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SI: How Kevin Ollie Could Contest UConn's 'Just Cause' Firing

whaler11 said:
Rich famous divorced guy plows through single women. Film at 11.
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I didn't want to go there, but recently divorced guy trying to score some ass doesn't seem overly egregious to me. Sorry it just doesnt.

And your other point is also true. Kevin Ollie had enough success early on that he will get offered another college job if he wants it. He seems to have gotten lazy and complacent here and it cost him. He is young enough, and had enough initial success he can start over at a low or mid major and make his way back up the ladder if he chooses to do so. Just can't be lazy and complacent.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
What further damage? UConn trashed his reputation when they fired him for cause.

I know there is a lot of Ollie hate on this board and posters think that because they don't like Ollie that UConn doesn't have to pay him, but that is not how contracts or negotiations work.
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So you really think anyone thinks that?

In any event by the same measure, just because people remember Ollie fondly as a player and as coach of the 2014 championship team doesn't mean that his (well documented) obligations don't exist or should be forgiven. The standard for "just cause" termination are clear and expressly include the failure to comply NCAA rules (or the failure to correct subordinates' non-compliance after proper notice.)

Ignoring that language "isn't how contracts work."
 
JMick said:
Lol @ the idea that it only happened when get got divorced
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LOL @ the idea anyone cares.

The NBA is like Sodom and Gomorrah. When they publish surveys that 80% of the WIVES cheat imagine what it is like.

I have friends who worked for teams in positions where you have to deal with the groupies. It’s a circus.
 
noeynox said:
I didn't want to go there, but recently divorced guy trying to score some ass doesn't seem overly egregious to me. Sorry it just doesnt.

And your other point is also true. Kevin Ollie had enough success early on that he will get offered another college job if he wants it. He seems to have gotten lazy and complacent here and it cost him. He is young enough, and had enough initial success he can start over at a low or mid major and make his way back up the ladder if he chooses to do so. Just can't be lazy and complacent.
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But if your issue is being lazy and complacient... don’t you really want your $11 million so you don’t have to work?
 
whaler11 said:
LOL @ the idea anyone cares.

The NBA is like Sodom and Gomorrah. When they publish surveys that 80% of the WIVES cheat imagine what it is like.

I have friends who worked for teams in positions where you have to deal with the groupies. It’s a circus.
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Almost all of them avoid letting those pursuits get in the way of doing their jobs. Ollie didn’t.
 
August_West said:
If UConn doesnt offer him an acceptable deal he would be mind numbingly stupid to not fight this tooth and nail.
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Kind of. It is probably in his best interest to reach a negotiated settlement unless he was fully in compliance with NCAA rules, in which case someone at UConn should probably be fired.

In any event, this initial appeal just earned him more salary, at least in the union's worldview. I suspect that KO will delay through the Herbst appeal and then settle.
 
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Public humiliation is what Ollie is enduring currently, and it wouldn't be fair "when the rabbit get the gun." Dave Benedict and Susan Herbst may have to resign because of the mess this may cause. Ollie, if clean, I believe will fight this until the end unless they fire him and give him his money to avoid humiliation (I don't think this is about money right now). He will make sure Herbst and Benedict get a taste of public humiliation. If Ollie is clear from any wrongdoing the media will kill Benedict and Herbst for
1. deceitfully using the “just cause” classification to fire Ollie so that it can avoid paying Ollie the remainder of his contract;
2. • UConn has damaged Ollie’s name by depicting him as corrupt and have made it impossible for him to land a similar coaching position;

The NCAA may finally give UCONN a break and announce that Coach Ollie and UCONN men's basketball didn't commit any infractions. They will then sit and watch from the sidelines as UCONN' brain trust dig themselves there graves.
 
whaler11 said:
LOL @ the idea anyone cares.

The NBA is like Sodom and Gomorrah. When they publish surveys that 80% of the WIVES cheat imagine what it is like.

