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Seton Hall Post Game Thread

I’m generally anti blaming refs but you can really tell some of the big East refs have it out for Hurley at this point. I don’t know his name but the Elmer Fudd looking one will never give him an even whistle
This isn’t an anti-Hurley thing, SHU pretty consistently gets this whistle. Their whole gameplan is to dare the refs to call every foul. They’re also not really dependent on offensive skill, so it’s easy to go deep into their bench to manage foul trouble.
 
Horrid officiating. How Val is allowed to run this clown show of a conference is beyond me. You don’t let your only viable national contender that keeps the conference relevant get dumped on by vindictive refs to make a point. You don’t hobble your best runner so the rest can feel good about themselves.
This was an extreme example, I’ll grant you but it was in many ways standard practice in the NBE. It has to be driven by the front office trying to encourage the branding of the league as hard nosed, tough and a little thuggish. It makes many games unwatchable as last nights basically became. UConn didn’t score from the field for the last 6 minutes mostly because every shooter got not just fouled but pounded. Just awful. Providence was similar just not quite as bad with worse players.
 
Can you take your negativity elsewhere? The amount of open looks we get is insane. No other team can match them. When - not if - those shots start falling, we’ll be more than OK and shoot up your coveted Ken Pom rankings.

My gosh, we’re 17-1 for crying out loud. And we’ve beat some pretty good teams along the way. But we gotta read absolute crap like this.
I've been thinking about why people are still down on a 17-1 team and it always comes back to one thing: anxiety.
I think many absolutely hate the physical anguish/anxiety of these tight games. We loved the 23 and 24 ncaa tourneys because we just cruised thru every game. This year's team can clearly win it all but we may have to sweat. People dont like to sweat (see the women's board)
 
I wish people would stop complaining about the refs. If they called it tight last night Tarris would have played 15 minutes and Demary maybe less. I actually thought the refs did a decent job. The one call I thought was bad was the block on Solo in the lane. Thought it was an obvious charge. I will watch the replay to see if my initial opinion on the officiating is wrong.
 
Was curious so looked up where Shaheen Holloway ranks in terms of free throw rate on defense. It's exactly what you'd expect and lots of red. I have no idea what happened in 2024 where his team suddenly just committed no fouls

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Some of the "turnovers" were not turnovers. Watch with 57.4 seconds to go. Tell me if you can catch a ball with Josh Rivera jumping on your back.
 
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I think I might try to watch the next game w/o also being on chat. I have to think it's a far better experience. Half the people on chat don't deserve this team.

I view the chat in this way... I have to watch UConn alone. I cannot stand being in the presence of other humans in that scenario. I'm still scarred from having 297 people in my dorm room to watch 77-74 and having to listen to idiots not understand basketball and block my view while having the spins from excess Keystone Light.

But I do like talking about the game as it goes on. 75% of chat is people complaining about the officials, yelling foul on non-fouls, and people taking shots at our players. The other 25% is legit good bball talk, imo. It's very easy to allow the person saying "player/coach x sucks" to scroll by and instead engage with a knowledgeable human who has a legit piece of insight.

I also like the chat because I watch via stream, and usually I'm endlessly behind. So it's cool seeing someone yell out "Mullins!" a minute before it happens...
 
Was curious so looked up where Shaheen Holloway ranks in terms of free throw rate on defense. It's exactly what you'd expect and lots of red. I have no idea what happened in 2024 where his team suddenly just committed no fouls

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They had a ton more offensive skill that year and didn’t have to/couldn’t afford to run the rock fight system. Kadary, Dre Davis, and Dawes. Rotation was much shorter than the other years.
 
Nah recruits could care less about what a great program does against one BE team at their place. The easy answer was yeah we’ve had a tough time against the Pirates here and it’s nice to get off the snide. His arrogance was ill timed there.

