Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[my2cents]

What we all saw last night was not basketball. Maybe Rugby? If offensive players can not run without be held, bumped, tripped, the game loses any semblance of basketball.

 

[HuskyHawk]

He's learned to game the system by the fact that the refs won't call fouls on his guys more than 40% of possessions. Every un-called foul they commit beyond that is a boon to his defense.

This is an old strategy. Pitino's Louisville teams did the same thing. Many others have played this way over the years. Nolan Richardson did it at Arkansas did it too back in the day (40 minutes of hell). It can definitely be used to spring an upset of a more talented team and if your team is deep, you can spread the fouls. But you're not winning a tournament with that style of play. St. Johns last year is an example.

 

[Donyell 360]

Solo is a good scorer without the threes falling. He’s at 14 points a game despite shooting 29% from three. He was a pretty reliable 14-20 point scorer for most of the season until Providence even while missing his threes

It’s the 3 games since then where his two point game hasn’t been enough to counter him not making threes. The automatic midrange jumpers and strong finishing at the rim hasn’t been there. It’s clearly not a skill or gameplan issue. He’s in a mental funk. Good thing about mental funks is that they eventually end

Unfortunately eventually could mean next year. Someone else pointed out the similarity to AK's struggles last year. The good news is that AK still found ways to help the team even when his 3 ball wasn't falling. Solo needs to do the same. He certain was until the last few games so no reason to think he won't. And its not like he hasn't done anything good. I thought he rebounded the ball well. That dunk was nice. When he does figure out how to impact the game more efficiently, it will just make us stronger.

 

[Lafayette]

Unfortunately eventually could mean next year. Someone else pointed out the similarity to AK's struggles last year. The good news is that AK still found ways to help the team even when his 3 ball wasn't falling. Solo needs to do the same. He certain was until the last few games so no reason to think he won't. And its not like he hasn't done anything good. I thought he rebounded the ball well. That dunk was nice. When he does figure out how to impact the game more efficiently, it will just make us stronger.

Solo has been great at positioning for rebounds, bringing the ball up court, some well timed blocks, scrambling for the loose ball.

His defense like last year is a work in progress and in general improved last year.

This year he is struggling on 3 pt shooting and bis defense is just not top 5 of our players so is substituted on defense for Ross or Braylon.

Mental funk should end by EOM.

 

[Palatine]

Free throws and inbounding the ball. That’s about it for complaints. Team fouls too much, which led to an absolute slog in the second half.

They could use more of Demary driving late in the clock. He remains the best and only one off the dribble. Love the offense, but officials in big east allow too much grabbing off ball. Hard to get open.

This is exactly right.

One thing I found befuddling. Late in the game, after SH scores, Karaban would grab the ball and.... the rest of the team would wait before getting into their action. There was almost no urgency getting the ball inbounds until a couple of seconds into the five count. When the ball goes though the net, they should be ready to go. Maybe, they have to wait for a sign from the bench or someone on the court. But if so, that operation should start faster. I really don't understand why they are so lackadaisical starting their action.

 

[Deepster]

I've been thinking about why people are still down on a 17-1 team and it always comes back to one thing: anxiety.
I think many absolutely hate the physical anguish/anxiety of these tight games. We loved the 23 and 24 ncaa tourneys because we just cruised thru every game. This year's team can clearly win it all but we may have to sweat. People dont like to sweat (see the women's board)

We're spoiled and entitled. There is NOTHING to be upset about. If you're nitpicking about FT shooting or Solo's 3 pt %, you're just bored or completely spoiled or both.

 

[thekollieman]

After last night, Solo has officially lost his spot as the PPG leader

Tarris: 14.5 points at 62.1%
Solo: 14.4 at 43.3% and 28.8% from three
Karaban: 13.9 at 50% and 43.9% from three
Braylon: 11.7 at 48.2% and 37.9% from three
Silas: 10.1 at 46.8% and 41.2% from three

This team can beat you in so many different ways

Coming into the season I felt like Tarris should be our leading scoring. However, I’d like to see that be the case a la Adama, whereby we feed the beast and he connects a ton (which has been happening of late), rather than because Solo ticks down. That being said, I have no doubt Solo has some bangers coming soon. With his potential to explode any given night, I reckon he’ll pop back up above 15ppg soon enough. Same could easily happen with Braylon.

 

[DogMania]

We all criticize players. But this goes beyond. To say a guy is unplayable or shouldn't play is just absurd. Don't play Tristen Newton, don't play Andre Jackson, don't play Alex Karaban, now don't play Solo Ball. This stuff is getting old. And no, it's not being a real fan. So says I.

I agree. There are some extreme views. It's not like Solo has forgotten how to play basketball. And many have short memories of some of the good performances this season on both ends of the floor.

And do people realize that he had 8 point, 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals last night? He had some good moments, but the five turnovers and his 1-7 from 3 resulted in Hurley deciding to keep him on the bench for some long stretches.

It's not like we haven't seen some of our good players in the past have a tough stretch where they struggle with their shot and overall game. One thing solo needs to learn, no has shown this at times, to find ways to contribute on the floor when his shot is not falling.

There's still a lot of ball to be played, and the team needs a good Solo Ball. I'm sure he's going to turn it around this season. He's got all the tools to be a very good all around player. All it takes is for him to have a couple of consecutive solid games to regain his confidence and get back on track.

 

[Northbound]

I’ve stopped listening to the spaces. All it is now is that loser account NoEscalators crying about the metrics.

100%

I’ve tried to listen that dopey spaces a few years back and was noticeably less intelligent for doing so.

 

[AllHusky]

Free throws and inbounding the ball. That’s about it for complaints. Team fouls too much, which led to an absolute slog in the second half.

