Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[CardiacAndre7]

29% from 3 for Solo is really rough jeez

 

[Tenspro2002]

It was actually 9 if you count 2 for missing front end of a 1 and 1.

I mean, very generously, I guess you could say we got 0 points on that possession when we had a chance for up to 2, even though he only missed 1 FT.

For his FT percentage, well, I won't state the obvious.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

To Holloway's credit, he took a ragtag group of players from the discount rack and cobbled them into a successful team. Aggressive defense makes up for a lot of shortcomings on offense. Seton halls version likely won't translate well to the postseason though. On the other hand, just getting to the dance is a shot in the arm that their program needed.

Definitely not a shot at Shaheen. He’s doing what he needs to win and taking advantage of what the BE will allow him to do. That team doesn’t have enough offensive talent to win without mucking it up like this

 

[buddy]

With legitimate refs we win that game by 25. Our offense was restricted by holds all game so we had no choice but to go to Reed. And they hacked him at will.

If Tarris made his free throws, it would have never even have gotten close. They played hack a Tarris with him and it almost worked.

 

[thekollieman]

Doesn't it bother you more when someone misses the front end of a one and one?

For sure. I’d liken it more to a turnover because you forego a shot attempt.

 

[Umami Zen]

After games like this- You can appreciate why Danny doesn't call fouls in team scrimmages-practices. Play through it.

 

[Donyell 360]

29% from 3 for Solo is really rough jeez

1-7 wasn't even his worst game from 3. He was 1-8 against AZ. When you look at the game logs, his average suffers because he has had a number of awful shooting games and only 1 really good one. He was 7-21 in his first three games, not awful. But then (1-5, 1-8, 1-6, 2-9). He bounced back with three decent games (3-7, 2-5, 3-8), then another 1-5, then his only truly good game (3-6) followed by a decent game (2-6), but the last four have been bad (1-5, 2-5, 0-1, 1-7). This seems more like a trend than a slump.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The complaints about the refs are getting exhausting.

UConn played pretty well on the road against a good team for 34 minutes or so, then UConn's offense got a little clumpy and Seton Hall cut the lead. Stuff happens. There is not some great conspiracy against UConn.

 

[Donyell 360]

For sure. I’d liken it more to a turnover because you forego a shot attempt.

So if it bothers you more, than it is worse than just one miss. More than 1 is 2. Simple math. I'm not saying he missed 9 FT, I'm saying it was worse than just missing 8 FT's. Call it 8+ or whatever you like. The point is it is worse than just missing 8.

I agree it is akin to a TO, but the stat sheet doesn't list it as a TO either, so stats don't tell the whole story. I was trying to tell the rest of the story. But you weren't the only one to balk at my comment so maybe I'm the dumb one. But it makes sense in my warped mind.

 

[sdglast]

I honestly thought UConn just fatigued a bit mentally and physically from the Seton Hall pressure defense. This was UConn's 3rd game in 6 days including the OT win over Providence. UConn looked a little lethargic at the end of the game, and I wonder if the lack of even an extra day off was catching up to them (they should get day off today ahead of Saturday's game). Seton Hall was off last week, so they had a week off and just one game this past Saturday. They were pretty well rested, and they play a lot of the same kind of players (height and weight) with mostly similar abilities, so they don't lose much when they go to their bench (and don't gain much either). They just go hard for 40 minutes. For me that was a good win last night. Quad 1 win, tough building for UConn to play in historically, and I am sure a juiced up crowd and Seton Hall team with them being ranked. On to Georgetown!

 

[Donyell 360]

I mean, very generously, I guess you could say we got 0 points on that possession when we had a chance for up to 2, even though he only missed 1 FT.

For his FT percentage, well, I won't state the obvious.

Exactly. We missed out on 2 points, not just one. I know the stat sheet doesn't record it that way but that's how I always think of it in my mind. But I'm getting a lot of push back on that so maybe I'm crazy.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Our offense is a slight issue right now, but a lot of it may be the way the Big East is played.

In our biggest 5 OOC games (Zona, BYU, Illinois, Florida, Kansas) we average 73 ppg. Now that may not be anything incredible, but those are all top-18 KenPom defenses. 73 ppg against elite defenses is not bad.

I agree with many posters and have pointed out that our offense gets bogged down for long stretches, and we definitely waste too much time really going nowhere, but I don’t think it is a massive problem for our tournament/postseason prospects.

 

[noelle]

The physical defense seton hall played is a good experience for this team and basically exactly what they need to face. you can't be a one dimensional off ball team that fold if the calls don't go your way and expect to win the big games. but they need to have actual answers in this situation and currently it seems to be dumping it to tarris and let him bail out the possession. need to come up with other options.

with that said the offense was pretty decent outside of the turnovers and 3 pt shooting. they were able to exploit SH on the inside going 22/32 on 2's and shooting a majority of their shots near the rim with their highest ftr for the season against decent opponents.

 

[Stew Crew]

Most of the negativity is not about UConn, it's about the bozo BE / Refs that allow constant grabbing & holding on D so there is zero chance to create offensive. SH does what they're allowed to do by the BE, UConn just plays great basketball when they're allowed to. Great road win our guys gutted out just not a great watch.

The issues you bring up are consistent across the Big East, even with the good officials. To me, that points to the Supervisor of Officials, or higher. Someone gives the referees their marching orders; focus on this, less emphasis on that. I think John Cahill is still the supervisor for Men's Big East basketball, which explains a lot.

