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I think Nelson is right to be concerned.

USF lost to Detroit tonight. Remember what UConn did to Detroit? Villanova beat Kansas and Iowa in a 48 hour span. I think it's pretty clear the old BE is going to be a better hoops league compared to the AAC once Louisville leaves.

When Louisville leaves, UConn will not be properly prepared for NCAA play in the AAC. Memphis is a terribly coached team and just plain dumb. Attendance will suffer and our preperation for top NCAA play will too. There's really nothing that can be done about it. I'd be lying if I wasn't as concerned as Nelson.
 
The American isn't going to be a good basketball conference - it is what it is.

Nelson's fantasies aside, we don't have any options.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Wow! Current C-USA games count against us in the RPI now??? Holy cow, Nelson! :rolleyes:

Also, explain to me what this thing called Mercer is, because they beat Seton Hall. This is how foolish you're being...
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LOL. You realize how ignorant you sound? Are you really arguing that the AAC is just as good as the Big East from a basketball perspective? I will remember this particular argument to evaluate your credibility on any other basketball related position you have.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Can't you see the stands? Casual fans are already walking away. These early season matchups would sell ot Gampel and come close to selling out HCC. Is there a single game that is sold out yet? I hope florida is.
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Was the last time you watched a game in the mid 2000s? That hasn't been true in almost a decade.
 
Fishy said:
The American isn't going to be a good basketball conference - it is what it is.

Nelson's fantasies aside, we don't have any options.
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You may be right.

The Big East schools walked away because they did not want to be in a league with USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Tulane, ECU and the rest of the attendance repellant that is now in this conference. I think they would be receptive to UConn as a football independent and basketball only member. It would also cut the costs of the non-revenue sports to be in a league more closely based in the northeast.

I am not above joining the A10 either. UConn, Cincinnati and Temple would make the A10 the 7th best basketball league. Or UConn could go alone. At least it wouldn't be the train wreck that this AAC is.

To do that, we would probably have to go independent in football. I know a lot of you think the odds are long, but the current situation is a death sentence, so anything would be an improvement. I would even join the MAC for football over staying in this league for all sports.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
but the current situation is a death sentence, so anything would be an improvement.
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How is the current situation a death sentence?

We are collecting exit fee money instead of paying it out, the football competition on the field is and will be as good as we have had in the past, the basketball teams will continue to be top notch with Ollie and Geno. In spite of what you say Temple, Cincy and Memphis are good basketball programs and there are other schools in the AAC that are decent (just as good as Seton Hall, Depaul, Rutgers, St Johns and the Providence teams of the last 15 years). We will also have just about every game on ESPN and we are actively pursuing a better conference.

How is all of this a death sentence?

Please stop the nonsense.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
How is the current situation a death sentence?

We are collecting exit fee money instead of paying it out, the football competition on the field is and will be as good as we have had in the past, the basketball teams will continue to be top notch with Ollie and Geno. In spite of what you say Temple, Cincy and Memphis are good basketball programs and there are other schools in the AAC that are decent (just as good as Seton Hall, Depaul, St Johns and the Providence teams of the last 15 years). We will also have just about every game on ESPN and we are actively pursuing a better conference.

How is all of this a death sentence?

Please stop the nonsense.
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It is a death sentence because casual UConn fans do not care about our schedule any more, and the conference for basketball is not nearly as good as you claim. How many at-large bids do Tulane, ECU, USF, UCF, Houston, and Tulsa have in the last 10 years? I believe USF has 1, and that was as a member of the Big East. After that, I don't think there are any. To say that those schools are just as good as Providence, St. Johns, Seton Hall or Depaul is ridiculous. Which one of those AAC schools could beat Vanderbilt on a neutral court?

The football league is roughly equivalent to the MWC now, but no where near the Big East from the last 10 years. It is a southern mid-major league with a bunch of schools that most UConn fans would have trouble finding without wikipedia.

The TV exposure is about the only thing we have going for us, but if this year is any indication, a lot of our games are going to be on ESPN3.

This Boneyard had exactly the same argument 4 years ago when I said that the Big East Television contract was a death sentence to the league, and the league should do whatever it could to break it. The Big East chose to go along and get along, and for 16 of the schools, that worked out great, but for UConn, USF and Cincinnati, it was disastrous.

