Singare…

[Inyatkin]

I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing guys like you shading Hurley even though we're in the middle of the most successful run in program history.

He's mad Hurley doesn't scream at people more. I guess we'd have more titles if he did?

 

[Shamon30]

Maybe he likes Tubby Smith

 

[Scrutineer]

The Engineering and Society Class was taught by the engineer who headed the Task Force that investigated the HCC roof collapse.
When we had to draw and indicate a certain number of features to a cable bridge one of the players put a car on the bridge and labeled that, in addition to the cables, anchors , towers etc. The professor was very transparent and told the entire class he was giving credit for the car, since it showed creative thinking etc. Everyone, had a good laugh (except for you if you were in the class) and no one complained. I learned so much in that class. The professor was brilliant.
Again, my point is UConn had certain professors who actually were tough on athletes. Hence, the grade issue. Your UNC did not have to deal with any accountable grade issue, since their players got A’s in classes that did not exist.

uNC's violations were so egregious UConn was almost given the death penalty because of them............I know, old joke, but I couldn't help it.

What follows is my best recollection of what transpired due to the academic fraud perpetrated at uNC for 18 years, beginning under the exalted Dean Smith in 1993.

As an aside, Smith won 2 NC's: the first in 1984 when Fred Brown of Georgetown passed the ball to Michael Jordan at the end of the game, negating any chance for G-Town to have the last shot, and in 1993 when Chris Webber called a timeout when Michigan had none. Very fitting in view of how crooked that school was shown to be, and not only with their 18 years of fake Afro Studies courses. See the in depth violation summaries in Wikipedia: University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia

The NCAA purposely dragged out their review of the allegations of academic fraud, hoping no one would pay attention, and a year or more later tried to finesse it as "nothing to see here".

They were foiled when Rashad McCant's sister, Rashada, who had played on the uNC women's team filed, along with a football team member, a lawsuit alleging uNC cheated them out of the education they'd been promised.
Their allegation was they were forced into worthless classes that never met and only required a "paper" to be submitted at the end of the semester. Their "papers" were then graded by an admin person in the athletic dept as I recall.

Because of the bad PR from the filing of the lawsuit, the NCAA reopened the case and took a very long time to review the allegations and evidence, ostensibly because it was a complex case but more likely because it took a long time to figure out how to do nothing while claiming to have carried out an exhausting review.

Voila, they got very creative, and came up with a reason they (the NCAA) had no jurisdiction over academics in such a case and it had been adjudicated by the SACSCOC, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges which gave uNC one year of probation. Had they lost accreditation they would have lost all Federal grants and other penalties.......can't have that with Dookie Vitale pumping up the ACC!

So, in the end, uNC got away with 18 years of fake classes called Afro and African American Studies. There were no actual classes where a teacher imparted knowledge to the students, only "self study". In addition, there were no exams, only "papers" to be submitted at the end of the academic period. Conveniently, there was a university database complete with previously submitted "papers" that could be easily downloaded and re-submitted as new work once a few cosmetic changes were made.

For all that (and more) there were no penalties levied on uNC's athletic department, nor on any of the teams, because the NCAA said they had no jurisdiction. All matters related to academics were the purview of the SACSSOC.

Kind of makes you wonder how they had jurisdiction over Calhoun and UConn over the APR.............they'd probably say that the APR was the NCAA's measure not that of an accrediting body.

 

[Scrutineer]

Keep in mind that Syracuse also had an APR violation and received what was then the standard punishment a loss of scholarship. Connecticut, also received a loss of scholarship, but then received a second punishment for the same year set to a new standard of loss of postseason play. The NCAA changed the rules and applied them, retroactively, punishing UConn twice for the same violation. But it gets even worse than that. The NCAA ignored Connecticut, current APR and applied only prior APR's because "other institutions wouldn't have time to put their APR together". What the hell does that even mean? How is that even vaguely relevant to Connecticut?

That debacle was the biggest bull crap event ever. For someone to come on this board and suggest that somehow that sequence of events shows that Jim Calhoun was a bad coach might well be the stupidest statement ever made on The Boneyard, and that is saying an awful lot.

I recall the NCAA said since some schools were on tri-mesters and others on quarters while UConn was on the semester system, not all the others had submitted their data so they couldn't accept the UConn's players most recent semester results.

