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I already sacrificed Lefty for the Championship Game but Righty is up for trade. Might be better for any P5 conference that invites us...would complete the sack set.
 
MSNDfan said:
If VT is in the SEC and UVA in the BeeOneGee, UVA will wither on the vine. The football Cool factor of the SEC is 10 of 10, while the football Cool factor of the BeeOneGee is maybe 4.
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In Virginia, it wouldn't be that close. ACC and SEC have dramatically more interest than the B1G. I'll even submit that with WVU in the Big XII, the Big XII would be third with all their fans all over the place. I have never seen so many Big XII games on around here in my life before the past 2 years.

There is also interest in the Big East and Atlantic 10 because of other local schools being in them.
 
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btstimpy said:
In Virginia, it wouldn't be that close. ACC and SEC have dramatically more interest than the B1G. I'll even submit that with WVU in the Big XII, the Big XII would be third with all their fans all over the place. I have never seen so many Big XII games on around here in my life before the past 2 years.

There is also interest in the Big East and Atlantic 10 because of other local schools being in them.
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My Football Cool factor rating is national. In any southern state, the Football Cool rating for the BeeOneGee is probably a 2.

The Big 12 has Texas, the university of and the state. Both are very high in Football Cool.
 
UConn990411 said:
...and the Cool factor of the ACC is a -17.
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I suppose such nonsense makes you feel better, but you should try to be realistic.

First, the ACC now has ND for 5 games, which adds the most unique Cool factor in the country. The Irish Football Cool factor is so high that we can go 20 years without sniffing a national title and still have the ultra unCool BeeOneGee wetting its pants about how much harm our playing tiny Duke and Wake Forest will do.

FL is a virtual tie in Football Cool with TX, and the ACC has Miami, in the most Cool part of FL. It also has Chief Osceola and that white horse and the flaming spear - that alone is more Cool than the entire BeeOneGee minus the Blohio State-Meatchicken game.

Howard's Rock is not even the Coolest football tradition in the ACC, and in comparison it highlights the 'dotting of the I' as something only giggling girls and fat, effeminate band nerds should get excited about.

GT is a bunch of engineering and physics nerds, but that Rambling Wreck is Cool, and so is Atlanta.

Lane Stadium is Cool, especially when the Hokies charge out of the tunnel to 'Enter the Sandman.'

Louisville is about to become very Cool for football. The Kentucky Derby means the town already has a Cool factor well beyond that of any BeeOneGee town, and now with P5 conference membership and recurring visits from the schools listed above, as well as UVA and UNC, Louisville will rise rapidly in Football Cool.
 
MSNDfan said:
I suppose such nonsense makes you feel better, but you should try to be realistic.

First, the ACC now has ND for 5 games, which adds the most unique Cool factor in the country. The Irish Football Cool factor is so high that we can go 20 years without sniffing a national title and still have the ultra unCool BeeOneGee wetting its pants about how much harm our playing tiny Duke and Wake Forest will do.

FL is a virtual tie in Football Cool with TX, and the ACC has Miami, in the most Cool part of FL. It also has Chief Osceola and that white horse and the flaming spear - that alone is more Cool than the entire BeeOneGee minus the Blohio State-Meatchicken game.

Howard's Rock is not even the Coolest football tradition in the ACC, and in comparison it highlights the 'dotting of the I' as something only giggling girls and fat, effeminate band nerds should get excited about.

GT is a bunch of engineering and physics nerds, but that Rambling Wreck is Cool, and so is Atlanta.

Lane Stadium is Cool, especially when the Hokies charge out of the tunnel to 'Enter the Sandman.'

Louisville is about to become very Cool for football. The Kentucky Derby means the town already has a Cool factor well beyond that of any BeeOneGee town, and now with P5 conference membership and recurring visits from the schools listed above, as well as UVA and UNC, Louisville will rise rapidly in Football Cool.
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Blindness to reality. As a visiting team or TV attraction, Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska and Penn State all trump every team in the ACC. Florida State would be next or tied with Penn State, but then Wisconsin and Clemson are about even. With Miami in the dumper, and VT far off what it was (and never popular nationally) the Big Ten far outshines the ACC in football. That is looking at national appeal across the west, midwest, northeast, mountain west and south.

