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Should we play Tennessee, or not?

Do you want to us to play Tenn play in a regular season game?

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meyers7 said:
Nope. Never want to play TN ever again. EVER. Under any circumstances. Those that do, I do not consider UCONN fans.
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Meyers7--You are a favorite of mine on This Venue. I have questions and a statement for everyone.
1. Statement---Alzheimers do deflect questions---the answers are no longer in their brains.
2. (2) In laws had Alzheimers: one was frugal and 15 years before being diagnosed gave away nearly 1,000,000 dollars --leaving his wife upon his death broke. It came on strong immediately (15 years later) he had 3 car accidents , needed diapers, wrote on walls with his defecation. Fell down a lot, lost his way home. Put in a home costing 12,000 per month--luckily died in 3 months. Other guy ran away from home (multiple times) called for alice (not his wife), his mouth was just plain nasty--nurse left Point is until the bad times no one knew. So I give Pat the benefit of the doubt. Not the Admin or Sports dept of UT or SEC
3. What did UT or Pat say about Maya? All I heard was she had an ESPN Tour--which upset Pat. Beyond that I know nothing
4. Never say Never---It rarely works. Everything in this world changes all the time and so will UT/Holly/or even Geno.
 
msf22b said:
Geno is a fabulous coach, his record stands for itself.
He is a wonderful human being, witty understanding, perceptive and a genius (that always helps).

But deifying him is a mistake; he's made his share of whoppers
Not too many, but because he's a public figure, we get to see his professional gaffes in living color.

When you're making hundred's, thousands of decisions weekly, some off them are going to be cockeyed.
And some folks have more trouble then others doing the Gilda Radner.

So we can support him for his genius w/o being sycophants.

It occurs to me that if he changes his mind about UTenn tomorrow, will all of the nay-sayers immediately reverse course as well?

Sure feels like it.

I

I spent a career hanging around the greatest conductors and soloists in the world and I can't tell you how many times
they had to be assisted in determining reality from an undereducated, no talent, hood from the Bronx.

I'm finished with deifying geniuses.
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I liked what you say. Humans make mistakes, it's part of the species. Everyone makes wrong decisions, no one is perfect, Geno is a super great coach, yet he (really) does make mistakes even in coaching. In politics or relationship matters he would be better off (not taking the flack) by not commenting. But Geno is wired with a gigantic ego and must comment even when he knows he shouldn't.

Soloist have huge ego as do Editors, Surgeons, Lawyers, Judges, Senators, Reps, --and just plain people sometimes. Some of us think we are gods gift and have the right to write or comment on everything---don't I????
 
BroadwayVa said:
3. What did UT or Pat say about Maya? All I heard was she had an ESPN Tour--which upset Pat. Beyond that I know nothing
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Pat said nothing publicly about Maya. She said something to Geno, apparently ("Geno knows" what), as his demand for an apology extended to Maya and her mom.

And that would have to refer to something other than the ESPN tour. No mom involvement there, and no sense asking for an apology for reporting something you accepted as a secondary violation.

But demanding a public apology for things said in a private conversation doesn't make a lot of sense either.

As far as what UT said about Maya, all we have is Women's AD Cronan's statement in answer to a media question that UT's series-cancelling beef was "in part" about Maya.

This could refer to the ESPN tour or to who knows what. You can't frame an apology around a brief, ambiguous answer like "in part."

So insofar as Maya is concerned, I still can't picture the UT apology. I get that Geno didn't like his integrity impugned by Summitt's innuendo, and rightly so.

But you can't get an apology for her behavior, or for the behavior of out of control message board butthooks.

So my conclusion at this point is that Geno either hasn't thought through the components of an apology, or knows full well he's setting conditions that can't be met.
 
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Gate81 said:
when does a grudge end?
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YoU know that's exactly what I'm feeling. This "apologize first" stuff sounds a whole lot like a grumpy Robert Kraft and I believe that Geno will play Tennessee. Do we really know for a fact that Geno said that to Holly or is that one of the "rumors".
 
