Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[Umami Zen]

That should have been ruled a jump ball, but it shouldn't have gone that far as Tarris' first block (of two) immediately before that also should have called a jump ball

Agree with you. TR had all ball on the first shot

 

[dalydosehoops]

Nicely written story, including some unique quotes that I hadn't seen elsewhere.

Thanks! Bobby Mullen got Braylon, Tarris and Silas for us in postgame scrums after the formal presser with Tarris, Silas, Alex and Dan.

 

[DogMania]

In many games we see some level of bad officiating but this game? OMG whole sections of prudential center including seton hall fans alike felt the refs let this one get out of control. Mainly it was Gaffney though.

It was one of the worst officiated game I've seen in some time. From the jump they decided not to call any SH bumping, reaching in and grabbing off the ball. They started to blow their whistle on some of it in the second half, but the damage was already done empowering the Seton Hall players to make it a rock fight throughout most of the game.

And it was another example where the officiating was called differently on each end of the floor. There were some touch fouls that were called against UConn where moments earlier on the other end of the floor there was much more physical contact by the Pirates that was ignored. I remember Hurley going out of his mind during one sequence where that happened.

I usually prefer to watch a game we're less fouls are called, but not when the game turns into a wrestling match where neither the players nor the fans I want to witness. At least 30 minutes of that game was not much fun to watch whatsoever.

I don't know about any of you, but down the stretch of that game, I couldn't wait for it to be over and was praying that it would not go into overtime. That can't be good for the Big East to have that type of product.

Does the leadership of the Big East have any meetings or calls with the officials to discuss how games are being called? It seems the way that games are called in various conferences aren't all the same.

 

[cwh20]

Doesn't it bother you more when someone misses the front end of a one and one?

missing the front end off a one and one hurts no doubt. Your take that it should be 0-2 is absolutely crazy. Haha. Does turning the ball over count as 0-1 shooting?

 

[Chuck]

Went to the game last night with my daughter. I've gone to most of the games at Prudential and Byrne/Continental/Izod before that. Prior arena was much easier for me to get to, but I like the Prudential. This is the first UConn win I've seen at the Prudential (including at least one non-SHU game)!

There were plenty of UConn fans, but pretty quiet fans on the whole. Fans behind the basket got a few U-C-O-N-Ns in and "Let's go Huskies" for a minute. But the SHU fans were definitely louder. I'm sure their students were a big part of that. I'm surprised that we don't get more UConn fans at these games. I guess it's more difficult than getting to MSG, but the tickets are easier to get, you can get there by train, and it's not that hard to get to/park by car. I'm sure Tuesday made it tougher. If anyone isn't going because they are afraid of Newark, the area really isn't bad and has a few good bars and restaurants within walking distance.

 

[freescooter]

Nah..I wasnt making a player comp, thatd be silly. I was making a fan base comp. We gave up on AJax and relegated him to the end of the bench. January-february 23 we were going through an awful time where Hurley was scared for his job and our #1 player target was AJax.

We are doing the same thing to solo... and this time during a winning streak

I wouldn’t say any of that. Andre was playing out of position which was the fundamental problem. Teams were literally (and yes I do know what literally means) dropping off him and letting him take 3 pointers because he couldn’t hit the Atlantic Ocean with a handful of peanuts if he was sitting in the middle of it. It was embarrassing. Then he moved inside and his athleticism was on full display.

Ball is completely different player. Even in his current slump nobody is ignoring him at the arc. He can and has gone off and scored in bunches. He is not nearly the rebounder, defender or overall player that Jackson was.

I hope he comes around but you need to go with Plan B which I guess is mostly Stewart. At his best he isn’t as good as Ball at his. Problem is that Ball is not playing well so he needs to be relegated to a lesser minute guy. It isn’t because nobody like him or because he is being used as a whipping boy or any such thing. It is solely because the way he is playing now is hurting the team. If he comes out of his current slump he will likely play more.

 

[Lafayette]

It was one of the worst officiated game I've seen in some time. From the jump they decided not to call any SH bumping, reaching in and grabbing off the ball. They started to blow their whistle on some of it in the second half, but the damage was already done empowering the Seton Hall players to make it a rock fight throughout most of the game.

And it was another example where the officiating was called differently on each end of the floor. There were some touch fouls that were called against UConn where moments earlier on the other end of the floor there was much more physical contact by the Pirates that was ignored. I remember Hurley going out of his mind during one sequence where that happened.

I usually prefer to watch a game we're less fouls are called, but not when the game turns into a wrestling match where neither the players nor the fans I want to witness. At least 30 minutes of that game was not much fun to watch whatsoever.

I don't know about any of you, but down the stretch of that game, I couldn't wait for it to be over and was praying that it would not go into overtime. That can't be good for the Big East to have that type of product.