That being said, most football is indeed regional. So I think BTstimpy isn't far off that fans in Virginia and the Carolinas are not predisposed to the Big Ten in general. So no, I don't think any Virginia team wants to go to the B1G. The B1G is as far south (in the east) as it is going to get. It could move south through Kansas and Oklahoma, but that's it. I think Delany ran the numbers on GT and realized that the B1G could never get close to the SEC in a place where UGA utterly dominates GT already. In Atlanta and Tallahassee I think the ACC rates better than the B1G.
 
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Everybody would love to play the likes of UM, tOSU, PSU, Nebraska, and FSU annually (or Texas, OU, USC, and ND) regardless of where they are situated on a map. After that, HuskyHawk is correct, it's very regionalized. I get why UVa could care less about annual games v. Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, etc...or why Iowa wouldn't get jazzed up about annual games v Rutgers, UMd, UConn, or UVa, etc... WVU and Pitt replaced the backyard brawl with games against KSU, ISU, Texas Tech, Wake, Duke, GT, etc...; aTm and Texas swapped out their rivalry for the likes of TCU, WVU and Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky repsectively. Colorado and Utah have no rivalries in the P12, WVU is on an island in the B12, Mizzou is a bit of an outlier in the SEC, and the ACC sold their academic righteousness for UL. I used to watch as much CFB as I could on a Saturday, now I pretty much only watch UConn away games (go to the home games). When UConn does in fact get picked up by one of the P5's, I really don't think that will change for me either. This whole realignment process has lost me as a huge CFB fan, and turned me into solely a UConn fan.
 
btstimpy said:
In Virginia, it wouldn't be that close. ACC and SEC have dramatically more interest than the B1G. I'll even submit that with WVU in the Big XII, the Big XII would be third with all their fans all over the place. I have never seen so many Big XII games on around here in my life before the past 2 years.

There is also interest in the Big East and Atlantic 10 because of other local schools being in them.
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While athletics are important at UVA, I would wager that Academics are more important internally within UVA as it views itself first and foremost a public Ivy. Thus, if the ACC was to fall apart and assuming that it’s politically connected brethren, Virginia Tech, found a safe home (SEC?), if given a choice, UVA would pick the B1G over the SEC.

Overall, I still suspect in a ball between the ACC and XII, the ACC survives based on markets and that XII’s future is entirely reliant on U Texas.
 
SAMCRO said:
Everybody would love to play the likes of UM, tOSU, PSU, Nebraska, and FSU annually (or Texas, OU, USC, and ND) regardless of where they are situated on a map. After that, HuskyHawk is correct, it's very regionalized. I get why UVa could care less about annual games v. Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, etc...or why Iowa wouldn't get jazzed up about annual games v Rutgers, UMd, UConn, or UVa, etc... WVU and Pitt replaced the backyard brawl with games against KSU, ISU, Texas Tech, Wake, Duke, GT, etc...; aTm and Texas swapped out their rivalry for the likes of TCU, WVU and Ole Miss, MSU, Kentucky repsectively. Colorado and Utah have no rivalries in the P12, WVU is on an island in the B12, Mizzou is a bit of an outlier in the SEC, and the ACC sold their academic righteousness for UL. I used to watch as much CFB as I could on a Saturday, now I pretty much only watch UConn away games (go to the home games). When UConn does in fact get picked up by one of the P5's, I really don't think that will change for me either. This whole realignment process has lost me as a huge CFB fan, and turned me into solely a UConn fan.
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I agree that realignment has alienated a lot of college football fans. One potential advantage is if a P4 emerges with 20 or so schools each, it is likely a Pod system would be put in place that would hopefully be geographically focused. Thus, in the B1G for example (and in my dream), their east Pod would be 1) UConn, 2) Rutgers, 3) Maryland, 4) Penn St, 5) Ohio St (assume B1G would guarantee an annual cross-over game with Michigan). While not filled with traditional rivals as it is a collection of acquisitions from prior conferences, the physical closeness and similarity in schools should all these new rivalries to grow. The potential B1G central pod (Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana, Purdue, and Northwestern) would consist of well-established traditional rivals).
 
MSNDfan said:
I suppose such nonsense makes you feel better, but you should try to be realistic.

