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Sam Vecenie Athletic Mock Draft

ClifSpliffy said:
nba. and now, a word from reality.
a few seasons back, i was regularly insistent that evan was, easily, the best choice in the draft, not bcuz of some data doo doo, but becuz of his obvious winning skillz. fast forward to the now, and his team - becuz of him and this- has one of the best records in that league.
how could that sea of nba gm 'experts' not understand this and let him fall to #3 in the draft? big dummies.
my other obvious stud, mr chet, is broken now, but will return to remind folks 'remember me?'
i like adama a real lot, quality, and he will continue to learn and grow cuz, as pointed out a long while back, he is in this to get paid. if anyone can find a wrinkle to get to the bright lights, it's him. smart. very smart, but the road has real obstacles, especially since the standards for nba frontcourt are just soo high. case in point,
new reality (giannis, chet, evan, and more)


donno, if trained correctly, will be closer to the new standard. it's why he's nba whispered aboot, and yet somehow can't get time here. incredible.
hawk has improved this season, but can't dribble attack from the left side, yet. i wasn't sure if his future was at 2, shooting guard, or at 3, scoring forward. thus far, he still has a tendency to be a better boarder than a handler (3 over 2), but is being coached to mainly score, and whatever happens with the handle or the boards thing, will just be whatever happens. im not certain that his potential will be enuf this draft season. i just don't know, but i do know that the ncaa has a million other ballers that represent the same situation.
i guess that we're finally done with danny's hogwash on ajax as an nba point.
adama might go somewhere after the season (i'm gettin paid, period! luv, luv, luv, that aboot the man, cuz he continues to do things to help himself get there), and hawk has enuf nascent talent to turn a successful postseason run into sumthing more, but the jury is still out at this time.
check out victor's height thing at the end of the video.
reality.

i don't recall a season for the squad where soo many questions for team and individual success/failure judgement, are dependent solely on how we finish. amazing, actually.
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Disagree on Chet. 7’1” and 190 lbs playing against the men of the NBA I think is just injuries waiting to happen
 
StllH8L8ner said:
“Some people pay double for that kind of action, Cotton”.

I must say now that I can confidently decipher your posts, I find them mostly enjoyable.
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I find them mostly enjoyable.

don't say that, cuz it may make stinky red down thumbs pour on you, and then i'll feel bad.

it seems that recently across the land, not everyone is as big a fan of 'free speechin' as many of us are. let the chips fall where they may, an all that.
 
Awesome to see Hawkins climbing up draft boards. One of the more underrated things he’s done since last year is become much more focused. He focused on the things he was good at and became GREAT at them. He knows his limits, plays within himself, and rarely forces it offensively. And the times he does force it, he’s forced to because the offense is in a miserable stretch and needs some energy. I think lottery is aggressive, but he should end up closer to 20 than to 30.
 
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I would not be too excited to draft Hawkins yet - he’s very one-dimensional at times and I just straight do not think he’s ready to play in the NBA. He’ll be a G League yo-yo right now.

I hope Sanogo gets a shot, but the NBA is so follow-the-leader at times and traditional bigs are out of favor. (That will change….maybe with Edny and Clingan leading the charge?)

I disagree with someone above who said that Sanogo’s basketball IQ is at the low end - clever passer, runs the floor very well….just a little bit of a black hole at times.
 
Fishy said:
I would not be too excited to draft Hawkins yet - he’s very one-dimensional at times and I just straight do not think he’s ready to play in the NBA. He’ll be a G League yo-yo right now.

I hope Sanogo gets a shot, but the NBA is so follow-the-leader at times and traditional bigs are out of favor. (That will change….maybe with Edny and Clingan leading the charge?)

I disagree with someone above who said that Sanogo’s basketball IQ is at the low end - clever passer, runs the floor very well….just a little bit of a black hole at times.
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I agree with Fishy about Adama's basketball IQ and passing ability. He actually is a very good passer from the high post and now Dan Hurley has Adama receiving the ball where he can attack the basket straight on instead of as a stationary post up player with his back to the basket.
 
Fishy said:
I disagree with someone above who said that Sanogo’s basketball IQ is at the low end - clever passer, runs the floor very well….just a little bit of a black hole at times.
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I meant more that his IQ was on the lower end for upperclassmen NBA prospects. It's not low in general (he's not like a random run and jump big who is just 7'1" and has no idea how to play basketball). But he's still behind his age curve.
 
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Fishy said:
I would not be too excited to draft Hawkins yet - he’s very one-dimensional at times and I just straight do not think he’s ready to play in the NBA. He’ll be a G League yo-yo right now.

I hope Sanogo gets a shot, but the NBA is so follow-the-leader at times and traditional bigs are out of favor. (That will change….maybe with Edny and Clingan leading the charge?)

I disagree with someone above who said that Sanogo’s basketball IQ is at the low end - clever passer, runs the floor very well….just a little bit of a black hole at times.
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Late teens to early 20s and beyond you’re almost certainly drafting a g-league yo-yo in this day and age.

He’s definitely not a sure thing but if you look who’s also in consideration where he is, 18 is not an unrealistic spot for him.
 
BGesus4 said:
Late teens to early 20s and beyond you’re almost certainly drafting a g-league yo-yo in this day and age.