As you say it made no sense but gave them cover to beat UConn up.

 

[Chief00]

uNC's violations were so egregious UConn was almost given the death penalty because of them............I know, old joke, but I couldn't help it.

What follows is my best recollection of what transpired due to the academic fraud perpetrated at uNC for 18 years, beginning under the exalted Dean Smith in 1993.

As an aside, Smith won 2 NC's: the first in 1984 when Fred Brown of Georgetown passed the ball to Michael Jordan at the end of the game, negating any chance for G-Town to have the last shot, and in 1993 when Chris Webber called a timeout when Michigan had none. Very fitting in view of how crooked that school was shown to be, and not only with their 18 years of fake Afro Studies courses. See the in depth violation summaries in Wikipedia: University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia

The NCAA purposely dragged out their review of the allegations of academic fraud, hoping no one would pay attention, and a year or more later tried to finesse it as "nothing to see here".

They were foiled when Rashad McCant's sister, Rashada, who had played on the uNC women's team filed, along with a football team member, a lawsuit alleging uNC cheated them out of the education they'd been promised.
Their allegation was they were forced into worthless classes that never met and only required a "paper" to be submitted at the end of the semester. Their "papers" were then graded by an admin person in the athletic dept as I recall.

Because of the bad PR from the filing of the lawsuit, the NCAA was forced to reopen the case and again took a very long time to review the allegations and evidence, ostensibly because it was a complex case but more likely because it took a long time to figure out how to do nothing while claiming to have carried out an exhausting review.

Voila, they got very creative, and came up with a reason they (the NCAA) had no jurisdiction over academics in such a case and it had been adjudicated by the SACSCOC, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges which gave uNC one year of probation. Had they lost accreditation they would have lost all Federal grants and other penalties.......can't have that with Dookie Vitale pumping up the ACC!

So, in the end, uNC got away with 18 years of fake classes called Afro and African American Studies. There were no actual classes where a teacher imparted knowledge to the students, only "self study". In addition, there were no exams, only "papers" to be submitted at the end of the academic period. Conveniently, there was a university database complete with previously submitted "papers" that could be easily downloaded and re-submitted as new work once a few cosmetic changes were made.

For all that (and more) there were no penalties levied on uNC's athletic department, nor on any of the teams, because the NCAA said they had no jurisdiction. All matters related to academics were the purview of the SACSSOC.

Kind of makes you wonder how they had jurisdiction over Calhoun and UConn over the APR.............they'd probably say that the APR was the NCAA's measure not that of an accrediting body.

Thank you - good write/up.

 

[diggerfoot]

Willingham was the only one that was ever "third string". As a freshman he appeared in fewer games than Singare did, and as a senior he appeared in 24. Not exactly "magically weaving minutes".

Donyell Marshall was the four. Knight was the starter at the 5. The other three were rotated in mainly at the 5, not the 4, in the year that they all played together. Though King played very limited minutes at the 4 as well, inferring that both King and Hayward were 2nd string centers is disingenuous per the discussion, but have it your way.. Calhoun found good minutes for three different players at the five, one first string, two ”second string,” with one “third string” getting some minutes as well.

 

[CL82]

I recall the NCAA said since some schools were on tri-mesters and others on quarters while UConn was on the semester system, not all the others had submitted their data so they couldn't accept the UConn's players most recent semester results.

As you say it made no sense but gave them cover to beat UConn up.

Exactly. If you're evaluating whether Connecticut is meeting a standard, whether other schools had put together there academic information yet or not had zero relevance.

 

[CL82]

uNC's violations were so egregious UConn was almost given the death penalty because of them............I know, old joke, but I couldn't help it.

What follows is my best recollection of what transpired due to the academic fraud perpetrated at uNC for 18 years, beginning under the exalted Dean Smith in 1993.

As an aside, Smith won 2 NC's: the first in 1984 when Fred Brown of Georgetown passed the ball to Michael Jordan at the end of the game, negating any chance for G-Town to have the last shot, and in 1993 when Chris Webber called a timeout when Michigan had none. Very fitting in view of how crooked that school was shown to be, and not only with their 18 years of fake Afro Studies courses. See the in depth violation summaries in Wikipedia: University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia

The NCAA purposely dragged out their review of the allegations of academic fraud, hoping no one would pay attention, and a year or more later tried to finesse it as "nothing to see here".

