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Husky25 said:
1. I defy you to point out in any of my posts where I even intimate remaining status quo...

2. Is willingly reducing athletic status to mid-major (divest football to FCS and beg to join the Newly aligned Big East does exactly that) your idea of advancing the department as a whole?

3. Do not pontificate. Answer "Yes" or "No" to the following:
3a. Does adding 165 new faculty as a part of, "one of the most ambitious plans of its type in U.S. higher education," indicate status quo?
3b. Does hiring Joshua Newton indicate status quo?
3c. Does the UConn Foundation purchasing a $600,000 house for the sole and expressed purpose of fund raising and increasing the endowment indicate status quo?
3d. Does building a state-of-the-art basketball training facility indicate status quo?
3e. Does authorizing the Athletic Director to spend $multiple millions for a new qualified dynamic football coach indicate status quo?

If you answer Yes to any of these then I guess I do want the status quo, but you cannot answer Yes, because it just ain't factually correct. You can't even give me a "yeah, but," on the academic goals because a big piece to achieving athletic goals is success on the academic side.

The reality is that this is only a sample of what we know about. The truth is there are a million moving parts going on behind the scenes that we are not even aware, and the culmination of those moving parts is the attainment of AAU status and an invite to the most lucrative athletic conference in the country. It's amazing, Nelson. For someone who is so liberal and progressive in the Cesspool, you are the most staunch conservative (bordering on regressive) here.
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Got it wrong. His postings here are just what would expect from wacko liberal. When face adversity, cut and run.
 
billybud said:
Football...football...football

CR is about football.

Basketball does attract viewers and interest, particularly in March. But, in the ACC anyway, it has been stated that football brings in about 80% of the moola in the media contract.
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As I'm looking at the ratings early in the season (and I never have before) I've been noticing that the marquee basketball games do better than the average football games. I've seen 1-2 million viewers for UConn bball, and last week a game did 2.4 million for someone (I'm not sure who it was, but I assume it was maybe Duke-Arizona). Many of these ratings are above the vast majority of college football games. The top ranked football teams however kill the top ranked bball. The top ranked bball will only do as well as, say, Oregon-Oregon State.

But still, this means that top basketball is as good as mediocre football when it comes to ratings.

So, while bball might only be 20% of the value, who is bringing that 20% to the game? I'd submit that Duke basketball makes you more money than NC State or Georgia Tech football.

Something to consider.
 
upstater said:
As I'm looking at the ratings early in the season (and I never have before) I've been noticing that the marquee basketball games do better than the average football games. I've seen 1-2 million viewers for UConn bball, and last week a game did 2.4 million for someone (I'm not sure who it was, but I assume it was maybe Duke-Arizona). Many of these ratings are above the vast majority of college football games. The top ranked football teams however kill the top ranked bball. The top ranked bball will only do as well as, say, Oregon-Oregon State.

But still, this means that top basketball is as good as mediocre football when it comes to ratings.

So, while bball might only be 20% of the value, who is bringing that 20% to the game? I'd submit that Duke basketball makes you more money than NC State or Georgia Tech football.

Something to consider.
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You are correct about Duke (albeit an exception to the rule). The following article details revenue of basketball vs. football in the ACC.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsm...inancials-heavily-skewed-by-duke-unc-success/
 
itgoeslike said:
You are correct about Duke (albeit an exception to the rule). The following article details revenue of basketball vs. football in the ACC.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsm...inancials-heavily-skewed-by-duke-unc-success/
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But that's revenue, as opposed to TV money.

I did find it interesting that 32% of the ACC's income is from bball.

Even at UConn, however, where bball gets great TV ratings, the football revenue for the school is at least the equal to bball revenue.
 
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Everyone here was disagreeing with Nelson, so why suddenly insert politics...so there can be even more disagreement about something irrelevant to this board?
 
upstater said:
But that's revenue, as opposed to TV money.

I did find it interesting that 32% of the ACC's income is from bball.

Even at UConn, however, where bball gets great TV ratings, the football revenue for the school is at least the equal to bball revenue.
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I believe I mentioned the article "details revenue". The following article is couple of years old, but puts the Football out in front of MBB in terms of revenue. Maybe it's changed but I can't imagine the proportions changing that much. What's interesting is that the women's revenue is over $10M and is as high or higher than every mens team in the ACC, aside from Duke and UNC (per previous article, which doesn't include Syracuse and PITT). The only caveat is that the ACC typical nets more profit.

http://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/UConn-data-shows-football-two-basketball-2405962.php
 
The basketball vs. football revenue arguments are meaningless now since all the all-sports conferences sell their media rights on a consolidated basis.

