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The key to pulling something like this off is joining the nBE as an affiliate member in everything but men’s and women’s hoops so that we add value to their Olympic sports package and have scheduling arrangements where we play all of their teams in hoops every year. If they let us keep our own rights for men’s and women’s hoops, we could possibly join as a full member. Football goes indy, but we have to have scheduling agreements in place with other conferences, like is being suggested including football, hoops, and other sports to make our schedule attractive enough. I assume that SNY would be allowed to re-sell our games so that nationally prominent matchups could be acquired by national outlets. SNY could stand to make a profit under that model.



I don’t think this is real, but I do really like the idea.
 
businesslawyer said:
Neither the Big Ten nor the ACC can allow UConn to be playing meaningful football games against other conferences in Metlife or Yankee Stadium, and neither the Big Ten nor the ACC can allow UConn to be inviting SEC and Pac Ten teams into MSG and Barclays for meaningful games in January and February. In each of their cases, their hoops to dominate NYC, or even maximize their share, requires UConn to either join their conference or whither and die. And that is the beauty of it Biz. One of the knocks against taking UConn has been that we'd be here waiting so there was no rush. If this scenario is deemed realistic, that changes that calculus.

That having been said, if SNY was willing to pay that for the UConn schedule discussed, we would be in the Big already (and ESPN would have offered the ACC more to take us than LV in the first place rather than being indifferent). Someone had to pitch our potential correctly first. This scenario does exactly that.
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Your first comment is exactly the point. But, as to your second, if you really think that Swofford or Delaney or their conferences made their decisions on "pitches," rather than their own experts carefully studying the value of various possibilities from a media perspective, you are just wrong.
 
You can pitch our potential but if you oversell, they'll know it. I'd love it if the scheduling arrangements were realistic but I have serious doubts.
 
I'm not the UCONN person to be asking about basketball. I have no idea where Notre Dame played hoops prior to the Big East. I know that in football, up through about 1990 or so, of the little over 100 division 1 football schools, about 28-30 if I'm not mistaken were all indendant - for football.

There have been lots of basketball leagues come and go, and constantly change, on the east coast in the past 30-40 years. The ECAC, which is still existing, was a very large organization of schools, with multiple divisions, that the majority of the schools that eventually became the Big East basketball schools played hoops in. UCONN was a yankee conference program - and I think it was the ECAC, originally, that started breaking up the yankee conference around basketball, in the 1970s and not the big east conference. In the early 1970s, it was the creation of divisions, that drove Vermont out of football, that started the demise of that conference.

I really don't know, if there are any big time basketball programs that have ever spent time scheduling without conference affiliation. I really don't know - but I don't think so, because post season tournaments have almost always been tied to conference championships for as long as I can remember.
 
Junglehusky is probably right. I believe from the inside is a mod on the Texas rivals board. If he had something this juicy, he would post it over there or here. Not on csnbbs.
 
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Biz, assuming the your first paragraph is true, then UConn should absolutely be pushing for something like this. Even if the money mentioned is optimistic, I still think UConn would be worth 12-15 mill, to a network like SNY with that type of schedule. Not every PAC or SEC game is going to be shown nationally, so agreeing to this sort of scheduling will get them showcased in NYC regularly.

If the UConn brass let's us play for 2mill a year for the duration of our contract, our basketball value will surely go down playing BBall games regularly against the likes of ECU, Tulane, and SMU twice a year.

It may be far fetched, but I think the UConn/SNY connection could be beneficial to both parties in this scenario. The trick is getting those other conferences to buy in and there would have to be something in it for them. Is NYC exposure enough? I don't know.
 
noeynox said:
The trick is getting those other conferences to buy in and there would have to be something in it for them. Is NYC exposure enough? I don't know.
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I think the only way they would even think about taking this is if you move at least every other UConn home game against the P12/SEC to NYC. It may have to be the sacrifice that you need to make to get this deal done. Although if you can make an opening weekend game in NYC a yearly tradition against a high level team, then it might be worth the one fewer game at The Rent.
 
So the assumption is that PAC SEC and psu plays in NYC? Same for basketball, so Barclays or MSG. I can see why the other leagues and schools would be interested. Also, remember that Fairfield county is part of the ny dma. If added to new haven/Hartford/Springfield Connecticut would have the 20th largest dma in the country.
 
junglehusky said:
You can pitch our potential but if you oversell, they'll know it. I'd love it if the scheduling arrangements were realistic but I have serious doubts.
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But...didn't Louisville succeed in overselling?
 
Look, it would be great for us. I just don't think you could pull the scheduling off, and I don't think the contract would get us anything near that amount even if you could. That having been said, you could certainly sell our media rights with that schedule for far, far more than we're making now, so it comes down to the scheduling arrangements. I just don't see that many players wanting to do something that is good for us. But who knows what direction the P5 will go in, and how that will effect us. As I've said, I rule nothing out.
 
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junglehusky said:
Hmmm. My spidey sense is telling me this is definitely not the same "FromTheInside" that posted here last year. In fact, to me it sounds like a certain former boneyarder - who enjoys throwing slashes on random lists and making crazy unrealistic scenarios sound easy as pie (and then get on his soapbox and rant about how everybody else is a bunch of clowns for not making that crazy scenario come to fruition in two months) - finally figured out how to edit his sentences and use capitalization.