 

[BugsyCT]

That was his reaction to Smith making a shot.

I know, but the pic still works for the 2nd half situation.

Plus, it's Bill Murray in UConn gear. Gotta acknowledge it.

 

[superjohn]

The complaints about the refs are getting exhausting.

UConn played pretty well on the road against a good team for 34 minutes or so, then UConn's offense got a little clumpy and Seton Hall cut the lead. Stuff happens. There is not some great conspiracy against UConn.

I would normally agree but if you don't think the refs let Seton Hall play that game like a 90's football game then you either didn't watch the game or you didn't know what you were watching.

 

[noelle]

29% from 3 for Solo is really rough jeez

he was looking better and better and then injured his wrist, it's a pretty rough year.

 

[GlastonTim]

I’ve had the privilege of seeing Tarris live in a few games so far and last night his demeanor, lack of dunking, walking to and from the bench he seemed 75% IMHO.

He was the biggest talented player out there and just kept getting hacked, double teamed and jumped on (yes early one SH player goes airborne, hits him, no call).

I suspect he might be GTD vs Georgetown but gets a week to rest after that.

Dan said he was fully healthy last night. I know his numbers were good except free throws but I felt he played “soft” last night. He had a chance to power dunk a few last night and didn’t. Don’t get that. Big dunks can lift a team! I totally understand Dan wanting him to “unleash the bear” but don’t think we’ll see that from him unfortunately. The lack of beast mode is what is holding him back from being all american caliber player. The question I don’t know the answer to is why?

 

[Iluvsuebird]

I'll never stop bringing it up- we were saying the exact same thing about andre Jackson at this time of year in '23.

plus, Solo was one of our best scorers beginning 1/4 of the year. I'm still with him

You need to stop saying that. The Andre-Solo comp is so bad, its all-time bad comp. Andre brought defensive, rebounds, assists, energy. He was our heart and soul. Never was an offense first guy. Solo is exclusively an offense guy. And he has not been elite this year. That said, Solo got better around the rim. And his defense is not awful, all the time, like it used to be. And the kid plays hard. I love him. But after 17 games, I think its time we wonder if last year's version of Solo will make an appearance this year.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I've been thinking about why people are still down on a 17-1 team and it always comes back to one thing: anxiety.
I think many absolutely hate the physical anguish/anxiety of these tight games. We loved the 23 and 24 ncaa tourneys because we just cruised thru every game. This year's team can clearly win it all but we may have to sweat. People dont like to sweat (see the women's board)

Don't discount the degenerate gambler fans who are losing money when UConn fails to cover the spread. UConn has been awful against the spread this year and it leads to the narrative they're playing as well as they should.

From a non-gambler perspective, the team's inability to close out games and finish the game with a large lead the team built in the first 30 minutes, lends itself to a team without a killer instinct. Throw in inconsistent 3 pt shooting games and inconsistent FT shooting games and it gives fans angst on how that can knock UConn out of the tourney when they run in to a team that doesn't beat itself.

 

[superjohn]

Dan said he was fully healthy last night. I know his numbers were good except free throws but I felt he played “soft” last night. He had a chance to power dunk a few last night and didn’t. Don’t get that. Big dunks can lift a team! I totally understand Dan wanting him to “unleash the bear” but don’t think we’ll see that from him unfortunately. The lack of beast mode is what is holding him back from being all american caliber player. The question I don’t know the answer to is why?

I don't know why he isn't dunking but don't confuse not dunking with playing soft. Tarris most certainly didn't play soft last night. He had guys hanging on him the entire game and he was scoring through contact and drawing fouls all night and he erased a few that looked like easy Seton Hall scores.

 

[thekollieman]

So if it bothers you more, than it is worse than just one miss. More than 1 is 2. Simple math. I'm not saying he missed 9 FT, I'm saying it was worse than just missing 8 FT's. Call it 8+ or whatever you like. The point is it is worse than just missing 8.

I agree it is akin to a TO, but the stat sheet doesn't list it as a TO either, so stats don't tell the whole story. I was trying to tell the rest of the story. But you weren't the only one to balk at my comment so maybe I'm the dumb one. But it makes sense in my warped mind.

I didn’t balk at anything. I just laughed when I read BigErn’s comment “you don’t,” in response to you saying, “…if you count that as two…”

I totally get where you’re coming from and find it more frustrating when a player misses the front end, but at the end of the day the free throws made and attempted are what they are. I’m sure certain outfits keep track of missed front ends nowadays so you could just follow that because that’s exactly what it is. It feels like two missed shots, it feels like a turnover, but objectively it is not those things.

Edit: to be clear, how you think of it does make sense to me and I think of it similarly, going back to when I played and my high school coach described it that way.

 

[JSB60]

It was as bad as a league win on the road against a ranked team could be, which is still OK with me.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I would normally agree but if you don't think the refs let Seton Hall play that game like a 90's football game then you either didn't watch the game or you didn't know what you were watching.

I was at the game. The refs were fine. We complain about the refs after every game. They are not out to get us.

 

[Dutch Boyd]

It still amazes me how we deliberately let teams set up their press.

Grab the fricken ball as soon as it goes through the hoop, inbound to an outlet and push it up the floor. It can’t be any worse than what we do now.

This! They let the ball just roll around on the floor. Was yelling the same thing at the tv.