JS said:
You and msf are referring to my post here.

Nan disagreed, in a post upon which you now seize as akin to a Supreme Court ruling, and I responded to her response here.

Following which the Chief Justice was appropriately conciliatory if not in a state of abject concession.

Your comment at the time, which I'll now address, was as follows:



You're right that I sloughed off the question of an apology for Pat's behavior as follows:



"It was what it was" may have been overly delicate, so allow me to supplement that remark. I see no possibility whatsoever that official TN will apologize for Pat Summitt's infuriating innuendoes. Certainly her colleagues can't do it, and the notion of her doing it herself is absurd.

That's why you and others have suggested some skillfully worded general statements of regret that would skirt the personal behavior. Of course, they won't do that either if they really believe Ms. Summitt was onto something. In which case "they," to be honorable, should substantiate or STFU.

And "official" TN has done the latter, far as I know. If anyone knows of Ms. Warlick, for example, pushing the "she did things the right way" line of insinuatory crap, I'd be interested to see it in context. That's the work of Ms. Cornelius and her cretinous crew, for which "official" TN can't apologize.

As a final note on the subject of Ms. Summitt's personal behavior, particularly "Geno knows," etc., I was struck by the comment of Diggerfoot, who as an Alzheimer's activist knows whereof he speaks, that such evasions and deflections are typical of Alzheimer's patients. That rings true to me.

So, bottom line, I still don't see apology as necessary or feasible, though I don't doubt that some kind of face-saving language could be devised if both parties were willing. Which, far as I can see now, is a project doomed to languish.

I hope the myriad of links in this post work. I never tire of linking myself, which sometimes threatens to be the biggest source of attention my thoughts get.
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Dawson said:
Until they get relevant to WCBB again then I would say No. There's no point in playing some mid-level team when every OOC game is so important.
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Grumble. If one doesn't want to play Tennessee because you don't like them, that's fine. Everyone has a right to an opinion like this.

But sorry - no way they are a mid-level team. Despite higher expectations from their fan base, they have shown they have remained a winning top-tier program, especially considering how many injuries to starters they have had to endure the past few years.

And it is not always easy for a team to transition to a new coach, though in this case the transition is much easier because of Warlick's previous position. Still, she isn't a Summitt clone and the returning players needed to adjust.

{I know the circumstances are a lot different but I sure wish UConn's football team had better transitioned after Edsall left.}
 
msf22b said:
I spent a career hanging around the greatest conductors and soloists in the world and I can't tell you how many times they had to be assisted in determining reality from an undereducated, no talent, hood from the Bronx.
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Classic instance of two geniuses at work -- and one lost his way.

Sergei Rachmaninoff and Fritz Kreisler were performing a joint recital (arguably among the greatest performers ever -- SR as a pianist, FK as a violinist).

At some point, Kreisler had a memory lapse. So he leaned over and whispered to Rachmaninoff:
"Where are we?"

Rachmaninoff (known for his dour disposition) never wavered in his total concentration. Without looking up, he replied to Kreisler:
"Carnegie Hall."

Geniuses.:rolleyes:
 
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JS said:
Pat said nothing publicly about Maya. She said something to Geno, apparently ("Geno knows" what), as his demand for an apology extended to Maya and her mom.

And that would have to refer to something other than the ESPN tour. No mom involvement there, and no sense asking for an apology for reporting something you accepted as a secondary violation.

But demanding a public apology for things said in a private conversation doesn't make a lot of sense either.

As far as what UT said about Maya, all we have is Women's AD Cronan's statement in answer to a media question that UT's series-cancelling beef was "in part" about Maya.

This could refer to the ESPN tour or to who knows what. You can't frame an apology around a brief, ambiguous answer like "in part."

