Seton HeII Post Game Thread

[UCan3]

How about the players who was unnecessarily hyped up to three peat and now feel like big disappointments?

When that shouldn’t have been the expectations in the first place

I was saying that all along - the 3 peat talk early on was not a good idea. Only got teams jacked to play us and was not a reasonable expectation for the kids.

Say it in practice if you want but not publicly. That was too much pressure too early, and we wonder why Mahaney playing like a wound up clock, and Karaban going through unsual long stretches of hitting the backboard. This is psych 101 stuff.

 

[jostar1]

Some of it's funny and I don't mind cocky but some it is just over the top jack arsery.

What was the point of the other night at Creighton after the game? I would get it a little if you had a tough loss and you were pissed and wanted to take some of the heat of the loss off your players but why is he getting into it with the few remaining fans after his freshman goes nuclear and you get a great win?

Danny we get it, you're the tough East Coast Jersey guy but constantly playing it up doesn't look so tough. It kind of has the opposite effect.

I think it was in response to the "F Dan Hurley" chant that the fans were yelling at the beginning of the game.

 

[Conndog]

The roster needs a big makeover.

Agree- all 5 people need to play well. Maybe Ross should have played instead of Stewart- he made that one corner 3 but othereise was invisible.

 

[Kowalski]

Loser mentality…..this one is on the coach and bad guard play.

To me, it’s on the coaches, players AND the officiating.
They team didn’t play like they deserved to win and I’m annoyed that they put themselves in position to possibly lose. But if the officials didn’t fail to call at least 2 blatant fouls in the last minute, Uconn escapes with a win. I’m very annoyed at that too.

 

[Dabutlerdidit]

Sliding on the bubble or no ?

 

[mauconnfan]

Sliding on the bubble or no ?

Lose to nova and this is a definite and with the Johnnies and Marquette left we will be hoping for 20 wins.

 

[RuffRuff]

For those thinking this was a foul, was closer to a travel. Brutal

 

[uconntoatl]

Low

We gotten pretty much zero from our freshmen.

mcneeley is a freshmen. He was the single reason we beat creighton

 

[freescooter]

Are you serious??? That was the worst coached game I have witnessed in 48 years of watching Uconn basketball.

Right up there with the Dee Rose freeze. Though this was worse because it wasn’t intentional.

Getting the ball in bounds ought to be about the most automatic play in the game. This has been a problem all season. Today it cost us dearly. There are plays for getting the ball in. None of them are just stand there until the ref gives you the ball after a made basket.

I have this sense that Hurley has a system that requires certain types of players. He doesn’t have that but insists on running it anyway.

 

[jostar1]

That's an awful sign. As if AK hasn't already put way too much pressure on himself this entire season. Anybody have the post game presser? Hurley needs to take this off the players and put it squarely on himself.

I don't think AK was talking about himself. And I don't think Hurley should take it off the players. McNeeley hid his face behind a towel at the end of the game. They all should feel that way.

 

[pj]

Postgame presser:

 

[3rdbass]

I was Stewart #1 fan for awhile but he continues to fade away at key points of the game / also misses some key shots / defensive assigments.

It’s almost like he wants it but not really.

There are times a player like him could blend in but not this year - all hands on deck.

If he can’t engage for longer parts of the game, next man up.

I guess you want Abraham playing? I mean why not at this point.

 

[Dibbie]

I still have no words and strolling through this thread the past 2 hours isn’t helping

 

[WhereistheDove?]

For those thinking this was a foul, was closer to a travel. Brutal

Apologies if you’re being sarcastic but if not… wtf are you talking about? We played horribly. Should have never been in the refs’ hands there, but #7 just tackles Solo. It was 1000% a foul.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

How about the players who were unnecessarily hyped up to three peat and now feel like big disappointments?

When that shouldn’t have been the expectations in the first place

You may be right. Perhaps Dan Hurley should have told everyone this team isn't very good.