They could use more of Demary driving late in the clock. He remains the best and only one off the dribble. Love the offense, but officials in big east allow too much grabbing off ball. Hard to get open.

I think Malachi is close than we think to being a threat to get in the lane and score(??) or dish. I saw glimmers of a really helpful backup PG last night. A little more playing time and confidence.

 

[Inyatkin]

We all criticize players. But this goes beyond. To say a guy is unplayable or shouldn't play is just absurd. Don't play Tristen Newton, don't play Andre Jackson, don't play Alex Karaban, now don't play Solo Ball. This stuff is getting old. And no, it's not being a real fan. So says I.

If someone is actually "unplayable," which is a word thrown around way too often here, there's a simple answer -- they don't play. We have 15 guys on the roster. If a starter is unplayable, someone else gets those minutes.

The coaching staff doesn't think someone getting 31 minutes is unplayable.

 

[Donyell 360]

It was frustrating watching Tarris miss all those free throws but keep in mind, his getting to the line so much put SH in foul trouble and changed how they defended us. He also missed some and-one free throws which don't hurt as much. But hopefully going forward he can shoot >60%. He seems to have a decent stroke. Hopefully just an anomaly.

 

[Excalibur]

Didn’t he lead the Big East last year in 3 pt shooting %?

"He's never been a really good three point shooter" is an all time take. After November of his freshman year, he was around 45%. He was over 40 last year.

The random cr@p that people post here is incredible.

 

[Lafayette]

It was frustrating watching Tarris miss all those free throws but keep in mind, his getting to the line so much put SH in foul trouble and changed how they defended us. He also missed some and-one free throws which don't hurt as much. But hopefully going forward he can shoot >60%. He seems to have a decent stroke. Hopefully just an anomaly.

I’ve had the privilege of seeing Tarris live in a few games so far and last night his demeanor, lack of dunking, walking to and from the bench he seemed 75% IMHO.

He was the biggest talented player out there and just kept getting hacked, double teamed and jumped on (yes early one SH player goes airborne, hits him, no call).

I suspect he might be GTD vs Georgetown but gets a week to rest after that.

 

[CL82]

This isn’t an anti-Hurley thing, SHU pretty consistently gets this whistle. Their whole gameplan is to dare the refs to call every foul. They’re also not really dependent on offensive skill, so it’s easy to go deep into their bench to manage foul trouble.

To Holloway's credit, he took a ragtag group of players from the discount rack and cobbled them into a successful team. Aggressive defense makes up for a lot of shortcomings on offense. Seton halls version likely won't translate well to the postseason though. On the other hand, just getting to the dance is a shot in the arm that their program needed.

 

[Donyell 360]

If someone is actually "unplayable," which is a word thrown around way too often here, there's a simple answer -- they don't play. We have 15 guys on the roster. If a starter is unplayable, someone else gets those minutes.

The coaching staff doesn't think someone getting 31 minutes is unplayable.

The word "unplayable" is clearly hyperbole. People exaggerate when they are frustrated to emphasize their frustration, which in turn makes literalists more frustrated and criticize, sometimes with hyperbole of their own, with statements like, "they aren't real fans." It is a vicious cycle. At some point you just have to be the adult and stop. That's not a criticism of you, just a general observation.

 

[HuskiesFourLife]

"He's never been a really good three point shooter" is an all time take. After November of his freshman year, he was around 45%. He was over 40 last year.

The random cr@p that people post here is incredible.

Exactly. One of the best 3 point shooters in the country last year. Could be his wrist is bothering him but he will find his shot soon. In the meantime he is contributing in many ways

 

[Donyell 360]

To Holloway's credit, he took a ragtag group of players from the discount rack and cobbled them into a successful team. Aggressive defense makes up for a lot of shortcomings on offense. Seton halls version likely won't translate well to the postseason though. On the other hand, just getting to the dance is a shot in the arm that their program needed.

And good for the big east and thus good for UConn. If they get in they are probably 1 of 4, which is more than some are predicting.

 

[RichZ]

Offense disappeared the last 6 min

As did the defense.

 

[Palatine]

In some ways last night's result is the best of all possible worlds. Sometimes people talk about a "good loss" as a teaching tool. This game will give Hurley a ton of film to work with, but we still ended up with the "W".

I think we already have enough film and teaching tools this year. I would love to see the application of that learning and less 25 points turning into 11 points, and 18 points turning into a 1.

 

[Inyatkin]

The word "unplayable" is clearly hyperbole. People exaggerate when they are frustrated to emphasize their frustration, which in turn makes literalists more frustrated and criticize, sometimes with hyperbole of their own, with statements like, "they aren't real fans." It is a vicious cycle. At some point you just have to be the adult and stop. That's not a criticism of you, just a general observation.

 

[Tenspro2002]

This is an old strategy. Pitino's Louisville teams did the same thing. Many others have played this way over the years. Nolan Richardson did it at Arkansas did it too back in the day (40 minutes of hell). It can definitely be used to spring an upset of a more talented team and if your team is deep, you can spread the fouls. But you're not winning a tournament with that style of play. St. Johns last year is an example.

Absolutely correct. Aside from Louisville, this is why UConn had to carry the conference in the Tournament for decades. Pitt is another famous example.

The Big East loves its reputation, but it makes for a horrible product and risks killing its golden goose. Short-sighted and dumb.

 

[imno1]

Technically true, but you should. When you miss the first, you essentially miss them both. You shouldn't be rewarded for forfeiting the second shot. It is the same result as if you missed both on a shooting foul.

I feel dumber for reading this

 

[Donyell 360]

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Donyell and Ray were definitely playable. No hyperbole!

 

[Donyell 360]

I feel dumber for reading this

Doesn't it bother you more when someone misses the front end of a one and one?