Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[Deepster]

I've been thinking about why people are still down on a 17-1 team and it always comes back to one thing: anxiety.
I think many absolutely hate the physical anguish/anxiety of these tight games. We loved the 23 and 24 ncaa tourneys because we just cruised thru every game. This year's team can clearly win it all but we may have to sweat. People dont like to sweat (see the women's board)

We're spoiled and entitled. There is NOTHING to be upset about. If you're nitpicking about FT shooting or Solo's 3 pt %, you're just bored or completely spoiled or both.

 

[thekollieman]

After last night, Solo has officially lost his spot as the PPG leader

Tarris: 14.5 points at 62.1%
Solo: 14.4 at 43.3% and 28.8% from three
Karaban: 13.9 at 50% and 43.9% from three
Braylon: 11.7 at 48.2% and 37.9% from three
Silas: 10.1 at 46.8% and 41.2% from three

This team can beat you in so many different ways

Coming into the season I felt like Tarris should be our leading scoring. However, I’d like to see that be the case a la Adama, whereby we feed the beast and he connects a ton (which has been happening of late), rather than because Solo ticks down. That being said, I have no doubt Solo has some bangers coming soon. With his potential to explode any given night, I reckon he’ll pop back up above 15ppg soon enough. Same could easily happen with Braylon.

 

[DogMania]

We all criticize players. But this goes beyond. To say a guy is unplayable or shouldn't play is just absurd. Don't play Tristen Newton, don't play Andre Jackson, don't play Alex Karaban, now don't play Solo Ball. This stuff is getting old. And no, it's not being a real fan. So says I.

I agree. There are some extreme views. It's not like Solo has forgotten how to play basketball. And many have short memories of some of the good performances this season on both ends of the floor.

And do people realize that he had 8 point, 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals last night? He had some good moments, but the five turnovers and his 1-7 from 3 resulted in Hurley deciding to keep him on the bench for some long stretches.

It's not like we haven't seen some of our good players in the past have a tough stretch where they struggled with their shot and overall game. One thing Solo needs to learn, though has shown this at times, is to find ways to contribute on the floor when his shot is not falling.

There's still a lot of ball to be played, and the team needs a good Solo Ball. I'm sure he's going to turn it around this season. He's got all the tools to be a very good all around player. All it takes is for him to have a couple of consecutive solid games to regain his confidence and get back on track.

 

[Northbound]

I’ve stopped listening to the spaces. All it is now is that loser account NoEscalators crying about the metrics.

100%

I’ve tried to listen that dopey spaces a few years back and was noticeably less intelligent for doing so.

 

[AllHusky]

Free throws and inbounding the ball. That’s about it for complaints. Team fouls too much, which led to an absolute slog in the second half.

They could use more of Demary driving late in the clock. He remains the best and only one off the dribble. Love the offense, but officials in big east allow too much grabbing off ball. Hard to get open.

I think Malachi is close than we think to being a threat to get in the lane and score(??) or dish. I saw glimmers of a really helpful backup PG last night. A little more playing time and confidence.

 

[Inyatkin]

We all criticize players. But this goes beyond. To say a guy is unplayable or shouldn't play is just absurd. Don't play Tristen Newton, don't play Andre Jackson, don't play Alex Karaban, now don't play Solo Ball. This stuff is getting old. And no, it's not being a real fan. So says I.

If someone is actually "unplayable," which is a word thrown around way too often here, there's a simple answer -- they don't play. We have 15 guys on the roster. If a starter is unplayable, someone else gets those minutes.

The coaching staff doesn't think someone getting 31 minutes is unplayable.

 

[Donyell 360]

It was frustrating watching Tarris miss all those free throws but keep in mind, his getting to the line so much put SH in foul trouble and changed how they defended us. He also missed some and-one free throws which don't hurt as much. But hopefully going forward he can shoot >60%. He seems to have a decent stroke. Hopefully just an anomaly.

 

[Excalibur]

Didn’t he lead the Big East last year in 3 pt shooting %?

