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Seton Hall Post Game Thread

The great Jim Downey was at the game with Bill last night. Downey is one of the funniest people ever, if you know you know...

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Iluvsuebird said:
You need to stop saying that. The Andre-Solo comp is so bad, its all-time bad comp. Andre brought defensive, rebounds, assists, energy. He was our heart and soul. Never was an offense first guy. Solo is exclusively an offense guy. And he has not been elite this year. That said, Solo got better around the rim. And his defense is not awful, all the time, like it used to be. And the kid plays hard. I love him. But after 17 games, I think its time we wonder if last year's version of Solo will make an appearance this year.
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Nah..I wasnt making a player comp, thatd be silly. I was making a fan base comp. We gave up on AJax and relegated him to the end of the bench. January-february 23 we were going through an awful time where Hurley was scared for his job and our #1 player target was AJax.

We are doing the same thing to solo... and this time during a winning streak
 
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winning is better than losing. I am glad that we won. But this game was a joke. Here's the many reasons why:
  1. The holding and grabbing started from the whistle. You too can play good defense if you are literally grabbing your opponent's shirts all game long.
  2. And what made point #1 worst of all is the refs calling ticky-tacky calls against us. So they can play WWE style and we have to play regular basketball???? That's weak a-- s---.
  3. There is no NCAA game in March that will resemble this game. Because basketball is only referred like this on the BE. Even Houston plays cleaner than that, and they are perennially known to be a great defensive team.
  4. Too many missed fouls. Too many turnovers. Its now 17 games kids. This is now a pattern for this team. And a pattern that can cost us when it matters.
  5. Where is SOLO???? This is perplexing. He has the same mental condition AK had last year. No confidence in his shot. Love the kid. My favorite player on this team. But again, after 17 games, are we going to see the real Solo this year?
  6. 18 point lead blown. And not for the first time, see BYU. We gotta be better than that. To have 5 minute scoring droughts with this amount of offensive arsenal? Just insane.
  7. And with all that said, we won that darn game. Really, impressive. Just not pretty basketball.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Except I wasnt making a player comp. I was making a fan base comp. We gave up on AJax and relegated him to the end of the bench. Did you sleep through January '23?
We are doing the same thing to solo... and during a winning streak!
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I see your point now. But I disagree that any sane person wanted Alex on the bench. We dont win in 23 without him.
 
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lonsharkin51 said:
Trust me. There’s nothing I want more than for Solo to return to form. And I believe he will. But right now … I actually thought he was good on the defensive glass tonight.
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People down on Solo Ball are not real fans. There, I said it.

What a hot take by you. And how naive. The real story is that we are 16-1 and Solo has not been himself. Imagine if he gets his mojo back?!?!?!?
 
Is it this team can win close games, or this team blows too many leads? I suppose both can co exist; but the latter might just cost us. No team wins every close game.

As for Solo, he may have reverted back to his mean. I still trust him in crunch time and having Mullins makes all the difference when Solo struggles.
 
GlastonTim said:
Dan said he was fully healthy last night. I know his numbers were good except free throws but I felt he played “soft” last night. He had a chance to power dunk a few last night and didn’t. Don’t get that. Big dunks can lift a team! I totally understand Dan wanting him to “unleash the bear” but don’t think we’ll see that from him unfortunately. The lack of beast mode is what is holding him back from being all american caliber player. The question I don’t know the answer to is why?
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21/9/3(with a bunch of points left at the line) vs a pretty good C tandem in Payne/Hines with them hanging all over his back during the game, he was anything but soft last night.
 
Donyell 360 said:
So if it bothers you more, than it is worse than just one miss. More than 1 is 2. Simple math. I'm not saying he missed 9 FT, I'm saying it was worse than just missing 8 FT's. Call it 8+ or whatever you like. The point is it is worse than just missing 8.

I agree it is akin to a TO, but the stat sheet doesn't list it as a TO either, so stats don't tell the whole story. I was trying to tell the rest of the story. But you weren't the only one to balk at my comment so maybe I'm the dumb one. But it makes sense in my warped mind.
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It also bothered me that the refs missed about 10 foul calls on Tarris, so on my personal stat sheet I'm marking him down for 29 missed FTs. Going to be tough to win if he keeps that up
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I was at the game. The refs were fine. We complain about the refs after every game. They are not out to get us.
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was there too:

1. When Braylon or more often Silas was dribbling north-south to drive they were routinely bumped enough to change their direction somewhat.
2. Early on a seton hall player got caught in the air coming down on Tarris - no call
3. lack of calls against SH include over the back, moving screens, hard bumps, hands pulling jerseys.
4. Calls on us included straight up defenses, barely a touch or on AK two phantom calls.

40+ whistles and at some point all of us in sec 6 were feeling the refs let this get out of hand.