Conference realignment is not solely driven by football. If that was the case, then why were Colorado, Maryland and Rutgers among the winners? Nebraska is the only example I see where football was the primary driving factor. For the rest of the schools, including UConn, they are where they are because of markets, or in our case, the threat we posed to Boston College.

It is interesting that if UConn's athletic program eventually is as seriously impaired as most of us fear, will the state do anything to the primary, and in essence, only culprit for that result. Universities can fight dirty over research dollars and talent, but I can not recall another example where one university could potentially be successful in destroying another school's athletic program.
 
It always amazes me when people think they can have a rational debate with Nelson on here.

Here is the standard outline of a Nelson thread:

- Nelson starts thread with controversial topic
- innocent poster responds with reasonable pushback
- Nelson believes he has a victim in his web and responds with condescending over the top non fact based statements
- victim responds stronger with more facts thinking this will help their argument (fool)
- Nelson launches his secret weapon...the personal attack...which spins the thread into a new direction and distracts everyone from his initial poorly thought out point.
- victim vows to never be sucked into another pointless Nelson debate
- rinse...repeat
 
Math must be hard for Shaky, because my entire first post was numbers.

Who has responded with facts? Math is the core of this debate, so there should be a fact based way to rebut my assertion if I am wrong.

Most of this thread is really just:

a) a large percentage of posters refuse to give the catholic schools a shred of credit for anything (See upstater).
B) people angry about the conference situation and taking it out on me.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Math must be hard for Shaky, because my entire first post was numbers.

Who has responded with facts? Math is the core of this debate, so there should be a fact based way to rebut my assertion if I am wrong.

Most of this thread is really just:

a) a large percentage of posters refuse to give the catholic schools a shred of credit for anything (See upstater).
B) people angry about the conference situation and taking it out on me.
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You didn't follow my process flow....I didn't say your first post didn't contain numbers.

But...you did pull out your secret weapon "Math must be hard for Shaky"....the personal attack..well done!
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
You didn't follow my process flow....I didn't say your first post didn't contain numbers.

But...you did pull out your secret weapon "Math must be hard for Shaky"....the personal attack..well done!
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Nelson thinks that DePaul is better than Duke. They must be - their RPI is higher.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Math must be hard for Shaky, because my entire first post was numbers.

Who has responded with facts? Math is the core of this debate, so there should be a fact based way to rebut my assertion if I am wrong.

Most of this thread is really just:

a) a large percentage of posters refuse to give the catholic schools a shred of credit for anything (See upstater).
B) people angry about the conference situation and taking it out on me.
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No, the "core of this debate" is that your math has been proven wrong, so you've moved on to everything but RPI in this discussion.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Math must be hard for Shaky, because my entire first post was numbers.
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Here are facts for you (which have been stated ad naseum):
Your entire first post referenced 1) a tiny small sample size of 2) incomplete information.

Massaged just right and given an intended context, you can spin numbers to represent anything you please. Ever hear of Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics?
It's like saying that Michael Jordan was a terrible basketball player because he missed 9,000 shots.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Math must be hard for Shaky, because my entire first post was numbers.

Who has responded with facts? Math is the core of this debate, so there should be a fact based way to rebut my assertion if I am wrong.

Most of this thread is really just:

a) a large percentage of posters refuse to give the catholic schools a shred of credit for anything (See upstater).
B) people angry about the conference situation and taking it out on me.
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Credit for what? CR is being driven by football, and the catholic schools don't have football. The goal is to get into a P5 conference and the best way to do that is put the football team in the best position possible; the other sports will just have to follow.

If the other sports join the catholic schools where does the football team go?
Has any conference offered to take just the football team? If not then that clearly isn't an option.
Do you want the football team to go independent? Very few schools can go independent and make it. Notre Dame obviously, BYU and to some extent the Service Academies. There may be some others, but UConn isn't one of them.