 

[REB1094]

Fortunately I had plans today and couldn’t watch the game. Unfortunately I just watched a replay

Man, that sucked. Worst loss since Wagner/Northeastern?

If we were in the 7-9 seed range before, then we probably are on the bubble now. We may need to win out to avoid bid stealer territory..

Won’t pile on to any players because it’s all been said already and they’re all ashamed of that performance. But if that is what we’re going to get against the bottom feeders of college basketball, why not play the young guys? It can’t get worse than THAT

 

[superjohn]

Please elaborate.

One stark reality is that there are limits to how effective a coach can be if the players aren't taking the game as seriously as they should, Even the GOAT ended up with a team that never seemed to care as much as he did about the outcome of the games they played.

I vividly remember him calling very early TO's, yelling, screaming, silent treatment, pulling players and making them sit for extended periods, basically every approach possible. As far as I'm concerned, if JC couldn't get the 06 team past George Mason, there may be situations where no coach can get it through their players' heads.

Because Hurley coached a horrible game. This was a historically bad Seton Hall team with no big men and Hurley played Tarris Reed 4 minutes to Samson's 27 minutes until Samson picked up his 4th foul. Because we're the highest level program there is in D1 basketball and he can't ever get his team to inbound the ball.

 

[1999GoodSon]

Great to have Alex back

 

[UCan3]

For those thinking this was a foul, was closer to a travel. Brutal

I don’t know why when there’s 3/four seconds left. We act like the game is over. That’s actually a fair amount of time and this is twice it happened at the end of the game where I’m like. What are we doing. Throw the ball down court make it a 50-50 and maybe something good happens

 

[uconngb]

Don’t pretend that, as bad as we were, we don’t win the game if the officials do their job. Pointing that out is objective fact.

Stop it. Just stop it. You have ZERO credibility with this nonsense.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

OK, I’ve calmed down. Just watched 3 fights in the first 9 seconds of Canada-USA, so catharsis.

1. The reason you run offense is to create open shots. This team seems to run the half out offense hoping for a defensive mistake to let them have an open shot. The offense has to run with purpose. What shot are we trying to create? Who do we want to take it, and from where? Is there a weak spot in the D we should attack? Where do we have matchup advantages? We have way too many late in the clock desperation heaves.
2. Once again we managed to lose to a team with one proven scorer. Just one. You’d think that would be the one guy you can focus the D on, particularly late in the game.
3. Inbounds plays. Yeah, everyone has mentioned it. But there has to be recognition and a plan. Is it man D.? Zone press? Guarding the inbounder or not? You have to have plays for all these situations. And remember, the D wants it in the corner, we don’t.
4. Hurley has to see these things and fix them. That we are this late in the season and still are having these problems isn’t good. Best coach? Prove it.*
5. The refs missed an astounding number of fouls in the last 3 minutes of regulation and in OT, particularly the trip on Ball at the end. Note to zebras: you may say you don’t want to decide the game. But you are deciding close games all the time. Sometimes by blowing the whistle. And sometimes by swallowing it.
6. Depth. Supposedly we are a deep team. We played 6 guys tonight, and the one who showed the most heart was an injured guy who couldn’t play last game. Depth is something you have to develop. Probably too late this year, but I would have liked to see Abraham play more.

* Yeah, I know, back to back NCs. In surgery you’re only as good as your last patient. And this one died.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Because Hurley coached a horrible game. This was a historically bad Seton Hall team with no big men and Hurley played Tarris Reed 4 minutes to Samson's 27 minutes until Samson picked up his 4th foul. Because we're the highest level program there is in D1 basketball and he can't ever get his team to inbound the ball.

Now I'm completely lost.

You responded to a tweet by a player (Alex Karaban) where he stated the players need to take these games more seriously by claiming ?Hurley needs to take that on himself and taske pressure off Karaban.

I askes you to elaborate on that, and pointed out that a hall of fame coach with considerably more experience in life and ib coaching college basketball at the highest level at the time wasn't able to get a team to put in the effort needed (implying that maybe it isn't always the coach).