I have friends who worked for teams in positions where you have to deal with the groupies. It’s a circus.
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Tiger Woods? Dudes rep was destroyed for years
 
Javjudah said:
Public humiliation is what Ollie is enduring currently, and it wouldn't be fair "when the rabbit get the gun." Dave Benedict and Susan Herbst may have to resign because of the mess this may cause. Ollie, if clean, I believe will fight this until the end unless they fire him and give him his money to avoid humiliation (I don't think this is about money right now). He will make sure Herbst and Benedict get a taste of public humiliation. If Ollie is clear from any wrongdoing the media will kill Benedict and Herbst for
1. deceitfully using the “just cause” classification to fire Ollie so that it can avoid paying Ollie the remainder of his contract;
2. • UConn has damaged Ollie’s name by depicting him as corrupt and have made it impossible for him to land a similar coaching position;

The NCAA may finally give UCONN a break and announce that Coach Ollie and UCONN men's basketball didn't commit any infractions. They will then sit and watch from the sidelines as UCONN' brain trust dig themselves there graves.
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You Ollie-annas are so insuferable. I can't wait until this mess is over so all of you can crawl back into your holes
 
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noeynox said:
I really think people are being homers on this one which I get.

Ollie has a contract detailing his payout if terminated. Until we know for sure what the "just cause" is we are all guessing. Every once in a while someone says the hell with a settlement this is about principle. If the just cause turns out to be impermissible practices and too much cream cheese on bagels Uconn looks incredibly bad. Every day this drags on it looks bad for the school. This school needs to get out of the business of buyouts it can't afford to pay without shenanigans.
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Disagree. This is about business. Pure and simple. KO was able to hold the school over a barrel in negotiating the contract and nobody said a word. Now the school is doing the same and is getting crucified? This is a business proposition now.....regardless of how it looks or smells. And in NO WAY will it scare off another coach. As I've said before, it's happening at other big time schools as we speak! Stop trying to make it personal!
 
CardiffGiant said:
The University could not open the door to negotiations without first taking the legal steps that they had to take, meaning that they had to assert they had the grounds to fire him for cause first before they begin negotiating. If they didn't do that, and they communicated with KO to try to negotiate a buyout first, the grounds for the for cause firing could be considered a pretext(KO could claim that it was just a concocted excuse to fire him when they had already made up they mind to get rid of him without cause) and that would support KO's defense. It is unfortunate that the University had to take the very public and unfortunate first step in firing him for cause, but they really did not have much of a choice.
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THIS........it's VERY simple
 
Javjudah said:
Yes, they had another choice. Fire him, pay him his money and keep it moving.
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Unfortunately, that was not an option. There's no money. So we either bankrupt and shut down the program or we let Ollie finish destroying it. Those are the two options you present. They wisely chose the better option, fire the guy who isn't getting the job done and use everything you can to avoid paying him money the program doesn't have.

None of this is hurting UConn or UConn's reputation. It doesn't "look bad", that's ridiculous. There is zero downside to this for UConn.
 
whaler11 said:
This is an athletic department that lacks the juice to get Corey Edsall settled.

I wouldn’t dream too big on them.
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All of a sudden when it means getting rid of KO the AD is a bunch of masterminds playing the deal game shrewder than Henry Kravis.

I actually hope they are right. But to have full faith in that considering past data points is loco.
 
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I don’t think the university fires Ollie for cause without knowing they would win in the legal battle. That’s why everyone knows it’ll be settled.
 
JMick said:
Lol @ the idea that it only happened when get got divorced
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So what if he was married?

I mean its a bad look but c'mon dude.
Pitino married for 40 years. He wasnt gone for going 15 seconds on a restaurant table. It was for paying players.

Youve totally jumped the shark.
 
HuskyBandDad said:
There are many coaches out there that have done much worse then Ollie who found jobs afterward. Pearl, Petino, Calipari, Sampson , ect.
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Could I ask how we know “there are many coaches out there who have done much worse—who found jobs afterword”. First, on this board, many have concluded it was minor recruiting violations. The fact is, it’s all speculation. There have been many innuendos about his extra curricular activities impacting his coaching, but we really don’t know. Quite a few coaches have been fired for extra curricular activities.
Another fact, yes many of those coaches found jobs afterwords. The ones you mention, however, had pretty successful records , using their own recruits, before they ran into troubles.
Last, Ollie tried to play a pro game without the right talents to run it. Perhaps he can be more successful in the pros.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I don’t think the university fires Ollie for cause without knowing they would win in the legal battle. That’s why everyone knows it’ll be settled.
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@Huskyforlife, If this hasn't been settled yet, then Ollie believes he didn't do any wrong. Should this proceed further we will find out what the "just cause" is.
 
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