If UConn goes independent in football they will have a hard time:
- getting on national TV
- recruiting outside of NE (which isn't that strong of a recruiting ground).
- scheduling
At least in the AAC UConn has conference opponents to schedule, a national TV contract and exposure in recruiting rich states like Texas and Florida.
 
sdhusky said:
Nelson thinks that DePaul is better than Duke. They must be - their RPI is higher.
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When you have to claim I said something when I in fact said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, you have lost the argument.
 
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pepband99 said:
No, the "core of this debate" is that your math has been proven wrong, so you've moved on to everything but RPI in this discussion.
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Which post proved my math wrong? Your explanation will be useless, so just copy the post. Thanks.
 
Husky25 said:
Here are facts for you (which have been stated ad naseum):
Your entire first post referenced 1) a tiny small sample size of 2) incomplete information.

Massaged just right and given an intended context, you can spin numbers to represent anything you please. Ever hear of Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics?
It's like saying that Michael Jordan was a terrible basketball player because he missed 9,000 shots.
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What numbers am I spinning? The AAC is the 7th best conference as of right now, and most of the OOC is behind us. If you pulled UConn's numbers out of the AAC (which anyone that has performed comparative analysis would do), the AAC would probably not be in the Top 10.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/conferencerpi

It is amazing that this board argues the obviously false premise that the AAC is just as good as the Big East, when there are other, less idiotic, arguments to make.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What numbers am I spinning? The AAC is the 7th best conference as of right now, and most of the OOC is behind us. If you pulled UConn's numbers out of the AAC (which anyone that has performed comparative analysis would do), the AAC would probably not be in the Top 10.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/conferencerpi

It is amazing that this board argues the obviously false premise that the AAC is just as good as the Big East, when there are other, less idiotic, arguments to make.
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It's obvious now that you're making stuff up simply to garner attention. I don't recall anyone suggesting that the AAC was better than NBE, but rather that it is essentially irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

The two points that have been successfully argued, which run contrary to your original post are:

1.) Using RPI data in November is virtually useless and silly.
2.) For now, as much as it may disappoint, UCONN in the AAC is the right choice—both financially and strategically.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
When you have to claim I said something when I in fact said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, you have lost the argument.
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In fact, you exact quote was "DePaul is better than Duke. Look at the RPI"

I cut and pasted it from your post to make sure I got it right.
 
Wooo Hooo...I watched the UNC game as the Tar Heels put down #1 Sparty..and I am not a BB fan.

Watched Mizzou and WVU as well....I might get into this BB thing yet.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What numbers am I spinning? The AAC is the 7th best conference as of right now, and most of the OOC is behind us. If you pulled UConn's numbers out of the AAC (which anyone that has performed comparative analysis would do), the AAC would probably not be in the Top 10.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2014/conferencerpi

It is amazing that this board argues the obviously false premise that the AAC is just as good as the Big East, when there are other, less idiotic, arguments to make.
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Both 1) and 2) from my last post. I am not inclined to repost it, but you're free to scroll up and re-read. Review three times for maximum comprehension.

That is all. Dismissed, you have homework to do.
 
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sdhusky said:
In fact, you exact quote was "DePaul is better than Duke. Look at the RPI"

I cut and pasted it from your post to make sure I got it right.
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I never said that.
 
Lucky for us, we're getting rid of Rutgers and Louisville. Rutgers sucks and Louisville -- with it's 122 ranked RPI -- is really weighing our conference RPI down as well!

Without those two teams, our conference RPI would be .565 (up from .551), within .003 of the ACC (adjusted to include Louisville).

So clearly, the RPI numbers prove our new basketball league is as good as the ACC going forward! (Or, just maybe, RPI measures aren't worth a hill of beans this early in the season and league RPI "averages" aren't actually precise measurements of anything).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I never said that.
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It's an exact (cut and pasted) quote.

Are you suggesting someone logged into your account and just started posting stupid stuff? How are we supposed to tell which stupid stuff is yours and which stupid stuff is the hacker?
 
sdhusky said:
It's an exact (cut and pasted) quote.

Are you sugesting someone logged into your account and just started posting stupid stuff? How are we supposed to tell which stupid stuff is yours and which stupid stuff is the hacker?
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Our posts have date and time stamps. Please provide the date and time for the post in which i claimed Depaul is better than Duke.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Our posts have date and time stamps. Please provide the date and time for the post in which i claimed Depaul is better than Duke.
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Stop changing the subject.

How are we supposed to know what stupid posts are from you and what stupid posts are from the hacker using your account?
 
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