First, the ACC now has ND for 5 games, which adds the most unique Cool factor in the country. The Irish Football Cool factor is so high that we can go 20 years without sniffing a national title and still have the ultra unCool BeeOneGee wetting its pants about how much harm our playing tiny Duke and Wake Forest will do.

FL is a virtual tie in Football Cool with TX, and the ACC has Miami, in the most Cool part of FL. It also has Chief Osceola and that white horse and the flaming spear - that alone is more Cool than the entire BeeOneGee minus the Blohio State-Meatchicken game.

Howard's Rock is not even the Coolest football tradition in the ACC, and in comparison it highlights the 'dotting of the I' as something only giggling girls and fat, effeminate band nerds should get excited about.

GT is a bunch of engineering and physics nerds, but that Rambling Wreck is Cool, and so is Atlanta.

Lane Stadium is Cool, especially when the Hokies charge out of the tunnel to 'Enter the Sandman.'

Louisville is about to become very Cool for football. The Kentucky Derby means the town already has a Cool factor well beyond that of any BeeOneGee town, and now with P5 conference membership and recurring visits from the schools listed above, as well as UVA and UNC, Louisville will rise rapidly in Football Cool.
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Cool? I have been to Louisville, Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Chicago, Madison, Minneapolis, etc. Louisville is nowhere near cool. The Kentucky Derby Crowd and the Louisville basketball/football crowd are not the same and do not mix.

Louisville is in for an interesting football season minus their coach and best player and it will be interesting to see how long it takes for Petrino to bit them in the arse, which he has done at every football team he has gone, too. The basketball team will not have to deal with ACC refs, who view every team not wearing blue as a foreign entity. Plus, their finances will take a major hit when the city of Louisville lets the Yum Center file for bankruptcy. That will force the University to finally foot the debt service and operating costs bills.

U Florida is the same as Texas? That is crazy talk.

All that stands between U Miami and UNC from the death penalty is an incompetent NCAA and most of the nation knows it.

Georgia Tech has not been cool in football for 20 years.

As for ND, just ask the old Big E how well their special arrangement worked out with ND.
 
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Dooley said:
The Cool Factor of this thread drops with every mention of the uncool use of the phrase "Cool Factor".
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I have not heard such a douchy phrase in quite some time.

The ACC sold it's soul for 2-3 OOC home games a year. Congrats.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Cool? I have been to Louisville, Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Chicago, Madison, Minneapolis, etc. Louisville is nowhere near cool. The Kentucky Derby Crowd and the Louisville basketball/football crowd are not the same and do not mix.
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Just a guess, you've never been to the derby? The infield is a virtual KY/Ville tailgate/fraternity party.
 
8 pages deep on a bogus CR thread, can someone post the cliff notes?
 
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B1GEast said:
8 pages deep on a bogus CR thread, can someone post the cliff notes?
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B1GEast said:
8 pages deep on a bogus CR thread, can someone post the cliff notes?
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Seaa Blue said:
His interest in realignment is genuine. He's never claimed to be an "insider", he just works the net hard and does his best to make sense of it.

Best of all, the ACC guys hate him.

Another interesting/genuine/responsible "personality" that it didn't know was hanging out here (until the last couple days) is "KyleSLamb".

So, Kyle... What's your take on UConn to B1G (or elsewhere)?
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Sorry, I just now saw this post.

As people might know, I've probably been outspoken about UConn as a possible candidate in Big Ten expansion longer than anyone. I don't have any new insight as to the status, but as of a year ago, the Big Ten was keeping an eye on the progress being made in upgrading the research arm. UConn has forged some excellent friendships in academic circles with Virginia, Illinois and Ohio State as well as Michigan. Virginia is key because there are a lot of folks in B1G circles that envision that pair as being 15 & 16 when the Maryland stuff settles. Oh, sure, Virginia will continue to say publicly it's committed to the ACC and in an ideal world, that's true... but it's going to listen when the time is right.

