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September non-UConn recruiting thread

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TerpWomenFan said:
Thanks. Maryland has been disappointedly quiet this summer. Last commitment was in December.
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There are many schools that have one commit and some that have 0 and you are disappointed with 2? 2 seems like a normal or fine amount this early. There was a pandemic kids couldn't even take visits for a long time and there is a reason why they call November early signing period. Late is next spring March April time you got 0 commits by then and then you may as well look at the xfer portal. For many official visits are just starting up
 
nwhoopfan said:
Okay, but the lack of fan support is really a big minus for the Trojans. There's no way to spin that. Only other conference team in the same ballpark is WSU.
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Fan support is not set in stone so maybe someone likes USC and is drawn by other things? If Sabrina was worried do you think she would have gone to Oregon? But now look at them
 
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HoopGurlz '22 #40 Shay Ciezki has committed to Penn State their second top-50 for 2022
 
Yeah...I thought that was weird. Why de-commit and then put them back on your finals list?
 
Jadyn Donovan (#10-2023) and Kendall Dudley (#3-2024) are both at ND this weekend! (Jadyn’s IG story). Both go to Sitwell Friends in DC (Same as Rice) Dudley’s mom is the HS coach! BIG that these girls are at ND with Niele. As some people I’ve seen online is that she can’t get recruits. She’s done it now with them two and KK Arnold/Bransford. ND’s coaching staff must have checked them out at DC over this past week due to Kendalls mom’s tweet.
 
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I am actually shocked Ole Miss didnt make her final list given how well Ole Miss has been connecting with recruits lately
 
SECbbfan24 said:
I am actually shocked Ole Miss didnt make her final list given how well Ole Miss has been connecting with recruits lately
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Me too. However there is obviously plenty of time for things to change. That said, it is my understanding she wants to stay close to home. I think MSU’s chances hinge on how well they do this coming season.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I realize those are just unofficial visits...but what are they selling at USC? Absolute mediocrity for about a quarter century, can't understand how they get any top recruits to consider them. It must be the 800 dedicated fans that show up to their home games. :rolleyes:
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Well, they did win a Pac-12 tournament title in the last decade, something that neither UCLA, nor Washington, nor Arizona or Arizona State can claim.

And besides, why should a mediocre track record be an automatic deal-killer? What was Adia Barnes selling when she took over at AZ?
 
Plebe said:
Well, they did win a Pac-12 tournament title in the last decade, something that neither UCLA, nor Washington, nor Arizona or Arizona State can claim.

And besides, why should a mediocre track record be an automatic deal-killer? What was Adia Barnes selling when she took over at AZ?
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That's a fair question, but Barnes didn't really start recruiting the HS ranks well until she started winning. Initial success was almost entirely based on transfers, which is kind of a different beast. McDonald was familiar w/ her from UW.

A better question is what was Graves selling at Oregon when he arrived, which I think was posed earlier in the thread. I don't know, but it worked.

But the first part is REALLY grasping at straws. A singular conference tournament title? So what? UW and Arizona both have Final 4s, UCLA has been just about perpetually getting to the Sweet 16 and has an Elite 8. ASU is down trending but still much more success than USC in recent years. Also that was the 2013-14 season, and USC hasn't had close to as good of a season since, so I'm not even sure what the point of bringing that up is. They were 1 and done in the Tourney that year and haven't been back since.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
That's a fair question, but Barnes didn't really start recruiting the HS ranks well until she started winning. Initial success was almost entirely based on transfers, which is kind of a different beast. McDonald was familiar w/ her from UW.

A better question is what was Graves selling at Oregon when he arrived, which I think was posed earlier in the thread. I don't know, but it worked.

But the first part is REALLY grasping at straws. A singular conference tournament title? So what? UW and Arizona both have Final 4s, UCLA has been just about perpetually getting to the Sweet 16 and has an Elite 8. ASU is down trending but still much more success than USC in recent years. Also that was the 2013-14 season, and USC hasn't had close to as good of a season since, so I'm not even sure what the point of bringing that up is. They were 1 and done in the Tourney that year and haven't been back since.
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Selling is selling, whether it's to HS recruits or transfers. Obviously Barnes had a prior relationship with McDonald, but it's still selling. Not every player automatically follows their former assistant coach to her new job.

Obviously I was being a bit tongue in cheek about the first part. But success is relative, and recruiting is more about the future than the past. Only Stanford has what I'd consider a long-standing nationally elite pedigree. A few other programs have made some waves in the past 10 or so years. None of the coaches of these emerging programs were able to just sit back in their comfy armchair and let the banners and trophies do the recruiting for them.
 
Plebe said:
Selling is selling, whether it's to HS recruits or transfers. Obviously Barnes had a prior relationship with McDonald, but it's still selling. Not every player automatically follows their former assistant coach to her new job.