So insofar as Maya is concerned, I still can't picture the UT apology. I get that Geno didn't like his integrity impugned by Summitt's innuendo, and rightly so.

But you can't get an apology for her behavior, or for the behavior of out of control message board butthooks.

So my conclusion at this point is that Geno either hasn't thought through the components of an apology, or knows full well he's setting conditions that can't be met.
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Or alternatively, he's looking for exactly the type of apology that's been suggested in this thread, one that is as broad and vague as the original accusations of wrong doing.
 
I enjoy all potentially competitive games, and thus would like to see this series and any others UConn can get against decent OOC teams.

The only thing that would change my mind about it is if Maya and family themselves came out as being against it. They're the core of what this is all about, after all. I couldn't care less about the stubbornly ground axes of famous coaches and collegiate bureaucracy*. ;)

*except when those things directly affect UConn's future, re: conference alignment and so forth. So, nothing caused by WCBB
 
any links to the "37 pages" so that the newbies can be all caught up with the Boneyard and its recent history?
 
rvwsleep said:
What ?? A mod editing a mod. I feel the earth move.
I'm a little slow. Just saw what JS did with the cover. Well, the title's accurate.
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I think it was the Mega Monster Moderator (Biff), not JS.
 
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Zorro said:
Gee, Meyers, you are STRICT!!
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Somebody's gotta be. :cool: We got all these wussy "fans" around here, willing to sell their souls for a competitive (LOL) game.
 
BroadwayVa said:
Meyers7--You are a favorite of mine on This Venue.
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Geez, I thought you were smarter than that. :rolleyes:

BroadwayVa said:
1. Statement---Alzheimers do deflect questions---the answers are no longer in their brains.
2. (2) In laws had Alzheimers: one was frugal and 15 years before being diagnosed gave away nearly 1,000,000 dollars --leaving his wife upon his death broke. It came on strong immediately (15 years later) he had 3 car accidents , needed diapers, wrote on walls with his defecation. Fell down a lot, lost his way home. Put in a home costing 12,000 per month--luckily died in 3 months. Other guy ran away from home (multiple times) called for alice (not his wife), his mouth was just plain nasty--nurse left Point is until the bad times no one knew. So I give Pat the benefit of the doubt. Not the Admin or Sports dept of UT or SEC
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Pat's problems has nothing to do with my dislike (hate) of all things TN (University).

BroadwayVa said:
3. What did UT or Pat say about Maya? All I heard was she had an ESPN Tour--which upset Pat. Beyond that I know nothing
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Oh there was a lot more than that. Read through some of these threads. And it wasn't just about Maya and her mother.

BroadwayVa said:
4. Never say Never---It rarely works. Everything in this world changes all the time and so will UT/Holly/or even Geno.
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Sometimes you have to step up and be counted.
 
Anyone trying to attribute "Geno knows" to Alzheimer's is full of baloney. Baloney that was digested and excreted by a male bovine.
 
meyers7 said:
Somebody's gotta be. :cool: We got all these wussy "fans" around here, willing to sell their souls for a competitive (LOL) game.
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I admire anyone who is happy in their skin, know their mind, and believe in what they are doing. I don't think Strict describes you--because you hold strong convictions--you hold these beliefs to be self evident (I think I read that somewhere).
 
meyers7 said:
Geez, I thought you were smarter than that. :rolleyes:


Pat's problems has nothing to do with my dislike (hate) of all things TN (University).


Oh there was a lot more than that. Read through some of these threads. And it wasn't just about Maya and her mother.


Sometimes you have to step up and be counted.
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I beg forgiveness---I was making statements about Pats Condition/ and people I knew. The only one that could in a stretch be applied to you is Never say Never--it applies to us all. I apologize if in any way it appeared I was directing those comment towards you. Sorry!!!
I have always couched my remarks about Pats Condition by saying something along the lines of --did UT or the SEC have Dementia--they forwarded the complaints, supposedly read them.
Again if it appeared I directed anything other than Never say Never--I am sorry.
I guess I'll never know what was said about Maya and her mother--maybe better that way.
 