If Ohio State and Michigan both get on board for someone, it carries a lot of clout in the league. I think UConn is a real possibility in the next few years. Right now, the league is just taking its time and making sure Rutgers and Maryland are settled and it wants to see what happens with the exit fee. The Grant of Rights, I maintain, is not the deterrent people think, though the league is probably focused on eastern expansion for now.
 
kyleslamb said:
Sorry, I just now saw this post.
If Ohio State and Michigan both get on board for someone, it carries a lot of clout in the league.
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Both have had turnover in leadership, so it would be interesting to know if that plays into it.
 
btstimpy said:
Football would be harmed. The coaches are confident of this. The top high school football talent is declining in the Big Ten region and growing in the ACC southern regions. The big brands of the Big Ten are having to hire coaches that have ties to these southern regions just to keep up. Ohio State hired the Florida Coach. Penn State hired the Vandy Coach. Michigan's does not have these ties, and he's on the block for a firing this season. The others can forget it. UVA would be stupid to leave access to fertile recruiting grounds to go off into the Big Ten.

Baseball would be dramatically harmed, and it's a big deal at UVA. Basketball would not really be affected. The Big Ten has good basketball and access to good talent.

UVA is not interested in the Big Ten though, so this discussion isn't really relevant.
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Are you seriously using Ohio State hiring Urban Meyer as an example? You do realize Urban was an Ohio State grad, right? He grew up in Ohio. They hired the "Florida coach" because he was a diehard Ohio State guy who knew Ohio State's tradition.

The whole "Big Ten region is declining" is an utter myth. The only state in the Big Ten region that is losing population is Michigan. The rest of the area is growing. Now, not all areas are growing as fast as other portions of the country, but it's not in decline as the narrative suggests.

I find it ironic that if this recruiting territory enjoyed in the ACC were as strong as you suggest, you'd think the ACC would be better than it has been; except, it hasn't. It's been a major conference doormat for most of the past two decades. Even this year, the Big Ten was unusually weak from top to bottom, it was still arguably better than the ACC -- who was slightly stronger than usual.

The Big Ten continues to be a better football league than the ACC. That's not likely to change any time soon. The revenues support that claim. There's a reason the Big Ten's brand brings in so much money.
 
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kyleslamb said:
Are you seriously using Ohio State hiring Urban Meyer as an example? You do realize Urban was an Ohio State grad, right? He grew up in Ohio. They hired the "Florida coach" because he was a diehard Ohio State guy who knew Ohio State's tradition.

The whole "Big Ten region is declining" is an utter myth. The only state in the Big Ten region that is losing population is Michigan. The rest of the area is growing. Now, not all areas are growing as fast as other portions of the country, but it's not in decline as the narrative suggests.

I find it ironic that if this recruiting territory enjoyed in the ACC were as strong as you suggest, you'd think the ACC would be better than it has been; except, it hasn't. It's been a major conference doormat for most of the past two decades. Even this year, the Big Ten was unusually weak from top to bottom, it was still arguably better than the ACC -- who was slightly stronger than usual.

The Big Ten continues to be a better football league than the ACC. That's not likely to change any time soon. The revenues support that claim. There's a reason the Big Ten's brand brings in so much money.
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If the B1G could grab New York, Philly, Chicago and half of DC, it's game over for everyone else. The ACC would lay claim to Atlanta and half of DC, 100 sq. feet of Boston, while the B12 would have Dallas, and the P12 would have LA and San Francisco.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
There may not be a sports message board on the Internet where it is easier for an outside troll to hijack a thread than it is on this one.
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And we can't use words like super-star-dom or mus-t-ard.
 
formerlurker said:
And we can't use words like super-star-dom or mus-t-ard.
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No.

Because you are children who cannot be trusted to responsibly use condiments and, you know, normal words.
 
husky10 said:
Atlanta is a pretty big SEC town. Maybe the ACC owns Charlotte and Raligh for sizable markets though
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Yep, was just in Atlanta for a week and I would say 95% of the college sportswear down there was Georgia/Alabama/Florida/Auburn
 
upstater said:
If the B1G could grab New York, Philly, Chicago and half of DC, it's game over for everyone else. The ACC would lay claim to Atlanta and half of DC, 100 sq. feet of Boston, while the B12 would have Dallas, and the P12 would have LA and San Francisco.
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Yep. The Big Ten's network footprint could span nearly 40 percent of the country. Currently, the Big 12 encompasses just over 10 percent, for comparison. While the ACC would have a lot of coverage, it doesn't have nearly the brand power.
 
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