It always seems to come back to the Exit Fees. I also believe that was the driver of this conference affiliation decision. Short term thinking. They are a one time windfall that will not be replicated again.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
LOL. You realize how ignorant you sound? Are you really arguing that the AAC is just as good as the Big East from a basketball perspective? I will remember this particular argument to evaluate your credibility on any other basketball related position you have.
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Yup. I'm the one that's ignorant. :rolleyes:

You're a clown. I have already gone on record in this very thread as saying that the NBE is MARGINALLY better than the American in terms of a schedule in men's basketball. I can say that comfortably, because others have already provided you a ton of data to support it, and further data will continue to come in over the next month to two months. And I'm also on record for saying that it will matter VERY LITTLE to what will happen to the UConn men. We are able to, and have already, scheduled top opponents to play in the OOC schedule to account for it. We are playing teams like Maryland, Indiana, BC, Florida, Stanford, Washington, and Harvard. Games like these have replaced games like Sacred Heart, Fairfield, Quinnipiac, etc. We will also continue our practice of participating in an early season tournament every year. And we will still have two games against Cincy, Memphis, and Temple every year and we will likely have yet another game against one or more of them in the league tournament. Also, Houston and SMU will soon become teams to be reckoned with, considering their current coaching and recruiting situations respectively.

So in closing, you're a clown. And unlike you, I don't have to remember your arguments because you repeat them every hour of every day on every thread in the Boneyard. Now, feel free to go back to talking about Tulane and football independence...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Look around Gampel or the XL.
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The same thing could have been said early in the year when UConn was still in your beloved Big East. Were you in a coma the past 5 years?
 
UConnDan97 said:
Yup. I'm the one that's ignorant. :rolleyes:

You're a clown. I have already gone on record in this very thread as saying that the NBE is MARGINALLY better than the American in terms of a schedule in men's basketball. I can say that comfortably, because others have already provided you a ton of data to support it, and further data will continue to come in over the next month to two months. And I'm also on record for saying that it will matter VERY LITTLE to what will happen to the UConn men. We are able to, and have already, scheduled top opponents to play in the OOC schedule to account for it. We are playing teams like Maryland, Indiana, BC, Florida, Stanford, Washington, and Harvard. Games like these have replaced games like Sacred Heart, Fairfield, Quinnipiac, etc. We will also continue our practice of participating in an early season tournament every year. And we will still have two games against Cincy, Memphis, and Temple every year and we will likely have yet another game against one or more of them in the league tournament. Also, Houston and SMU will soon become teams to be reckoned with, considering their current coaching and recruiting situations respectively.

So in closing, you're a clown. And unlike you, I don't have to remember your arguments because you repeat them every hour of every day on every thread in the Boneyard. Now, feel free to go back to talking about Tulane and football independence...
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The AAC is a mid-major league and the Big East is a big step up. The RPI says so, the W/L against P5 conferences says so, the TV contracts say so, and anyone who has the slightest idea what they are talking about with basketball says so.

The fact that UConn agreed to an 18 game schedule against this mess shows that Herbst and Manual either don't care about the basketball program or have no idea what they are doing. The AAC should have a 16 game schedule MAX, and I would prefer a 14 game schedule.
 
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whaler11 said:
The same thing could have been said early in the year when UConn was still in your beloved Big East. Were you in a coma the past 5 years?
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You think this conference is a train wreck too, so I don't know what point you are trying to make. Just more Whaler taking the other side of whatever argument someone is trying to make?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The AAC is a mid-major league and the Big East is a big step up. The RPI says so, the W/L against P5 conferences says so, the TV contracts say so, and anyone who has the slightest idea what they are talking about with basketball says so.

The fact that UConn agreed to an 18 game schedule against this mess shows that Herbst and Manual either don't care about the basketball program or have no idea what they are doing. The AAC should have a 16 game schedule MAX, and I would prefer a 14 game schedule.
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You know damn well they can't play a 14 game season. You know there is no way to schedule enough OOC games after New Years to play only 14.

You know that 1 month can no way predict the long term outcome for these leagues because the leagues may change the way the schools can recruit and you won't see that impact for years.

I agree that the Big East is going to be a better basketball league than the AAC. But, to declare victory after a few weeks is a bit silly.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You think this conference is a train wreck too, so I don't know what point you are trying to make. Just more Whaler taking the other side of whatever argument someone is trying to make?
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Yeah and I'll make that argument based on real data points. Not just making things up.

