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You can go by your stats I will go by the eye test. When your one and done on the offensive end every time down court that has a major impact on the game, whether you believe that or not. 2nd chance points is a major stat in college basketball. When a team only has 4 2nd chance points then thats an issue.

I never said it was our only problem its not even the main problem but to say it was "not in the neighborhood" of our issues is not true.
 
CallMeBruce said:
So you think that losing one possession every four games was one of the team's biggest problems last year? Because that's exactly what you're saying here.
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Without looking at analytics and purely going on observation, I think some of the issue is that it feels like we weren't dangerous on the offensive glass. Every now and then, Facey had a game where he got on the glass and got a couple put backs, but largely our offensive rebounds were possession extenders and not a source of easy points. Hamilton, for example, was a sensational defensive rebounder and (probably by design) a guy who rarely got on the offensive glass. If he got in there a little more often, we would have a skilled guy under the basket who might convert more of those into points.

Hopefully Miller can be a guy who gets some easy buckets on second chance points. Or Facey and Brimah too - if they get a little better/more confident.
 
I'm gonna go with Candyman on this one. Stats can only tell you so much, and from watching every second of every game this past season, rebounding was a huge part of the team's struggles.
 
Candyman34 said:
You can go by your stats I will go by the eye test. When your one and done on the offensive end every time down court that has a major impact on the game, whether you believe that or not. 2nd chance points is a major stat in college basketball. When a team only has 4 2nd chance points then thats an issue.

I never said it was our only problem its not even the main problem but to say it was "not in the neighborhood" of our issues is not true.
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So, in other words, you're rejecting the objective facts and going by whatever feels true to you.

Also, we weren't "one and done on the offensive end every time down court," as has been mentioned. We rebounded 30.1% of our missed shots, which is slightly below the average of 31.1%. If you want to pretend that these numbers are meaningless, you should feel free, but you're going to be saying a lot more wrong things if you do.
 
I'm sorry but the biggest issue last year was turnovers it took us out of games and I watched every game
 
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Leebo said:
IIRC, the V is Vincent, but I don't know what the J is.
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Usually it stands for "junior," but not necessarily. If anyone know's VJ's dad's name, that should clear things up a little.
 
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sdhusky said:
I felt like they won every game last year and won the championship. I don't go by scores any more.

But I was wondering why no one else was at the parade
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My bad, I forgot we were an average off. rebounding team, sorry "slightly below average" and it was not a weakness at all because off. rebounds have no impact on the game.
 
Candyman34 said:
My bad, I forgot we were an average off. rebounding team, sorry "slightly below average" and it was not a weakness at all because off. rebounds have no impact on the game.
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Don't be a jerk.
 
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Candyman34 said:
My bad, I forgot we were an average off. rebounding team, sorry "slightly below average" and it was not a weakness at all because off. rebounds have no impact on the game.
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See, here is why you are sounding silly. You "feel" as if we got far less than our statistical share of rebounds off our misses last year. Fine. But your feeling, apparently, takes no notice of what percentage of missed shots an average team rebounds, and what percentage of shots a good rebounding team rebounds. Said another way, your "feeling" is meaningless, if not wrong, because even average teams apparently rebound a far lower percentage of their own misses than you "feel" they should. Which, objectively, simply makes you wrong.

Some stats are meaningless. Some -- foul shooting percentage, for example -- tell almost 100% of the story. The stat you were given, applied to a team as opposed to an individual, does tell the story as to the team in terms of rebounding their own misses. So ignoring it just makes you look bad.

All that having been said, I agree with what someone said earlier. It "felt" like we were never getting offensive rebounds because the ones we got never led to easy put backs, which is what stands out in everyone's memory.
 
businesslawyer said:
All that having been said, I agree with what someone said earlier. It "felt" like we were never getting offensive rebounds because the ones we got never led to easy put backs, which is what stands out in everyone's memory.
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I think as UConn, it felt worse because we are used to great offensive rebounding teams.
 
businesslawyer said:
See, here is why you are sounding silly. You "feel" as if we got far less than our statistical share of rebounds off our misses last year. Fine. But your feeling, apparently, takes no notice of what percentage of missed shots an average team rebounds, and what percentage of shots a good rebounding team rebounds. Said another way, your "feeling" is meaningless, if not wrong, because even average teams apparently rebound a far lower percentage of their own misses than you "feel" they should. Which, objectively, simply makes you wrong.

Some stats are meaningless. Some -- foul shooting percentage, for example -- tell almost 100% of the story. The stat you were given, applied to a team as opposed to an individual, does tell the story as to the team in terms of rebounding their own misses. So ignoring it just makes you look bad.

All that having been said, I agree with what someone said earlier. It "felt" like we were never getting offensive rebounds because the ones we got never led to easy put backs, which is what stands out in everyone's memory.
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I dont feel, its the truth. Being 217th out of 345 is not good at all. Regardless of how close to average we are.

It felt like we were never getting off rebounds because we weren't, again we we're in the bottom of off. rebounds per game, 269 out of 345 D1 schools. It's not an illusion.

This is all meaningless anyway as the seasons over and this is a VJ King thread that I never meant to hijack.
 
Candyman34 said:
I dont feel, its the truth. Being 217th out of 345 is not good at all. Regardless of how close to average we are.

It felt like we were never getting off rebounds because we weren't, again we we're in the bottom of off. rebounds per game, 269 out of 345 D1 schools. It's not an illusion.

This is all meaningless anyway as the seasons over and this is a VJ King thread that I never meant to hijack.
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Nobody said we were good. You said we were "one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the country," which is factually untrue, unless you're saying that everyone who is below-average is "one of the worst." I guess that could be technically true, but you and I both know what you meant.

The number of offensive rebounds/game isn't a useful statistic. It doesn't account for pace or number of shots missed, both of which have a massive impact on the number of offensive rebounds you're going to get.

Also, no one said that "offensive rebounds have no impact on the game." My point was that, if we were to imagine that our team went from below-average to exactly average, it would have resulted in one additional offensive rebound (and one additional possession) every four games. There's no way that a reasonable person could say that was our biggest, or one of our biggest problems last year. The inability to consistently make shots was a much, much bigger problem.
 
Any news here? I just really think this kid would be a tremendous get for us. I know we're at a disadvantage, but we've had the advantage before and lost so there is always hope.
 
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Thanks, Bruce. I'm trying to stay positive, but I certainly don't have my hopes up.
 
husky99 said:
Hearing ville.
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Atleast we've made the decision tough for him. With all the connections to the 'Ville program we were always gonna be in second. I definitely don't consider this a recruiting loss per se.
 
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