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80shusky said:
Yea I would pass. We need to hold those scholarships for Cam Reddish and AJ Reeves. Oh, and Mo Bamba.
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I was getting ready to jump all over this post before i saw bamba and realized your sarcasm lol
 
If we get Moretti, then I'd pass. We would have plenty of guard depth. I'd like to make a big push to bring in freshmen next year.
 
Matrim55 said:
If we sign this kid now, it means we can be much less desperate in 2018 and 2019 recruiting.

Let's pretend we get both the Italian kid and the big Cornell postgrad as well as Doughty, and that both Jalen & Larrier leave after next year because they led us to our sixth final four. This is what our roster would look like heading into 2018/19:

PG: Alterique (RS-So), Doughty (RS-So)
SG: Vital (Jr), Moretti (So)
SF: Polley (So)
PF: Diarra (RS-So), Whaley (So)
C: Cobb (Sr), Carlton (So)

That would make the 2018 class "let's add to our already balanced core" instead of "oh god oh god we have holes everywhere and have to offer every kid under the sun!"

And I can't stress this enough: We know Doughty can play college ball. Fine, he's not gonna be the next Kemba – who gives a s&*#? We don't just need Kembas, we need guys who can soak up minutes in two or three different spots while not tripping over their d^#&s. This kid can do that.

The only way we should say "no thanks" is if he's the next Nate Miles. Barring that... get him on campus, let him learn for a year, and then get him on the court in 2018.
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If that roster doesn't scare you then I don't know what to say. Altrrique is the only one there with potential star power, and then you've got a lot of role players (very young role players)

The '18 class is so important not for the number of players well likely need to bring in, but the necessity to bring in some true high level talent to be able to carry the teams in subsequent years

Don't mean to bash those guys, because I think a bunch of them will have nice careers here, but they are what they are
 
champs99and04 said:
To re-iterate what I said yesterday in another thread, I'm of the opinion that this program needs to move away from transfers as a general rule. This kid looks like a perfectly good player, but this is still UConn and there is no sense in applying a depressed standard to our future classes when the Chillious hire indicates the opposite. There are a million kids like him, and while they are necessary, you'd prefer that they be developed through the system from day one. If we can find a major talent on the transfer market like Larrier, great. Otherwise, we need to be building through the high school ranks. There are simply too many fundamental advantages to doing it that way.
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Ordinarily I would agree, but right now we are in the ideal position to accept transfers. We have a solid lineup for 2017-18 but have open roster spots and could use more practice players; for 2018-19 we have ~6 open scholarships and seem to be in poor shape with top targets. A transfer who provides a practice body for 2017-18 and a solid lineup player for 2018-19 is a huge get, and sets us up much better for a killer recruiting class in 2019.

Even if we somehow pull off our top targets in 2018, Iggy and Shittu and Carey or Dort, Doughty would provide quality depth and still play substantial minutes alongside Gilbert, Vital, Carey or Dort. I don't see the downside here.

huskiesNhoos said:
If that roster doesn't scare you then I don't know what to say. Altrrique is the only one there with potential star power, and then you've got a lot of role players (very young role players)

The '18 class is so important not for the number of players well likely need to bring in, but the necessity to bring in some true high level talent to be able to carry the teams in subsequent years

Don't mean to bash those guys, because I think a bunch of them will have nice careers here, but they are what they are
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You have to do risk management. After missing on many top targets, you can't assume a lot of top targets will come in 2018, and if you gamble on that and lose, the program is in deep trouble. Whereas the lineup Matrim posted is a competitive one, with the potential to reach the NCAA tourney if guys develop, and a young lineup. Add in a few studs in 2019 and it returns to the top 25.
 
4xChamps said:
Let's do a little blind test.

Player A:

Stats on VCU as a Freshman, team went 26-10.

6.6ppg 3.0rpg 0.6apg 0.5steals 26.2% from 3 34.3% from the field.

Player B:

Stats on VCU as a freshman, team went 26-9.

9.0ppg 3.6rpg 2.1apg 0.9steals 28.4% from three 40.9% from the field.