They were foiled when Rashad McCant's sister, Rashada, who had played on the uNC women's team filed, along with a football team member, a lawsuit alleging uNC cheated them out of the education they'd been promised.
Their allegation was they were forced into worthless classes that never met and only required a "paper" to be submitted at the end of the semester. Their "papers" were then graded by an admin person in the athletic dept as I recall.

Because of the bad PR from the filing of the lawsuit, the NCAA reopened the case and took a very long time to review the allegations and evidence, ostensibly because it was a complex case but more likely because it took a long time to figure out how to do nothing while claiming to have carried out an exhausting review.

Voila, they got very creative, and came up with a reason they (the NCAA) had no jurisdiction over academics in such a case and it had been adjudicated by the SACSCOC, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges which gave uNC one year of probation. Had they lost accreditation they would have lost all Federal grants and other penalties.......can't have that with Dookie Vitale pumping up the ACC!

So, in the end, uNC got away with 18 years of fake classes called Afro and African American Studies. There were no actual classes where a teacher imparted knowledge to the students, only "self study". In addition, there were no exams, only "papers" to be submitted at the end of the academic period. Conveniently, there was a university database complete with previously submitted "papers" that could be easily downloaded and re-submitted as new work once a few cosmetic changes were made.

For all that (and more) there were no penalties levied on uNC's athletic department, nor on any of the teams, because the NCAA said they had no jurisdiction. All matters related to academics were the purview of the SACSSOC.

Kind of makes you wonder how they had jurisdiction over Calhoun and UConn over the APR.............they'd probably say that the APR was the NCAA's measure not that of an accrediting body.

Nice summary. The only thing that I would add is that according to my recollection, UNC told the NCAA that the issue was an academic issue and thus out of their purview. Essentially, universities have the right to set their own criteria, and as long as the university doesn't apply that criteria in consistently the athletes… Whatever it is, it is. Yet when they got their academic review, they said that the fake classes were entirely an athletic issue and thus outside of the purview of the board reviewing its academics. Yep, they took directly contradictory positions between the two reviewing organizations saying that each lacked jurisdiction to review the issue. Both accepted that because the consequences to UNC for academic and athletic fraud would've caused blowback to them. Instead, they just looked the other way.

 

[gsmooth]

uNC's violations were so egregious UConn was almost given the death penalty because of them............I know, old joke, but I couldn't help it.

What follows is my best recollection of what transpired due to the academic fraud perpetrated at uNC for 18 years, beginning under the exalted Dean Smith in 1993.

As an aside, Smith won 2 NC's: the first in 1984 when Fred Brown of Georgetown passed the ball to Michael Jordan at the end of the game, negating any chance for G-Town to have the last shot, and in 1993 when Chris Webber called a timeout when Michigan had none. Very fitting in view of how crooked that school was shown to be, and not only with their 18 years of fake Afro Studies courses. See the in depth violation summaries in Wikipedia: University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia

The NCAA purposely dragged out their review of the allegations of academic fraud, hoping no one would pay attention, and a year or more later tried to finesse it as "nothing to see here".

They were foiled when Rashad McCant's sister, Rashada, who had played on the uNC women's team filed, along with a football team member, a lawsuit alleging uNC cheated them out of the education they'd been promised.
Their allegation was they were forced into worthless classes that never met and only required a "paper" to be submitted at the end of the semester. Their "papers" were then graded by an admin person in the athletic dept as I recall.

Because of the bad PR from the filing of the lawsuit, the NCAA reopened the case and took a very long time to review the allegations and evidence, ostensibly because it was a complex case but more likely because it took a long time to figure out how to do nothing while claiming to have carried out an exhausting review.

Voila, they got very creative, and came up with a reason they (the NCAA) had no jurisdiction over academics in such a case and it had been adjudicated by the SACSCOC, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges which gave uNC one year of probation. Had they lost accreditation they would have lost all Federal grants and other penalties.......can't have that with Dookie Vitale pumping up the ACC!

So, in the end, uNC got away with 18 years of fake classes called Afro and African American Studies. There were no actual classes where a teacher imparted knowledge to the students, only "self study". In addition, there were no exams, only "papers" to be submitted at the end of the academic period. Conveniently, there was a university database complete with previously submitted "papers" that could be easily downloaded and re-submitted as new work once a few cosmetic changes were made.