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DaddyChoc said:
any links to the "37 pages" so that the newbies can be all caught up with the Boneyard and its recent history?
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I actually thought it would be easier find this. Here's a link to detailed ESPN story but I didn't see the actual complaint, though I remember reading it at the time. It would be good for posters who never read it to see. As we know now, the only negative finding from the complaint was that an administrative staffer called ESPN for Maya to get the times for a publically available tour. Since they wouldn't have called for regular student it resulted in a secondary violation, which is pretty much the NCAAs way of saying that the error was benign, just don't kepp doing it.

As to the alleged "hostess" allegations, one consisted of Diana Taurasi offering some fries she was eating to recruit and another alleged that she and and Sue Bird gave Moore a ride to awards dinner. They were both playing in Russia at the time.

Here is DiMauro take which was taken from a post on the old Summitt Vol fan board:

PAT SUMMITT'S REFUSAL TO explain her unilateral decision to end the UConn-Tennessee women's basketball rivalry has prompted many fans and media members to ponder rumor and conjecture as to her reasons.

It has been suggested, for example, that UConn coach Geno Auriemma has engaged in recruiting improprieties, although no specific examples have come forth.

Until now.

Sources at the NCAA, Big East and at UConn have confirmed two primary complaints Summitt lodged with the Southeastern Conference, which have been forwarded to the NCAA:

Complaint No. 1: Former UConn greats Sue Bird and Diana Taurasi allegedly drove recruit Maya Moore to pick up her Naismith Award in Atlanta when Moore was named the nation's top high school player in 2006.

Complaint No. 2: The family of Elena Delle Donne, another highly touted recruit, kept a sign from a UConn fan during the preseason “Supershow” two seasons ago.

Here is what really happened:

Moore, who has since committed to UConn, received the Naismith Award in Atlanta on April 7, 2006 — three days after the national championship game in Boston.

Bird, who has heard the same rumor about her alleged car ride with Taurasi, said she and Taurasi were nowhere near Atlanta at the time. They returned to Moscow to play for Dynamo Moscow, their European team, the day after the national championship game.

“I laughed at it,” Bird said Thursday in a telephone conversation from Minneapolis, where the Storm play the Lynx tonight. “'D' and I came for the Final Four and left the next day. We were on a flight back to Russia to play. We have box scores to prove it.”

The playoffs in the Russian League in which Dynamo Moscow participated that season were played in early April.

Bird also chuckled at Summitt's claim that it's more than coincidence that former UConn players always end up on campus when recruits are visiting.

“I can also speak for Diana on this,” Bird said. “We're very busy. Look, I love Connecticut and I want them to do well. But the last thing we want to do is run into recruits. We have very hectic schedules. A lot of us play in Europe. I barely have time to visit my mom.”

Then Bird paused and said, “And to be honest, that's a lot more important to me than going back to campus.”

The NCAA, meanwhile, barely considered the complaint about the sign given to the Delle Donnes.

“If reporters write in newspapers that recruits are coming to campus and a fan reads that and makes a sign, that's not something that can be policed,” a source at the NCAA said. “We generally don't like the idea of that happening and wouldn't encourage it, but how could you penalize a program because of its popularity?”

So there you have some facts.

And now you know why Summitt isn't talking.

What is there to say?

Her complaint about Bird and Taurasi is a lie.

Her complaint about a sign is beyond petty.

Auriemma, contacted with this information, wouldn't comment, although he is not happy that the UConn-Tennessee rivalry is over.

And it is over not because anybody else on the Tennessee campus wanted it to end. The president of the university, Dr. John D. Petersen, spent 2000 to 2004 as UConn's Chancellor and Provost for University Affairs and was a professor of chemistry.

Do you think he wanted it to end?

