense, 10/11 starters were transfers as well as 6 of the second string. On defense, 11/11 starters were transfers as well as 5 second stringers. And the punter was a transfer. I just don't think that is a LT recipe for success even in the portal era.

I think if you are SMU or one of the many programs like SMU I think that is exactly the recipe for success.
 
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Why don't people understand that the secret to success in the current era is a boatload of money and a reasonably competent administration? SMU has both.
 
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I think if you are SMU or one of the many programs like SMU I think that is exactly the recipe for success.
FSU tried it, but not to the scale of SMU and it blew up this year. You can fill in roster spots each year, but you can't flip almost the entire roster each year and be successful.
 
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FSU tried it, but not to the scale of SMU and it blew up this year. You can fill in roster spots each year, but you can't flip almost the entire roster each year and be successful.

The best talent almost always wins.......
 

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