Main culprit - John Gaffney
 
blkknight1 said:
I was so pissed I was like shut the hell up everytime the guy opened his mouth
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Wow, I guess I'm in the minority here. I found that guy entertaining as hell, he was making me chuckle all night.

I have no idea how he didn't lose his voice by the end of the game, lol
 
Iluvsuebird said:
I see your point now. But I disagree that any sane person wanted Alex on the bench. We dont win in 23 without him.
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100% that's what's so troubling. The thing that I truly think matters (as much as college sports matter) is that judging from player comments in interviews they actually do read the boneyard. I know every fan base has people who are overly harsh to some players but given our level of success and the anamoly that UConn is compared to other schools who dont develop 3-4 year guys who bleed their colors, i think we owe Solo more than what we are giving.
 
superjohn said:
I don't know why he isn't dunking but don't confuse not dunking with playing soft. Tarris most certainly didn't play soft last night. He had guys hanging on him the entire game and he was scoring through contact and drawing fouls all night and he erased a few that looked like easy Seton Hall scores.
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You’re right, he did play through being hacked most of the night. Guess soft was the wrong word. But I’d like see some statement Slams! He seems to want to be a finesse player when beast mode might be more fitting. Coach has been talking about unleashing the beast for 2 years. Maybe this is him at his best, but it seems with his size and build a Forceful Tarris is in there….somewhere. Does he ever get angry? I hope we get to see him play with more physicality.
 
aceboon said:
21/9/3(with a bunch of points left at the line) vs a pretty good C tandem in Payne/Hines with them hanging all over his back during the game, he was anything but soft last night.
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I hate keyboard commandos calling players "soft". Nobody on this team is soft. Still, Tarris is good for 3-4 missed bunnies a game and I'd like to see him bring that number down a bit.
 
Waquoit said:
I hate keyboard commandos calling players "soft". Nobody on this team is soft. Still, Tarris is good for 3-4 missed bunnies a game and I'd like to see him bring that number down a bit.
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Wrong word, my bad. Would like to see him play more forcefully. We’ve seen flashes. Could just be a personality thing.
 
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Lots of dumb stuff is said in the "chat" because every post is reactionary. These instantaneous reactions are mostly negative. There isn't time for a well thought out post because the chat has moved on in the time it takes to gain some perspective. If you decide to go into the chat. That is the price of admission.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I was at the game. The refs were fine. We complain about the refs after every game. They are not out to get us.
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That’s not the complaint. You are right. They are not out to get us. But the do permit much more clutching and grabbing and bumping than other leagues do. That hurts a team like UConn that relies on motion, ball movement and passing rather than just giving the ball to somebody to take it to the rim. And it was not just last night. You see the same crap in every NBE game. Now we have more talent than everybody else so we can overcome the football style defenses.
 
navery12 said:
It also bothered me that the refs missed about 10 foul calls on Tarris, so on my personal stat sheet I'm marking him down for 29 missed FTs. Going to be tough to win if he keeps that up
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Nice. That made me laugh. But that wouldn't be fair to Tarris as missed calls were not his fault, while missed front ends are.
 
FearThePups said:
I guess when you don’t have superior talent, you goon it up.
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That's exactly what Ed Cooley said when he was at PC and his preparation. Basically stated that they had no way to handle all the plays, cuts, screens etc. He said their plan would be "to muck it up" by physically overplaying and disrupting (grabbing, fouling etc.......whatever the refs give us). He did not define what "mucking it up" was but it wasn't any tactical response you could diagram.
 
thekollieman said:
I didn’t balk at anything. I just laughed when I read BigErn’s comment “you don’t,” in response to you saying, “…if you count that as two…”

I totally get where you’re coming from and find it more frustrating when a player misses the front end, but at the end of the day the free throws made and attempted are what they are. I’m sure certain outfits keep track of missed front ends nowadays so you could just follow that because that’s exactly what it is. It feels like two missed shots, it feels like a turnover, but objectively it is not those things.

Edit: to be clear, how you think of it does make sense to me and I think of it similarly, going back to when I played and my high school coach described it that way.
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Thank you. That's how I grew up thinking of it too. Those first 3 single bonus foul shots always made me extra nervous, one miss = TO. I'm glad I don't have to shoot FT's for a living.
 
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BugsyCT said:
I know, but the pic still works for the 2nd half situation.

Plus, it's Bill Murray in UConn gear. Gotta acknowledge it.
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It was an interesting reaction. He is quite the character. I wonder what he is like when not acting. Haven't seen him other than these reaction images the past few years. He played so many laid back characters. Even when the role called for concern, there was an underlying indifference. "Cats and dogs living together!"

I wonder if he is actually that laid back about everything or if he ever gets genuinely anxious about these games like I do? He must right?

Also interesting I have never seen Bill and Bob Sr. together. They seem like oil and water. Maybe that's why?
 
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