Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[GlastonTim]

I don't know why he isn't dunking but don't confuse not dunking with playing soft. Tarris most certainly didn't play soft last night. He had guys hanging on him the entire game and he was scoring through contact and drawing fouls all night and he erased a few that looked like easy Seton Hall scores.

You’re right, he did play through being hacked most of the night. Guess soft was the wrong word. But I’d like see some statement Slams! He seems to want to be a finesse player when beast mode might be more fitting. Coach has been talking about unleashing the beast for 2 years. Maybe this is him at his best, but it seems with his size and build a Forceful Tarris is in there….somewhere. Does he ever get angry? I hope we get to see him play with more physicality.

 

[Waquoit]

21/9/3(with a bunch of points left at the line) vs a pretty good C tandem in Payne/Hines with them hanging all over his back during the game, he was anything but soft last night.

I hate keyboard commandos calling players "soft". Nobody on this team is soft. Still, Tarris is good for 3-4 missed bunnies a game and I'd like to see him bring that number down a bit.

 

[GlastonTim]

I hate keyboard commandos calling players "soft". Nobody on this team is soft. Still, Tarris is good for 3-4 missed bunnies a game and I'd like to see him bring that number down a bit.

Wrong word, my bad. Would like to see him play more forcefully. We’ve seen flashes. Could just be a personality thing.

 

[buddy]

Exactly. We missed out on 2 points, not just one. I know the stat sheet doesn't record it that way but that's how I always think of it in my mind. But I'm getting a lot of push back on that so maybe I'm crazy.

Missed free throws are essentially turnovers.

 

[Palatine]

Lots of dumb stuff is said in the "chat" because every post is reactionary. These instantaneous reactions are mostly negative. There isn't time for a well thought out post because the chat has moved on in the time it takes to gain some perspective. If you decide to go into the chat. That is the price of admission.

 

[freescooter]

I was at the game. The refs were fine. We complain about the refs after every game. They are not out to get us.

That’s not the complaint. You are right. They are not out to get us. But the do permit much more clutching and grabbing and bumping than other leagues do. That hurts a team like UConn that relies on motion, ball movement and passing rather than just giving the ball to somebody to take it to the rim. And it was not just last night. You see the same crap in every NBE game. Now we have more talent than everybody else so we can overcome the football style defenses.

 

[Donyell 360]

It also bothered me that the refs missed about 10 foul calls on Tarris, so on my personal stat sheet I'm marking him down for 29 missed FTs. Going to be tough to win if he keeps that up

Nice. That made me laugh. But that wouldn't be fair to Tarris as missed calls were not his fault, while missed front ends are.

 

[dennismenace]

I guess when you don’t have superior talent, you goon it up.

That's exactly what Ed Cooley said when he was at PC and his preparation. Basically stated that they had no way to handle all the plays, cuts, screens etc. He said their plan would be "to muck it up" by physically overplaying and disrupting (grabbing, fouling etc.......whatever the refs give us). He did not define what "mucking it up" was but it wasn't any tactical response you could diagram.

 

[Donyell 360]

I didn’t balk at anything. I just laughed when I read BigErn’s comment “you don’t,” in response to you saying, “…if you count that as two…”

I totally get where you’re coming from and find it more frustrating when a player misses the front end, but at the end of the day the free throws made and attempted are what they are. I’m sure certain outfits keep track of missed front ends nowadays so you could just follow that because that’s exactly what it is. It feels like two missed shots, it feels like a turnover, but objectively it is not those things.

Edit: to be clear, how you think of it does make sense to me and I think of it similarly, going back to when I played and my high school coach described it that way.

Thank you. That's how I grew up thinking of it too. Those first 3 single bonus foul shots always made me extra nervous, one miss = TO. I'm glad I don't have to shoot FT's for a living.

 

[Donyell 360]

I know, but the pic still works for the 2nd half situation.

Plus, it's Bill Murray in UConn gear. Gotta acknowledge it.

It was an interesting reaction. He is quite the character. I wonder what he is like when not acting. Haven't seen him other than these reaction images the past few years. He played so many laid back characters. Even when the role called for concern, there was an underlying indifference. "Cats and dogs living together!"

I wonder if he is actually that laid back about everything or if he ever gets genuinely anxious about these games like I do? He must right?

Also interesting I have never seen Bill and Bob Sr. together. They seem like oil and water. Maybe that's why?

 

[prankster]

The issues you bring up are consistent across the Big East, even with the good officials. To me, that points to the Supervisor of Officials, or higher. Someone gives the referees their marching orders; focus on this, less emphasis on that. I think John Cahill is still the supervisor for Men's Big East basketball, which explains a lot.

Yes he is.

Yes it does.

 

[housekeys]

The most WTF call last night had to be the UConn defense making 2 clean blocks with the end of the shot clock happening, only to be interrupted by a whistle calling a foul on UConn with players fighting for a loose ball. SH got rewarded with FT's thanks to the whistle, from the ref only feet away from Halloway.

 

[psilotic]

That Seton Hall Heckler is gonna take a cold shower sitting down holding his knees.

I can't believe that a TruTV producer didn't A) kill the field mike that was picking up that genius or B) go to Pru Center staff have them tell him to shut up or move. It's cute 2-3 times. 40 minutes? beyond brutal

 

[thekollieman]

Thank you. That's how I grew up thinking of it too. Those first 3 single bonus foul shots always made me extra nervous, one miss = TO. I'm glad I don't have to shoot FT's for a living.