"He's never been a really good three point shooter" is an all time take. After November of his freshman year, he was around 45%. He was over 40 last year.

The random cr@p that people post here is incredible.

 

[Lafayette]

It was frustrating watching Tarris miss all those free throws but keep in mind, his getting to the line so much put SH in foul trouble and changed how they defended us. He also missed some and-one free throws which don't hurt as much. But hopefully going forward he can shoot >60%. He seems to have a decent stroke. Hopefully just an anomaly.

I’ve had the privilege of seeing Tarris live in a few games so far and last night his demeanor, lack of dunking, walking to and from the bench he seemed 75% IMHO.

He was the biggest talented player out there and just kept getting hacked, double teamed and jumped on (yes early one SH player goes airborne, hits him, no call).

I suspect he might be GTD vs Georgetown but gets a week to rest after that.

 

[CL82]

This isn’t an anti-Hurley thing, SHU pretty consistently gets this whistle. Their whole gameplan is to dare the refs to call every foul. They’re also not really dependent on offensive skill, so it’s easy to go deep into their bench to manage foul trouble.

To Holloway's credit, he took a ragtag group of players from the discount rack and cobbled them into a successful team. Aggressive defense makes up for a lot of shortcomings on offense. Seton halls version likely won't translate well to the postseason though. On the other hand, just getting to the dance is a shot in the arm that their program needed.

 

[Donyell 360]

If someone is actually "unplayable," which is a word thrown around way too often here, there's a simple answer -- they don't play. We have 15 guys on the roster. If a starter is unplayable, someone else gets those minutes.

The coaching staff doesn't think someone getting 31 minutes is unplayable.

The word "unplayable" is clearly hyperbole. People exaggerate when they are frustrated to emphasize their frustration, which in turn makes literalists more frustrated and criticize, sometimes with hyperbole of their own, with statements like, "they aren't real fans." It is a vicious cycle. At some point you just have to be the adult and stop. That's not a criticism of you, just a general observation.

 

[HuskiesFourLife]

"He's never been a really good three point shooter" is an all time take. After November of his freshman year, he was around 45%. He was over 40 last year.

The random cr@p that people post here is incredible.

Exactly. One of the best 3 point shooters in the country last year. Could be his wrist is bothering him but he will find his shot soon. In the meantime he is contributing in many ways

 

[Donyell 360]

To Holloway's credit, he took a ragtag group of players from the discount rack and cobbled them into a successful team. Aggressive defense makes up for a lot of shortcomings on offense. Seton halls version likely won't translate well to the postseason though. On the other hand, just getting to the dance is a shot in the arm that their program needed.

And good for the big east and thus good for UConn. If they get in they are probably 1 of 4, which is more than some are predicting.

 

[RichZ]

Offense disappeared the last 6 min

As did the defense.

 

[Palatine]

In some ways last night's result is the best of all possible worlds. Sometimes people talk about a "good loss" as a teaching tool. This game will give Hurley a ton of film to work with, but we still ended up with the "W".

I think we already have enough film and teaching tools this year. I would love to see the application of that learning and less 25 points turning into 11 points, and 18 points turning into a 1.

 

[Inyatkin]

The word "unplayable" is clearly hyperbole. People exaggerate when they are frustrated to emphasize their frustration, which in turn makes literalists more frustrated and criticize, sometimes with hyperbole of their own, with statements like, "they aren't real fans." It is a vicious cycle. At some point you just have to be the adult and stop. That's not a criticism of you, just a general observation.

 

[Tenspro2002]

This is an old strategy. Pitino's Louisville teams did the same thing. Many others have played this way over the years. Nolan Richardson did it at Arkansas did it too back in the day (40 minutes of hell). It can definitely be used to spring an upset of a more talented team and if your team is deep, you can spread the fouls. But you're not winning a tournament with that style of play. St. Johns last year is an example.

Absolutely correct. Aside from Louisville, this is why UConn had to carry the conference in the Tournament for decades. Pitt is another famous example.