How about others in the athletic department, pondering the 25,000 fans who would have attended this year's game?

How about CBS or ESPN?

The UConn-Tennessee rivalry has ended because Auriemma got Maya Moore.

The UConn-Tennessee rivalry has ended because Auriemma has some cachet, a 13-9 record against Tennessee and just might get Delle Donne, too.

And Pat Summitt can't stand it.

Period.

You'll never read this from any national columnists who cover women's basketball because they're all afraid of offending Nurse Ratched.

UConn just learned the penalty for doing so:

You get smeared with recruiting indiscretions without the courtesy of an explanation.

Summitt is too selfish to understand that UConn and Tennessee are good for each other, the way every good story needs a hero and a villain. If you're from Connecticut, the villains wear orange. If you're from Knoxville, the villain is a neatly coifed Italian.

Funny, though, how CBS and ESPN liked women's basketball a whole lot more when they had a protagonist and an antagonist.

Now they have nothing.

And it's Summitt's fault.

For reasons that are equal parts flimsy and petty.

This is the opinion of Day assistant sports editor Mike DiMauro. He may be reached at m.dimauro@theday.com or 701-4391.​
 
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meyers7 said:
You should know this one, you're in it. ;) (only 34 pages, by the way)

http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/042608ut_sec2.pdf
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Meyers7---I just read, for the first time ever, the Knoxnews.com of UT's submission of "complaints". To me it reads like a series of stories/articles/blogs that only prove what a great school Uconn would be for any recruit. \
What I read is beyond petty, I'm not much of a hater I'm the kind you must do something to me directly to hate you, but this defecation and allegations and things they (UT) charged ithout real facts---i.,e. Sue and DT were acting as recruiters--really?? Also, Uconn players are regularly used in Uconn practices --don't these "star" WNBA and European stars have any games or practices (for the teams they are paid to play for) have any place the need to be other than Uconn??
It occurred to me that Holly and UT must have a Violation written for the Super Show of this past year with all the Uconn players being there with big fan fare??? Shame on Uconn --I think I saw a recruit or two in the crowd??? I just don't have the time to read through every page --do you think the NCAA did??
Thanks Meyers--and Cocodaddy for the visual and intellectual explanations.
 
Waquoit said:
Anyone trying to attribute "Geno knows" to Alzheimer's is full of baloney. Baloney that was digested and excreted by a male bovine.
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It starts with an A, but it's Arrogance.
 
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Reading this particular thread is hilarious and very enlightening. I'm not a UConn WBB Fan, but I am a fan of excellence and artistry in athletics, which is why I watch the Huskies. I never really understood why the rest of the world hates UConn Fans until now. You guys are sitting on this Board, after another 3-peat, whining about playing a school that hasn't been relevant in WCBB in 1o years. You remind me of the nerd in High School that becomes a dot.com billionaire, but is still jealous of the HS QB, who winds up working at the local Ford Plant. UConn is singularly acknowledged as the best team in WCBB by a wide margin, why is a game against TN which isn't even the best team in its own conference so important? Would it give UConn some kind of validation it doesn't already have? Does Geno need the game for his legacy? There is no player on the current roster who even remembers the last time UConn and UT actually played in a meaningful game. Pat Summitt is retired and suffering from Alzheimer's, Maya Moore is starring in the WNBA and around the world, Geno is collecting NC's like bubble gum cards and you fans are still clamoring for a game that would mean absolutely nothing, even if you win. UT/Uconn was never really a rivalry in the traditional sense, i.e. tOSU/TSUN, USC/UCLA, Duke/Carolina, or Alabama/Auburn, it was always that UConn aspired to be where UT was, and now they've surpassed anything UT ever dreamed of doing with no signs of slowing down any time soon. So what is the obsession with playing UT? I really don't get it, I used to think that Duke Fans were the the worst. I'm going to have to seriously rethink that premise.
 
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