100000000%. He took the "we" and personalized it into "my legacy." To play amateur psychologist, it just seems like he still has so much unprocessed "stuff" in regards to Seton Hall, and it just comes out in strange ways. It would've been so incredibly easy to just say, "Yes, it was a hard-fought win, and we have struggled here." Not "my legacy..."
 
It was turnovers and missed free throws. We ran good sets but got fouled and then Tarris missed free throws.
Tarris had been doing so well at the line. His form and confidence has looked great. However, he did have a bad night last night, but he came through when the game was on the line.
 
This isn’t an anti-Hurley thing, SHU pretty consistently gets this whistle. Their whole gameplan is to dare the refs to call every foul. They’re also not really dependent on offensive skill, so it’s easy to go deep into their bench to manage foul trouble.
It’s not just last night with that ref.
 
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I've been thinking about why people are still down on a 17-1 team and it always comes back to one thing: anxiety.
I think many absolutely hate the physical anguish/anxiety of these tight games. We loved the 23 and 24 ncaa tourneys because we just cruised thru every game. This year's team can clearly win it all but we may have to sweat. People dont like to sweat (see the women's board)

Dumo, I think you're giving people too much credit regarding it being anxiety. I think a large portion of our fanbase is just entitled babies. It's utter insanity that people are complaining after a road win against a top 25 team, with our program winning six titles in the last 27 years, when 99% of the other fanbases in D1 basketball would kill for a portion of our success.

My first memory of UConn basketball was like 1984 or 85 and watching Patrick Ewing utterly destroy us and thinking that UConn basketball was a joke. Consider where we are now and how freaking lucky we are as a fanbase.
 
Reibe is a worse foul shooter than Reed. 46.2% vs 57.6%
My thinking was if Reibe was in he would not be a focal point on offense and he would not be touching the ball as much, which would mean that AK, Bray, Silas and Ball would be handling the ball at crunch time since they are all very good at the line. Not that Reibe is a better free throw shooter than Tarris.
 
The chat was insufferable for this game. So much whining. It's unbecoming a UConn fan to whine and complain. This game was just like every game against SH, PC or St. Johns. They all clutch, grab and hold and no the Big East doesn't view off ball fouls as fouls unless blood is drawn. Hurley has complained about it and they don't care. So we are finding ways to tough these games out, a bit like Rocky vs Apollo Creed. We know we'll take a beating. Once we get in the NCAAs, it feels like easy street and this has proven to be to our benefit. So stop complaining so much.

FT shooting stunk, especially Reed, but he knows it. 3 point shooting was awful. I will repeat my view that if he's not hitting 3s, Solo isn't a particularly good basketball player. Great late block from Mullins. Our defense is our identity this year, the offense is just not nearly as pretty as in 23 or 24.
 
Agreed. Count me as a Solo supporter. I do think he should be a little more selective with his 3 point attempts until he starts seeing them go in again.
Solo’s misses on 3’s were close though with a couple of exceptions- pure center of basket just a tad long, so they clanked off the back of the rim. If he is dealing with a lingering wrist injury, he will heal and his shooting touch will come back. UConn is so much tougher to beat when he is shooting well. Mullins had another block too, I think, that was big- a couple of minutes before. SH player took a shot in the lane and Mullins from behind got the block by reaching on top of the ball.
 
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Was curious so looked up where Shaheen Holloway ranks in terms of free throw rate on defense. It's exactly what you'd expect and lots of red. I have no idea what happened in 2024 where his team suddenly just committed no fouls

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He's learned to game the system by the fact that the refs won't call fouls on his guys more than 40% of possessions. Every un-called foul they commit beyond that is a boon to his defense.
 