The Big East loves its reputation, but it makes for a horrible product and risks killing its golden goose. Short-sighted and dumb.

 

[imno1]

Technically true, but you should. When you miss the first, you essentially miss them both. You shouldn't be rewarded for forfeiting the second shot. It is the same result as if you missed both on a shooting foul.

I feel dumber for reading this

 

[Donyell 360]

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Donyell and Ray were definitely playable. No hyperbole!

 

[Donyell 360]

I feel dumber for reading this

Doesn't it bother you more when someone misses the front end of a one and one?

 

[CardiacAndre7]

29% from 3 for Solo is really rough jeez

 

[Tenspro2002]

It was actually 9 if you count 2 for missing front end of a 1 and 1.

I mean, very generously, I guess you could say we got 0 points on that possession when we had a chance for up to 2, even though he only missed 1 FT.

For his FT percentage, well, I won't state the obvious.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

To Holloway's credit, he took a ragtag group of players from the discount rack and cobbled them into a successful team. Aggressive defense makes up for a lot of shortcomings on offense. Seton halls version likely won't translate well to the postseason though. On the other hand, just getting to the dance is a shot in the arm that their program needed.

Definitely not a shot at Shaheen. He’s doing what he needs to win and taking advantage of what the BE will allow him to do. That team doesn’t have enough offensive talent to win without mucking it up like this

 

[buddy]

With legitimate refs we win that game by 25. Our offense was restricted by holds all game so we had no choice but to go to Reed. And they hacked him at will.

If Tarris made his free throws, it would have never even have gotten close. They played hack a Tarris with him and it almost worked.

 

[thekollieman]

Doesn't it bother you more when someone misses the front end of a one and one?

For sure. I’d liken it more to a turnover because you forego a shot attempt.

 

[Umami Zen]

After games like this- You can appreciate why Danny doesn't call fouls in team scrimmages-practices. Play through it.

 

[Donyell 360]

29% from 3 for Solo is really rough jeez

1-7 wasn't even his worst game from 3. He was 1-8 against AZ. When you look at the game logs, his average suffers because he has had a number of awful shooting games and only 1 really good one. He was 7-21 in his first three games, not awful. But then (1-5, 1-8, 1-6, 2-9). He bounced back with three decent games (3-7, 2-5, 3-8), then another 1-5, then his only truly good game (3-6) followed by a decent game (2-6), but the last four have been bad (1-5, 2-5, 0-1, 1-7). This seems more like a trend than a slump.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The complaints about the refs are getting exhausting.

UConn played pretty well on the road against a good team for 34 minutes or so, then UConn's offense got a little clumpy and Seton Hall cut the lead. Stuff happens. There is not some great conspiracy against UConn.

 

[Donyell 360]

For sure. I’d liken it more to a turnover because you forego a shot attempt.

So if it bothers you more, than it is worse than just one miss. More than 1 is 2. Simple math. I'm not saying he missed 9 FT, I'm saying it was worse than just missing 8 FT's. Call it 8+ or whatever you like. The point is it is worse than just missing 8.

I agree it is akin to a TO, but the stat sheet doesn't list it as a TO either, so stats don't tell the whole story. I was trying to tell the rest of the story. But you weren't the only one to balk at my comment so maybe I'm the dumb one. But it makes sense in my warped mind.

 

[sdglast]

I honestly thought UConn just fatigued a bit mentally and physically from the Seton Hall pressure defense. This was UConn's 3rd game in 6 days including the OT win over Providence. UConn looked a little lethargic at the end of the game, and I wonder if the lack of even an extra day off was catching up to them (they should get day off today ahead of Saturday's game). Seton Hall was off last week, so they had a week off and just one game this past Saturday. They were pretty well rested, and they play a lot of the same kind of players (height and weight) with mostly similar abilities, so they don't lose much when they go to their bench (and don't gain much either). They just go hard for 40 minutes. For me that was a good win last night. Quad 1 win, tough building for UConn to play in historically, and I am sure a juiced up crowd and Seton Hall team with them being ranked. On to Georgetown!