No doubt. Free throws are far from free psychologically. That’s why I’ve always thought it’s one of the most badass things for a player to be elite at. In the Shaq docuseries there were multiple accounts of Shaq being great at free throws in practice… seems crazy but it’s understandable. From my experience with the mere pressure of CT Class S, I can only extrapolate the pressure of having an in-game strategy named after your poor free throw shooting on basketball’s highest level lol.

 

[UCMB88]

Also, shoutout to TruTV for using the smallest font in broadcast history for the team fouls. If it weren’t for the ESPN app I’d have been walking across the room to check the numbers.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the same thing! And using white typeface over that white marble background on the SH side was brutal too. Hate truTV's scorebug!

 

[nelsonmuntz]

was there too:

1. When Braylon or more often Silas was dribbling north-south to drive they were routinely bumped enough to change their direction somewhat.
2. Early on a seton hall player got caught in the air coming down on Tarris - no call
3. lack of calls against SH include over the back, moving screens, hard bumps, hands pulling jerseys.
4. Calls on us included straight up defenses, barely a touch or on AK two phantom calls.

40+ whistles and at some point all of us in sec 6 were feeling the refs let this get out of hand.

Main culprit - John Gaffney

Why is there a conspiracy by all the officials to get UConn?

 

[freshler40]

This is exactly right.

One thing I found befuddling. Late in the game, after SH scores, Karaban would grab the ball and.... the rest of the team would wait before getting into their action. There was almost no urgency getting the ball inbounds until a couple of seconds into the five count. When the ball goes though the net, they should be ready to go. Maybe, they have to wait for a sign from the bench or someone on the court. But if so, that operation should start faster. I really don't understand why they are so lackadaisical starting their action.

A sore spot for sure and covering many tight past games. Karaban seems to be the chosen in bounder. Perhaps this is to have the faster, more adept guards to be the ball handlers. This continued delay in getting the ball in play is a serious deficiency at critical times IMO.

Why allow the defense to set up and waste time outs?? Why not, as in most girl games, have our center come to the mid court? We also tend to trap ourselves in the corners. Why? We almost always want to dribble across half court. Why? Much of our offence is dependent upon playing a long shot clock. Well, we are 17-1 so what do I know?

 

[prankster]

Wrong word, my bad. Would like to see him play more forcefully. We’ve seen flashes. Could just be a personality thing.

I think he knows more than we do. Possibly he knows more about power ratios than we do.

As in: "Positive I can't power up for a dunk with this guy hanging on me. Pretty sure I may be able to finesse a layup with him on me, though. Hope I get a whistle! Here goes."

I have to think Tarris has had a lot more game and practice time than we could imagine. And he approaches these things pretty professionally.

No percentage in trying for showcase slams you know you wouldn't get anyway.

 

[freshler40]

Absolutely correct. Aside from Louisville, this is why UConn had to carry the conference in the Tournament for decades. Pitt is another famous example.

The Big East loves its reputation, but it makes for a horrible product and risks killing its golden goose. Short-sighted and dumb.

It also makes everyone injury prone, long games and nearly an unwatchable product at time. I think the NBA recently cracked down on this type of play which is more like hockey led by goons. The quarterback ass lift is another of this type of questionable play being reviewed.

 

[7774]

He still hasn't talked to Jeff Epstein the New York financier.

I'm pretty sure if there was some news about Jeff Epstein he would have heard.

 

[uconnfan68]

If Tarris made his free throws, it would have never even have gotten close. They played hack a Tarris with him and it almost worked.

Their 80+% shooters didn't shoot well either.

 

[aceboon]

Their 80+% shooters didn't shoot well either.

AK, Braylon, Silas, and Solo shot a combined 11/13 from the line

 

[uconnfan68]

It also bothered me that the refs missed about 10 foul calls on Tarris, so on my personal stat sheet I'm marking him down for 29 missed FTs. Going to be tough to win if he keeps that up

I think he'd get more calls if he was over the rim. He rarely plays above it.

 

[uconnfan68]

AK, Braylon, Silas, and Solo shot a combined 11/13 from the line

SH's shooters, not ours. I think both teams missed 10.

 

[aceboon]

SH's shooters, not ours. I think both teams missed 10.

my bad, I misread it

 

[Mr. French]

Why is there a conspiracy by all the officials to get UConn?

It can be incompetence and/or subconsciously wanting the underdog to do well at home as opposed to a conspiracy. But you know that already.

 

[superjohn]

I'm pretty sure if there was some news about Jeff Epstein he would have heard.

The only way to get to the bottom of this is for him to call his friend Ghislaine.

 

[Scrutineer]

With legitimate refs we win that game by 25. Our offense was restricted by holds all game so we had no choice but to go to Reed. And they hacked him at will.

The worst had to be Tarris' two consecutive blocks in the lane where the Seton Hall guy went up and down and instead of calling a travel on SH they called a foul on Tarris.......

 

[superjohn]

The worst had to be Tarris' two consecutive blocks in the lane where the Seton Hall guy went up and down and instead of calling a travel on SH they called a foul on Tarris.......

Tarris blocked Hines twice in a row but they called the foul on AK with one second left on the shot clock for reaching in. AK lightly put his hand on the ball. It was a ridiculous call to end a great defensive possession.

 

[Umami Zen]

Tarris blocked Hines twice in a row but they called the foul on AK with one second left on the shot clock for reaching in. AK lightly put his hand on the ball. It was a ridiculous call to end a great defensive possession.

Looked to me like AK had tied him up-possession arrow call vs a foul. 50/50 ball