I could be wrong, but that's my gut reaction.
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nope... his computer didn't have a shift key... so unless he bought a new laptop or new keyboard, it's not HFD.
 
noeynox said:
I still think UConn would be worth 12-15 mill, to a network like SNY with that type of schedule. Not every PAC or SEC game is going to be shown nationally, so agreeing to this sort of scheduling will get them showcased in NYC regularly.
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To me, this is the weakest part of the scenario. The idea that any SEC team would play a non-conference, non-bowl game north of the Mason Dixon line in November is absurd. Simply absurd.
 
businesslawyer said:
Your first comment is exactly the point. But, as to your second, if you really think that Swofford or Delaney or their conferences made their decisions on "pitches," rather than their own experts carefully studying the value of various possibilities from a media perspective, you are just wrong.
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Uh, no, I don't and also I do not believe that Swofford or Delaney lurk on the Boneyard waiting for CR ideas. I also don't believe that any change of conference could take place in the next hour or so. I figured I'd get rid of those equally implausible scenarios at the same time so you wouldn't feel the need to profer them and then shoot them down.

I believe, but do not know, that B1G is very well aware of our value as I expect that we would be included in preliminary studies of available properties out there. (I'm not so sure about the ACC, as it seems that the LV pick up was reactionary rather than strategic.)

So let me restate my point not using shorthand. I think it is possible that UConn is pursuing a Independent strategy which will position the university to be included in the proposed Div 4 by either being independent or by making UConn as independent so unattractive to our two target conferences that it will change their analysis of our participation in their conferences and result in offer (and though it pains me to actually have to add this to the text) after doing their due dilligence, of course.

Better?
 
junglehusky said:
Have a look at this "FromTheInside" post and see if you change your mind. I'd bet a six pack of decent beer if someone can do an IP trace (legally of course) it'll match HFD. He's borrowing credibility from another person's screenname. Note the csnbbs FTI user account opened this month, coincidentally when HFD disappeared from here (whether by choice or by force I don't know).
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damn you....
 
So..... UConn is essentially worthless to ESPN but they are worth 30 million to a regional sports channel on the strength of their women's bball viewership?

This is pure fantasy. Entertaining though.
 
Butch said:
But...didn't Louisville succeed in overselling?
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They had the Big12 openly fishing for them. We had a pipe dream of the B1G fishing for us. Which one worked?

Anyway I was responding to CL82 and businesslawyer who were talking about using HFD/FTI's imaginary SNY deal to make our pitch to Pac12 and SEC schools for a scheduling arrangement. If that imaginary SNY deal doesn't exist and doesn't have a realistic chance of existing in the future, those Pac12 and SEC schools are smart enough to know how to make a phone call and find that out for themselves.

Maybe there is a non-zero chance that kind of deal could happen. Maybe UConn is trying to set it up and HFD heard about it. But my hunch is that it's pretty remote and HFD/FTI is making the whole thing up to get the yard riled up and frothing at the mouths. Seems to have worked.
 
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As a side note, what the hell happened to HFD?

I check the site multiple (ok, dozens) of times every day, but I must have missed it?
 
junglehusky said:
Have a look at this "FromTheInside" post and see if you change your mind. I'd bet a six pack of decent beer if someone can do an IP trace (legally of course) it'll match HFD. He's borrowing credibility from another person's screenname. Note the csnbbs FTI user account opened this month, coincidentally when HFD disappeared from here (whether by choice or by force I don't know).
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You may be on to something. The line that has.........Ecu to sec..... is his type of crazy and missing the caps on SEC.
 
CL82 said:
Uh, no, I don't and also I do not believe that Swofford or Delaney lurk on the Boneyard waiting for CR ideas. I also don't believe that any change of conference could take place in the next hour or so. I figured I'd get rid of those equally implausible scenarios at the same time so you would feel the need to profer them and then shoot them down.

I believe, but do not know, that B1G is very well aware of our value as I expect that we would be included in preliminary studies of available properties out there. (I'm not so sure about the ACC, as it seems that the LV pick up was reactionary rather than strategic.)

So let me restate my point not using shorthand. I think it is possible that UConn is pursuing a Independent strategy which will position the university to be included in the proposed Div 4 by either being independent or by making UConn as independent so unattractive to our two target conferences that it will change their analysis of our participation in their conferences and result in offer (and though it pains me to actually have to add this to the text) after doing their due dilligence, of course.

Better?
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Anything is possible. If I had to guess, I think it's more likely that the combination of the top end of the American and MWC, which almost happened last year, does happen, because now Boise and SD State and a few others would need to leave the MWC, if not for TV than just so the top American schools and the top MWC schools have people willing to commit to spending the money to make the jump. What would be ideal would be if, as part of the new D4, you could play D4 football as a conference even if the members belonged to other conferences for other sports.
 
CTEagle said:
So..... UConn is essentially worthless to ESPN but they are worth 30 million to a regional sports channel on the strength of their women's bball viewership?

This is pure fantasy. Entertaining though.
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Fantasy I agree with.

But really, who left the cellar door open? I hate when Boston College University people poke out of the cellar. They're like Whac-A-Moles.
 
Addendum - if the Power 5 go beyond just changing the governance / structure / voting rules of the NCAA and form a new subdivision with some number of other schools who can support 22 varsity sports and some number of $$$ for stipends, then yes I think it is very realistic that UConn will look at any and all scenarios to be included with whatever other major non-power 5 sports schools (Cincy, Boise, etc) are allowed to make the jump, including independence. Not clear yet if that is what's going to happen.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
As a side note, what the hell happened to HFD?

I check the site multiple (ok, dozens) of times every day, but I must have missed it?
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The old saying...."When you give someone enough rope....."
 
My most plausible guess is he went to UConn to build Ron Mallett's time machine. With the ultimate goal of changing the timeline to eliminate Hitler and capitalization, and get us in a better conference. God speed HFD... god speed.
 
My other thought about this is does the person who brought us this story, Penfield, have any link to HFD?

Do we have a co conspirator? Just askin'. :cool:
 
Looks like the meds wore off with "fti's" later posts in the CSNBBS thread. Its HFD.
 
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