Obviously I was being a bit tongue in cheek about the first part. But success is relative, and recruiting is more about the future than the past. Only Stanford has what I'd consider a long-standing nationally elite pedigree. A few other programs have made some waves in the past 10 or so years. None of the coaches of these emerging programs were able to just sit back in their comfy armchair and let the banners and trophies do the recruiting for them.
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Good points. That makes me curious about how Mulkey and Staley got things rolling at Baylor and South Carolina. I was paying zero attention to either program previously. Looking it up, Mulkey's transformation at Baylor was nearly instantaneous, while Staley took a little longer but it was still rapid.
 
nwhoopfan said:
That's a fair question, but Barnes didn't really start recruiting the HS ranks well until she started winning. Initial success was almost entirely based on transfers, which is kind of a different beast. McDonald was familiar w/ her from UW.

A better question is what was Graves selling at Oregon when he arrived, which I think was posed earlier in the thread. I don't know, but it worked.

But the first part is REALLY grasping at straws. A singular conference tournament title? So what? UW and Arizona both have Final 4s, UCLA has been just about perpetually getting to the Sweet 16 and has an Elite 8. ASU is down trending but still much more success than USC in recent years. Also that was the 2013-14 season, and USC hasn't had close to as good of a season since, so I'm not even sure what the point of bringing that up is. They were 1 and done in the Tourney that year and haven't been back since.
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The new staff is not tied to the prior results! Stop trying to tie the two together. Recruits who were maybe 5 years old 10 years ago need to weigh the prior results under players and coaches that aren't there anymore? If this was the case no teams would ever rise up and improve.
 
HuskyMJ said:
The new staff is not tied to the prior results! Stop trying to tie the two together. Recruits who were maybe 5 years old 10 years ago need to weigh the prior results under players and coaches that aren't there anymore? If this was the case no teams would ever rise up and improve.
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Okay, well the new head coach had a significant decline at Cal after a good start there, so I don't really see that as being a selling point.

Also, look at USC's history during the last 25 or so years, under 6 different HC (one had 2 stints there). Not much variance. Looking at both USC's history and my feelings about Gottlieb as a HC, I feel fairly comfortable in thinking not much is going to change. You can feel free to hope otherwise.

Obviously fellow conference members like Oregon St., Oregon and Arizona have had big turn arounds in recent years. It could happen anywhere, it could happen at USC, but I don't think Gottlieb is the coach to get it done.
 
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dws3665 said:
Bella Fontleroy was at VA Tech this past weekend.
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LoTrader said:
Great name!
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Bella can really Ball-see what I did there? She was highly ranked (top 10) but suffered an ACL injury which call her to fall in ESPN ranking all the way down to 80 ish. Good skill set as either SG or wing I'm predicting she stays home at goes to Missouri. Best of luck to her on a full recovery.
 
Although she showed some interest early, Mizzou is apparently not one of her finalists.

Her dad is a legendary player at Missouri State (which was Southwest Missouri State when he played), but I think she is set on going P5.

She has taken a visit to Arkansas, now VA Tech, and her other 3 will be Baylor, TTU, & Arizona. I do think distance may matter for her somewhat, though.

She had an absolutely dynamite summer, and several evaluators put her on their 'top 5 stock-risers' list coming out of July, so it'll be interesting to see how high she moves back up the ranking lists. She is certainly too low where she is now on ESPN (in the 80s).
 
DaBball said:
Tina Langley is off to a hot start at Washington -- #33 Hannah Stines and #75 Elle Ladine committed after their official visits this weekend.
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That's a good way to start the week!
 
nwhoopfan said:
Good points. That makes me curious about how Mulkey and Staley got things rolling at Baylor and South Carolina. I was paying zero attention to either program previously. Looking it up, Mulkey's transformation at Baylor was nearly instantaneous, while Staley took a little longer but it was still rapid.
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I think the difference between coaches in the top 4 to 8 and others that routinely appear in the top 25 can be traced to a few things. Assuming top 25 coaches(in general) are all very good coaches, the difference comes down to recruiting talent and those who have had past continued success (the top 4 to 8) have rosters loaded with top-25 recruits. Geno has publicly stated several times that the only difference between his team and the one he is up against is often that he has more all-americans on his roster than the other side.

If you haven't established that winning reputation then you must build your program. That comes down to "selling" a top recruit to stay in their home state. In the case of Mulkey that is B.Griner, in the case of Staley that is A.Coates and A. Wilson. One great player can really put a school on the recruiting map and turn around a program. Of course you have to surround that great player with other talent and be able to coach them in to the sweet 16 to generate buzz but success begins at home. Some states are rich with talent and others not so much so then you must recruit well regionally from neighboring states and add solid international talent and find a "sleeper" or two from your home state.
S.Cunningham did a lot for Missouri's recruiting, E.Cunane for NC State's, and so on. Success begets success. Oregon recruited Ionescu from neighboring Cal, Washington got Plum from Cal, Iowa got Gustafson from Wis, on and on. One key player (especially a BIG) can make all of the difference.
UConn built a program at a time when WBB was just beginning to garner real national attention, mostly thanks to Tennessee. Geno's early success followed this same pattern of getting the best local talent from the area and surrounding it with solid international players. Top programs like Uconn,Stanford,and S.Carolina can now recruit the best players from anywhere but keeping the best local/regional talent is still a big part of continued success.
 
Rooster C. said:
In the case of Mulkey that is B.Griner,
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Mulkey won her first National Championship long before Griner arrived. I think they were well established prior to her hitting the scene.
 
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