A is Larrier B is Doughty. Just because he wasn't highly ranked as a high school player doesn't mean he can't be great in college. Best example of this is Shamet on Wichita who is going to become our worst nightmare for the next few years.
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Our worst nightmare won't be Shamet. Please, our worst nightmare is our empty cupboard.
 
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pj said:
You have to do risk management. After missing on many top targets, you can't assume a lot of top targets will come in 2018, and if you gamble on that and lose, the program is in deep trouble. Whereas the lineup Matrim posted is a competitive one, with the potential to reach the NCAA tourney if guys develop, and a young lineup. Add in a few studs in 2019 and it returns to the top 25.
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I'm not assuming we'll get top targets, I'm saying we need to. Another recruiting cycle and/or round of defections like we saw this year sets the program back much more than a year

I understand it's easier said than done to reel in the high level talent, but at some point to remain a perennial top 25 team we have to (that or KO has to reach JC level coaching ability)

And you are way more optimistic than me to think a roster of role playing sophomores will make the tourney
 
It's OK to alternative good and mediocre years. If we can have a strong 2017-18, be competitive in 2018-19, and reel in a strong 2019 class and have a great 2019 team, KO's reputation will be re-established. It takes time to build.
 
champs99and04 said:
To re-iterate what I said yesterday in another thread, I'm of the opinion that this program needs to move away from transfers as a general rule. This kid looks like a perfectly good player, but this is still UConn and there is no sense in applying a depressed standard to our future classes when the Chillious hire indicates the opposite. There are a million kids like him, and while they are necessary, you'd prefer that they be developed through the system from day one. If we can find a major talent on the transfer market like Larrier, great. Otherwise, we need to be building through the high school ranks. There are simply too many fundamental advantages to doing it that way.
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I don't know if you didn't read above but this kid put up bigger numbers at VCU than Larrier. This kid can play, as you can see in the tape. We need to go get guys like this because they can help us in the future.
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
When I saw he transferred, a VCU fan said "I don't understand. He was going to be a star." They thought highly of him. I would definitely welcome his addition to the team, however, given that he had left due to possible academic mishaps, I don't know if UConn will even be a compatible match.
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From what I can gather it wasn't academic or legally related. Seemed like either a difference of opinion or a personal reason
 
Because he redshirted his freshman year, Doughty cannot redshirt this year. He'll be sit one, play two.
 
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Matrim55 said:
If we sign this kid now, it means we can be much less desperate in 2018 and 2019 recruiting.

Let's pretend we get both the Italian kid and the big Cornell postgrad as well as Doughty, and that both Jalen & Larrier leave after next year because they led us to our sixth final four. This is what our roster would look like heading into 2018/19:

PG: Alterique (RS-So), Doughty (RS-So)
SG: Vital (Jr), Moretti (So)
SF: Polley (So)
PF: Diarra (RS-So), Whaley (So)
C: Cobb (Sr), Carlton (So)

That would make the 2018 class "let's add to our already balanced core" instead of "oh god oh god we have holes everywhere and have to offer every kid under the sun!"

And I can't stress this enough: We know Doughty can play college ball. Fine, he's not gonna be the next Kemba – who gives a s&*#? We don't just need Kembas, we need guys who can soak up minutes in two or three different spots while not tripping over their d^#&s. This kid can do that.

The only way we should say "no thanks" is if he's the next Nate Miles. Barring that... get him on campus, let him learn for a year, and then get him on the court in 2018.
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That roster is frightening. Man, Ollie and Chillious have their work cut out for them.
 
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champs99and04 said:
To re-iterate what I said yesterday in another thread, I'm of the opinion that this program needs to move away from transfers as a general rule. This kid looks like a perfectly good player, but this is still UConn and there is no sense in applying a depressed standard to our future classes when the Chillious hire indicates the opposite. There are a million kids like him, and while they are necessary, you'd prefer that they be developed through the system from day one. If we can find a major talent on the transfer market like Larrier, great. Otherwise, we need to be building through the high school ranks. There are simply too many fundamental advantages to doing it that way.
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That would be fine if UConn recruited full classes, and then retained those players. However, when you have a few years with only two recruits in a class, and then lose both of them (as with this year's senior class), something needs to be done to catch up. Given the losses after this year, we can probably expect more of this scrambling to fill out the roster in the future - at least until things stabilize.
 