Not sure what about that question triggered Danny but it was an awful look. Just say even championship teams lost here, shows you how tough it is to play here and why we're so proud of the win tonight. Done.
Katz questioned seemed to be like "why do you think you couldn't win here in the past" which kind of painted Dan Hurley as a loser who finally figured it out (which is a pretty dumb question to ask the winning coach whose team just won a tough road win). Not sure if Dan Hurley and Katz have had problems in the past. The fact that the question wasn't accurate to begin with (Won in 2020) makes you wonder what Katz motivation was and Danny just straightened him out quick. I don't think he was being defensive this time. Just slapped him in the face but did it professionally. Turned the tables to a very stupid question
 
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The chat was insufferable for this game. So much whining. It's unbecoming a UConn fan to whine and complain. This game was just like every game against SH, PC or St. Johns. They all clutch, grab and hold and no the Big East doesn't view off ball fouls as fouls unless blood is drawn. Hurley has complained about it and they don't care. So we are finding ways to tough these games out, a bit like Rocky vs Apollo Creed. We know we'll take a beating. Once we get in the NCAAs, it feels like easy street and this has proven to be to our benefit. So stop complaining so much.

FT shooting stunk, especially Reed, but he knows it. 3 point shooting was awful. I will repeat my view that if he's not hitting 3s, Solo isn't a particularly good basketball player. Great late block from Mullins. Our defense is our identity this year, the offense is just not nearly as pretty as in 23 or 24.
The chat is insufferable every game.
 
Solo’s misses on 3’s were close though with a couple of exceptions- pure center of basket just a tad long, so they clanked off the back of the rim. If he is dealing with a lingering wrist injury, he will heal and his shooting touch will come back. UConn is so much tougher to beat when he is shooting well. Mullins had another block too, I think, that was big- a couple of minutes before. SH player took a shot in the lane and Mullins from behind got the block by reaching on top of the ball.
I agree and we have a great staff to help him out and regain his confidence. Most nights Solo has the best athleticism of anyone on either side in the game. Some kids just need to grow and develop interiorly along with putting it together with the body. Trust the staff to get the best out him.
 
For real. How is it a stretch that all these Big East teams are really good? Seton Hall wasn’t going to get run out of their home arena.
home arena or not, it takes some piss poor defense to give up 19 points in 5 minutes or whatever it was.
 
Gutsy win on the road against a good team!

Solo 1-7 from 3-pt land tonight. He's under 30% for the season. He's never really been a good 3pt shooter. You are what you are. Danny needs to have a serious talk with him about shot selection. Cant see this continue as its killing the half-court offense
Didn’t he lead the Big East last year in 3 pt shooting %?
 
No one is saying they don't have what it takes. They are not playing at a national championship level offensively. You are not winning a title with a Ken Pom top 25 offense. It isn't getting better. The trend is moving backwards. Turnovers, missed 3's, scoring droughts. There are warning signs.
It’s a fair observation but that’s why you play through Jan and Feb and get challenged. Last year’s team wasn’t pretty but ended up playing near their ceiling in the Tourney and almost took out the Champion. They will be much better and dialed in by March.
 
Trying to remember, what take did Katz have when the media was all over Hurley prior. Maybe Danny remembers something.
It could be that he just doesn't like Katz. But I think the problem is that Danny really was bothered by the fact he hadn't won at SH in a while but he just didn't want to be reminded of it or admit it. He wanted to pretend it was never an issue. Hurley is right, it is not that big a deal. It is not legacy defining. But the way he said it made it seem like he was trying to convince himself. He was arguing against a phantom argument. Nobody is accusing him of having a tainted legacy because he couldn't win at SH. It is just a human interest question that everyone can relate to. When you finally do something you haven't been able to do, no matter how trivial, it feels good. We all like to share in that good feeling. That's what motivated the question. It was harmless. But hey, maybe I am just naive and these guys are all secretly jockeying to destroy each other.
 
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Solo is a good scorer without the threes falling. He’s at 14 points a game despite shooting 29% from three. He was a pretty reliable 14-20 point scorer for most of the season until Providence even while missing his threes

It’s the 3 games since then where his two point game hasn’t been enough to counter him not making threes. The automatic midrange jumpers and strong finishing at the rim hasn’t been there. It’s clearly not a skill or gameplan issue. He’s in a mental funk. Good thing about mental funks is that they eventually end
 

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