Does the leadership of the Big East have any meetings or calls with the officials to discuss how games are being called? It seems the way that games are called in various conferences aren't all the same.

I thought many hard fouls were not called and even when Braylon got absolutely decked on a made 3 I looked at Gaffney to see if he would even blow the whistle.

I would say the game got unsafe in the 2nd half but silently I was hoping for OT with Clark and Payne out and Hines with 4 fouls it was gonna be all Reed vs guys much shorter than him.

Mullins was starting to groove late as well.

 

[Excalibur]

It can be incompetence and/or subconsciously wanting the underdog to do well at home as opposed to a conspiracy. But you know that already.

There's no conspiracy. They're just bad at their jobs, and the way they tend to call games is more impactful for us given our style of play.

 

[Chuck]

It was one of the worst officiated game I've seen in some time. From the jump they decided not to call any SH bumping, reaching in and grabbing off the ball. They started to blow their whistle on some of it in the second half, but the damage was already done empowering the Seton Hall players to make it a rock fight throughout most of the game.

And it was another example where the officiating was called differently on each end of the floor. There were some touch fouls that were called against UConn where moments earlier on the other end of the floor there was much more physical contact by the Pirates that was ignored. I remember Hurley going out of his mind during one sequence where that happened.

I usually prefer to watch a game we're less fouls are called, but not when the game turns into a wrestling match where neither the players nor the fans I want to witness. At least 30 minutes of that game was not much fun to watch whatsoever.

I don't know about any of you, but down the stretch of that game, I couldn't wait for it to be over and was praying that it would not go into overtime. That can't be good for the Big East to have that type of product.

Does the leadership of the Big East have any meetings or calls with the officials to discuss how games are being called? It seems the way that games are called in various conferences aren't all the same.

A few observations from someone that was there, so I didn't hear the commentary:

• SHU absolutely plays super physical and dares the refs to call everything. At home they get away with more because their fans and Shaheen flip out on every call unless there's a tooth knocked out.
• They are very good at finding that line that the refs will allow. You can see when they went too far, a foul was called. But if they kept it to a bump and tug rather than a full push or hold, it was allowed.
• Now a comments, not observation. I've seen people here say that the Big East should protect UConn as the flagship program. I get that, but I also think they want to get at least 4 teams in the tournament, and that would have been greatly helped with a Seton Hall win. The ACC always seems to have their bubble teams get miraculous upsets when necessary and if we're going conspiracy theory, that can explain SHU getting a favorable whistle.
• Regarding whether the Big East should allow this type of play, I don't think they care. I've seen 0 conference-wide leadership, messaging, etc. The leadership is mid-major level (and not even good mid-major leadership). Furthermore, my guess is the Big East likes what UConn brings, but they don't like us because of the institutional differences and clear desire to leave asap. The Big East would be happy to have any of the other schools dethrone UConn.

 

[ctchamps]

Can we agree to disagree?

Yep. I disagree with you and agree with upstater.

 

[sledog]

Reed needs to spend posr practice hours shooting 200+ FT / day

 

[alphasigko]

Yep. I disagree with you and agree with upstater.

No problem

 

[WeAreUCONN]

He is? He has shown only minor glimpses of that in his 2+ years here.

He played decent defense in the first half. Seton Hall only had 22 points.

 

[DogMania]

A few observations from someone that was there, so I didn't hear the commentary:

• SHU absolutely plays super physical and dares the refs to call everything. At home they get away with more because their fans and Shaheen flip out on every call unless there's a tooth knocked out.
• They are very good at finding that line that the refs will allow. You can see when they went too far, a foul was called. But if they kept it to a bump and tug rather than a full push or hold, it was allowed.
• Now a comments, not observation. I've seen people here say that the Big East should protect UConn as the flagship program. I get that, but I also think they want to get at least 4 teams in the tournament, and that would have been greatly helped with a Seton Hall win. The ACC always seems to have their bubble teams get miraculous upsets when necessary and if we're going conspiracy theory, that can explain SHU getting a favorable whistle.
• Regarding whether the Big East should allow this type of play, I don't think they care. I've seen 0 conference-wide leadership, messaging, etc. The leadership is mid-major level (and not even good mid-major leadership). Furthermore, my guess is the Big East likes what UConn brings, but they don't like us because of the institutional differences and clear desire to leave asap. The Big East would be happy to have any of the other schools dethrone UConn.

I don't buy into any of the conspiracy theories. I just think that the officiating this year is just not very good for whatever reason. I wish they would have some consistency such as allow some physical contact when driving to the basket unless it really impedes the shot. Do not allow any holding off the ball since that results in ugly execution for the offensive teams. Stop calling the incidental minor reach ins and bumps in the perimeter. Don't allow teams to body and grab the ball handler. One incidental bump is okay but constantly bumping the player with the ball should get called. Many of these things impede the flow of the game which should be discouraged. Those are my two cents.