Matrim55 said:
Come on. Kid averaged 9/3/2 on not-terrible shooting splits as a freshman for a team that won 26 games.

If there are a million kids like him out there, I'd like about 8 of them to spend the next four years in Storrs, Ct. please.
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Hey, I could be wrong. I know nothing about him aside from the information presented, and typically he's the type of player I love college basketball for. Under the radar kid from Philly with some game who can kick a McDonald's all-American's ass on any given night. If he transfers to say, Temple, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see him lead them to an AAC title at our expense. When you can put up those numbers in a damn good league as a freshman, it means you can play.

But talent is still important, so while there is something to be said for actual production superseding recruiting rank (see Vital, Christian), it's still relevant to how we extrapolate their abilities as players into skills that fit the system. For instance, we know he can score. But can he do it at an efficient rate against length and athleticism? Can he spot up? How about defense? What's his wingspan? Is he tall enough to play alongside Gilbert or is he a tweener who's not a good enough play maker to play the point and not big enough to play the two?

I admittedly don't know the answer to these questions, but I also don't think you build a team by opening the wallets for any decent player that hits the market, because - and this has been one of the points I have made relentlessly - it's all about fitting a prototype, and to me, this dude is more of a #1 or #2 option on a seven seed than he is a guy that helps you win a championship off the bench.

I don't expect us to win championships, but I expect us to give ourselves the chance to win one. Our head coach and our associate head coach are paid to do that, and with the ever-important 2018 class looming and nobody guaranteed to graduate, I'd rather not tie up a ship for a year on a low ceiling player that will be free to bolt after one season. If he could play immediately, that's a different story. I'm opposed to stashing players unless they are can't miss types.
 
buddy said:
Has Chillious done anything yet or is he just another Ollie friend to warm the bench?
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What is he supposed to have done this early? I mean can we have some patience. He's come into an obvious situation where there is some weight on his shoulders to assist KO in returning UConn to the kids living rooms and having them look at our program again. He just left the other Huskies and now is telling these kids he now has a better program than he did when he started recruiting them. What are they to think?

Give him time, don't you think he knew the challenge of coming in a time we lost a lot of games and a lot of respect for various reasons? I mean he will work a plan change some focus like a good sales guy and make things work but it may take time. Damn people are unreasonable and so far from reality some time.
 
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KembaStepback said:
Not sure why I believe you..but I do. If this is all true sounds like a problem we really don't need.
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Ha, thanks. It is a legit source that I trust. There have been other times where I have shared details from the same source that have proven to be correct.

And of course, there was last year when I was told that LG Gill wanted to come to UCONN and the staff did not even return the calls or messages. He ended up going to MD for his senior year.
 
mauconnfan said:
What is he supposed to have done this early? I mean can we have some patience. He's come into an obvious situation where there is some weight on his shoulders to assist KO in returning UConn to the kids living rooms and having them look at our program again. He just left the other Huskies and now is telling these kids he now has a better program than he did when he started recruiting them. What are they to think?

Give him time, don't you think he knew the challenge of coming in a time we lost a lot of games and a lot of respect for various reasons? I mean he will work a plan change some focus like a good sales guy and make things work but it may take time. Damn people are unreasonable and so far from reality some time.
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Just frustration.
 
Wow, would be a great get to land this guy, what a great looking basketball player.
 
D$ said:
Ha, thanks. It is a legit source that I trust. There have been other times where I have shared details from the same source that have proven to be correct.

And of course, there was last year when I was told that LG Gill wanted to come to UConn and the staff did not even return the calls or messages. He ended up going to MD for his senior year.
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@D$, looks like your original post was removed. I hope the staff is familiar with whatever issues your source brought up.
 
pj said:
@D$, looks like your original post was removed. I hope the staff is familiar with whatever issues your source brought up.
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Yup, I noticed that. Wasn't inappropriate at all, gave an honest account of the kid and his game from a trusted source. I'm sure the staff knows what they are doing though..,
 
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