Your response is that he coached a horrible game. Evidently you berlieve that the level of effort the entire team puts into each game is duer to Hurley's coaching that day (and perhaps how many minutes he gives Reed).

 

[uconngb]

He is.

Um, no. He’s good when he has great players. When he doesn’t, he’s proven he can’t coach himself out of a paper bag.

 

[TheHorde]

For those thinking this was a foul, was closer to a travel. Brutal

It’s wild to me that on a play like that they’re not catching the pass and feeding it back to the inbounder, Karaban. He’d have the option to catch it and dribble on the move or pass. The 10 second call is not a worry in that scenario. Alex is usually a solid free throw shooter.

 

[EnochRoot]

Apologies if you’re being sarcastic but if not… wtf are you talking about? We played horribly. Should have never been in the refs’ hands there, but #7 just tackles Solo. It was 1000% a foul.

#7 did not tackle Solo. Solo ran into #7 and then fell.

I'm sorry, but that's not a cut and dried foul. It looked like Ball lost control (which he did).

 

[Conndog]

Apologies if you’re being sarcastic but if not… wtf are you talking about? We played horribly. Should have never been in the refs’ hands there, but #7 just tackles Solo. It was 1000% a foul.

Refs were not in good position to see it- only one on baseline near inbounder & he was covering other corner. When pss went into Solo at other corner, he tried running back to play but was too late. Nearest other ref should have called the foul,, nut he was near half court and was too far away. It was an obvious foul- but the one on Liam where he was hacked across the wrists was even worse.

 

[Marat]

OK, I’ve calmed down. Just watched 3 fights in the first 9 seconds of Canada-USA, so catharsis.

1. The reason you run offense is to create open shots. This team seems to run the half out offense hoping for a defensive mistake to let them have an open shot. The offense has to run with purpose. What shot are we trying to create? Who do we want to take it, and from where? Is there a weak spot in the D we should attack? Where do we have matchup advantages? We have way too many late in the clock desperation heaves.
2. Once again we managed to lose to a team with one proven scorer. Just one. You’d think that would be the one guy you can focus the D on, particularly late in the game.
3. Inbounds plays. Yeah, everyone has mentioned it. But there has to be recognition and a plan. Is it man D.? Zone press? Guarding the inbounder or not? You have to have plays for all these situations. And remember, the D wants it in the corner, we don’t.
4. Hurley has to see these things and fix them. That we are this late in the season and still are having these problems isn’t good. Best coach? Prove it.*
5. The refs missed an astounding number of fouls in the last 3 minutes of regulation and in OT, particularly the trip on Ball at the end. Note to zebras: you may say you don’t want to decide the game. But you are deciding close games all the time. Sometimes by blowing the whistle. And sometimes by swallowing it.

* Yeah, I know, back to back NCs. In surgery you’re only as good as your last patient. And this one died.

Yeah the USA Canada start was insane. This is a great matchup.

No more comments on the UConn disaster today

 

[Conndog]

#7 did not tackle Solo. Solo ran into #7 and then fell.

I'm sorry, but that's not a cut and dried foul. It looked like Ball lost control (which he did).

Ball was pushed by 1st defender into #7- watch again, the first defender shoves him with both hands and knocked Solo off balance.

 

[Deleted at users request]

You may be right. Perhaps Dan Hurley should have told everyone this team isn't very good.

You don’t have to swing it to the opposite side of the pendulum.

Simply saying we’re working to be the best team we can be by the end of march would suffice on top of 100 ways to say you’re planning on being good without setting expectations too high.

Stop being obtuse

 

[EnochRoot]

Refs were not in good position to see it- only one on baseline near inbounder & he was covering other corner. When pss went into Solo at other corner, he tried running back to play but was too late. Nearest other ref should have called the foul,, nut he was near half court and was too far away. It was an obvious foul- but the one on Liam where he was hacked across the wrists was even worse.

Looking at it again, #33 should've been called for a foul. #7 didn't foul him. Ball was out of control by then (#33 shoved him in the back).