For all that (and more) there were no penalties levied on uNC's athletic department, nor on any of the teams, because the NCAA said they had no jurisdiction. All matters related to academics were the purview of the SACSSOC.

Kind of makes you wonder how they had jurisdiction over Calhoun and UConn over the APR.............they'd probably say that the APR was the NCAA's measure not that of an accrediting body.

 

[Excalibur]

Donyell Marshall was the four. Knight was the starter at the 5. The other three were rotated in mainly at the 5, not the 4, in the year that they all played together. Though King played very limited minutes at the 4 as well, inferring that both King and Hayward were 2nd string centers is disingenuous per the discussion, but have it your way.. Calhoun found good minutes for three different players at the five, one first string, two ”second string,” with one “third string” getting some minutes as well.

Freshman King played almost all of his minutes at the 4 as Donyell's backup. It's no mystery why Donyell averaged 34 minutes and King just over 6. Heyward was the primary backup at the 5, and Willingham played about as much as Singare did.

 

[Husky Alien]

Best of luck to you Singare. I know I will be catching up on some High Point games this comming season. Kill it Y.S.

 

[YukonDolt6]

He’s 7 feet, been in the system 2 years, knows the culture and we need a backup big.
If they don’t bring in someone with more size and experience, better, it doesn’t make sense. Wish they would’ve played him in between the other guys constant foul trouble. And I know it’s old news, but Calhoun would’ve masterly weaved minutes for Singare, in between Samson and Reeds foul trouble. He was the best at that.

Calhoun was overrated. I used to think he was the goat but now it's clear that anybody can win a championship at UConn.

 

[CL82]

Calhoun was overrated. I used to think he was the goat but now it's clear that anybody can win a championship at UConn.

 

[gsmooth]

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Even as 6-8 boy I would read these puff pieces about Dom Perno and my reaction would be , "WTF?". He was not good to say the least.

 

[CL82]

Even as 6-8 boy I would read these puff pieces about Dom Perno and my reaction would be , "WTF?". He was not good to say the least.

Super nice guy, just not the best coach.

 

[Shamon30]

Donyell Marshall was the four. Knight was the starter at the 5. The other three were rotated in mainly at the 5, not the 4, in the year that they all played together. Though King played very limited minutes at the 4 as well, inferring that both King and Hayward were 2nd string centers is disingenuous per the discussion, but have it your way.. Calhoun found good minutes for three different players at the five, one first string, two ”second string,” with one “third string” getting some minutes as well.

As I remember, Willingham played more than King in 93-94.

 

[Excalibur]

As I remember, Willingham played more than King in 93-94.

You remember wrong. Willingham, a junior, averaged 6.1 minutes. King, a freshman, averaged 6.7. Willingham's minutes peaked as a sophomore on a team that had no reliable center after Walker departed at the start of the year -- Knight was a freshman and not ready, Hayward was really limited, and Boo even more so.

 

[Shamon30]

You remember wrong. Willingham, a junior, averaged 6.1 minutes. King, a freshman, averaged 6.7. Willingham's minutes peaked as a sophomore on a team that had no reliable center after Walker departed at the start of the year -- Knight was a freshman and not ready, Hayward was really limited, and Boo even more so.

When you're wrong, you're wrong. Or in this case when I'm wrong, but you get the point. I liked it when Calhoun let Boo start on senior night in 95, even though he was yanked after a minute or so into the game. I was hoping that tradition would continue, as I wanted to see Ruslan Inyatkin and Kyle Chapman get the start in 97, but it didn't happen.

 

[Excalibur]

When you're wrong, you're wrong. Or in this case when I'm wrong, but you get the point. I liked it when Calhoun let Boo start on senior night in 95, even though he was yanked after a minute or so into the game. I was hoping that tradition would continue, as I wanted to see Ruslan Inyatkin and Kyle Chapman get the start in 97, but it didn't happen.

Apologies for the unnecessarily snarky response.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Calhoun was overrated. I used to think he was the goat but now it's clear that anybody can win a championship at UConn.

 

[Shamon30]

Apologies for the unnecessarily snarky response.

No need, it didn't come off snarky to me