He’s definitely not a sure thing but if you look who’s also in consideration where he is, 18 is not an unrealistic spot for him.
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Especially when you consider that once you get around 20 those are all playoff teams who can all use a 3 and D guy to complement their stars
 
Hawkins and Sanogo both have limitations that will probably prevent them from being a lottery pick/drafted, respectively, but I don't know if they're even fixable problems with another year in college, so they may as well get a bag.

Hawk can shoot and he can play some defense. He still can't really dribble, except in a straight line, and he can't create off the bounce for himself at all. He's either 1. a 3-D wing, where he's undersized/good but not great at D or 2. a shooting guard with poor handles. He's not going to grow physically too much with an extra college year, and if he hasn't tightened up his handles he may not be able to make huge strides there.

Sanogo either 1. develops a more consistent outside shot or 2. grows to Clingan's size. 2 isn't happening. 1 is possible but even then may not be enough.
 
auror said:
Watch Grant Williams highlights from college. He's MUCH more athletic than Sanogo. Much more springy, quicker, faster. Some of that is from carrying less weight, but he's likely naturally more athletic too. His BBIQ is also off the charts, while Sanogo is nearer the bottom from starting to play so late.
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Yes, he's a little quicker, but he's 6'7" 240 at the combine. Sanogo isn't slow, he's just never been asked to guard 4s. Combine notes "lacks athleticism and makes most of his impact in the post". As for BBIQ I don't think Sanogo is lacking in that area. He's making terrific passes now that he's playing a game facing the hoop as he would in the NBA. Their college numbers are more similar than you may think, although UConn didn't let Sanogo show some things as early.

The point I was trying to make is that flex 4-5s have a role in the NBA. Grant guards Giannis effectively because he's strong and has that terrific leverage to ward off the bumps, which Sanogo is also fantastic at on the defensive end.

Grant Williams - NBADraft.net
 
Hawkins needs to finish the season like he's played the last month and I think he will work himself into the lottery, and possibly the top 10 if there is a team in "win next year" mode with a high pick (maybe a team like the Lakers?) who needs a shooter. He has some areas to improve for the NBA, but he is already a very polished shooter with a quick release. Someone who can go to the league and provide instant 3 point shooting for a contender.
 
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McLovin said:
Hawkins needs to finish the season like he's played the last month and I think he will work himself into the lottery, and possibly the top 10 if there is a team in "win next year" mode with a high pick (maybe a team like the Lakers?) who needs a shooter. He has some areas to improve for the NBA, but he is already a very polished shooter with a quick release. Someone who can go to the league and provide instant 3 point shooting for a contender.
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I don't think he reaches the lottery. Nor do I think he'd play much for any contending team. He's a developmental guy who projects as someone who has what it takes to become a legit rotation player.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't think he reaches the lottery. Nor do I think he'd play much for any contending team. He's a developmental guy who projects as someone who has what it takes to become a legit rotation player.
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I mean if he's currently projected at 18 and has a great tournament run he can easily move up 4 spots and become a lottery pick. Lets hope that happens!
 
as far as the draft, i read recently that danny ainge has stockpiled something like 15 (fifteen!) 1st rounders in the next 5 years, or something like that. heads up to current members on that team. cheez and crackers, talk aboot job insecurity.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't think he reaches the lottery. Nor do I think he'd play much for any contending team. He's a developmental guy who projects as someone who has what it takes to become a legit rotation player.
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I do think that if we were to say get to the elite 8 and Hawkins got to play for 2 weeks on national tv with everyone watching I think he can get into the lottery. He is someone that when you watch score 20 you can talk yourself into him easy
 
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NotADime89 said:
I mean if he's currently projected at 18 and has a great tournament run he can easily move up 4 spots and become a lottery pick. Lets hope that happens!
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PNolanFan said:
I do think that if we were to say get to the elite 8 and Hawkins got to play for 2 weeks on national tv with everyone watching I think he can get into the lottery. He is someone that when you watch score 20 you can talk yourself into him easy
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For sure. I'm definitely rooting for that to happen. So much will depend on what those teams may need and how he closes the season and what the combine shows.
 
I think Hawk will be a lottery pick. He has size, determination and has improved on both his ability to finish near the rim as well as his defensive positioning and intensity. Most importantly, he is on a trajectory to be an elite shooter, even by NBA standards.
 
husky429 said:
I'd say "much worse finisher," but that's probably arguing semantics. Bouk was ridiculously talented finishing at the rim.
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I feel like Jordan’s finishing is a little underrated and raw but his pull up game is so elite it keeps people hornets and he doesn’t need to be as creative.
 
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MJKI said:
The neweset Sam Vecenie mock draft on the Athletic has Hawkins going 18; he's working his way up towards the end of the lottery at this point. I know Sam watches a lot of UConn games and tends to be very pro-UConn players, but still very encouraging to see a mock draft with Hawk that high.
Aside from Hawk, no mention in the 2 round mock of Sanogo or Jackson, which isn't overly surprising at this point. Still wouldn't be shocked to see Sanogo end of 2nd round though
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Jackson is coming back. He has 0 chance of getting drafted at this point. He needs to do nothing over the summer except attack the rim. He needs to become a slasher type player on offense. He has to learn to beat his defender off the dribble. The ability is there.
 
tykurez said:
Sanogo should be looking at a guy like Grant Williams. Undersized forward who was mostly a post, power player in college. Shot around 32% from beyond the arc - but made most of his impact at the foul line and in. Think he was back-to-back SEC player of the year … I think if Sanogo stays he can continue to work on his outside shot, passing and decision making to increase his stock.
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Good comp
 
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