I agree the basketball league is worse. I don't think it's anywhere near big a deal as you do and I think your idea that they could have left basketball in the Big East is laughably silly.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The AAC is a mid-major league and the Big East is a big step up. The RPI says so, the W/L against P5 conferences says so, the TV contracts say so, and anyone who has the slightest idea what they are talking about with basketball says so.

The fact that UConn agreed to an 18 game schedule against this mess shows that Herbst and Manual either don't care about the basketball program or have no idea what they are doing. The AAC should have a 16 game schedule MAX, and I would prefer a 14 game schedule.
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SMU:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2013/smu-82
http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2014/smu-82
Includes the #2 overall player of 2014 (Mudiay)
Coached by one of KO's mentors, Larry Brown

Houston:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/connecticut...2/houston-80;_ylt=ArPmFvn_AL.NAZtQJlIz4KHwOrF_
Includes the #20 and #54 players overall in 2012 (House, Knowles)

You know, so that you don't think that I haven't the slightest idea what I'm talking about...

(*We are also "getting rid of" Big East driftwood by the name of Rutgers...)
 
Houston should be a lot better. It is probably the best Southern city for basketball talent, and has tremendous history, albeit distant history. It is also a cautionary tale of what can happen when a school takes a big step down in conference affiliation. If Houston can drop that far after leaving a major, what could happen to UConn?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Houston should be a lot better. It is probably the best Southern city for basketball talent, and has tremendous history, albeit distant history. It is also a cautionary tale of what can happen when a school takes a big step down in conference affiliation. If Houston can drop that far after leaving a major, what could happen to UConn?
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DePaul should be a lot better, too. They are a large city with a load of talent, having played in the greatest conference in the history of NCAA basketball (winning 5 of the last 14 championships). Yet they aren't good either. If the OLD Big East couldn't save them, why on earth would the NEW Big East? ;)
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Can't you see the stands? Casual fans are already walking away. These early season matchups would sell ot Gampel and come close to selling out HCC. Is there a single game that is sold out yet? I hope florida is.
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I'll repeat. How can you comment on how fans are reacting to the conference games (or suggest that the fans aren't coming because of the conference affiliation) when we haven't played a conference game yet?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
It always seems to come back to the Exit Fees. I also believe that was the driver of this conference affiliation decision. Short term thinking. They are a one time windfall that will not be replicated again.
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The thinking here is that any one of your scenarios is, long term, just as much of a death sentence as staying where we are. So we stay, keep the exit fees to keeps us afloat financially for the next three years, and see whether there ends up being further movement on realignment that could work in our favor. If we're dead either way, this thinking makes the most sense.
 
ASweet3781 said:
I think Nelson is right to be concerned.

USF lost to Detroit tonight. Remember what UConn did to Detroit? Villanova beat Kansas and Iowa in a 48 hour span. I think it's pretty clear the old BE is going to be a better hoops league compared to the AAC once Louisville leaves.

When Louisville leaves, UConn will not be properly prepared for NCAA play in the AAC. Memphis is a terribly coached team and just plain dumb. Attendance will suffer and our preperation for top NCAA play will too. There's really nothing that can be done about it. I'd be lying if I wasn't as concerned as Nelson.
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You take a bad loss by a cruddy AAC team and compare it to the conference's best win of the season. Hmmmm. There are cruddy BE teams too, with cruddy losses.
 
And the NelsonMuntz Curse continues for the NBE:

Providence loses big to Kentucky
Creighton loses to George Washington (guaranteeing that they will be out of the top25 for a little while with back-to-back losses)
Butler loses to LSU
Marquette currently losing by 4 to SDSU with less than 2 minutes left (ESPN2)

And a side note: Memphis (a team that a certain mod thinks is s---), beats #5 Oklahoma State to help improve the American status.

Like I said....only marginally better...

EDIT: Marquette just lost to SDSU. They'll drop out of the top25 as well. The curse continues...
 
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In his defense he said Memphis was except for the 40 minutes they spend playing basketball.
 
whaler11 said:
In his defense he said Memphis was except for the 40 minutes they spend playing basketball.
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That's true. My apologies on that one...
 
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UConnDan97 said:
And the NelsonMuntz Curse continues for the NBE:

Providence loses big to Kentucky
Creighton loses to George Washington (guaranteeing that they will be out of the top25 for a little while with back-to-back losses)
Butler loses to LSU
Marquette currently losing by 4 to SDSU with less than 2 minutes left (ESPN2)

And a side note: Memphis (a team that a certain mod thinks is s---), beats #5 Oklahoma State to help improve the American status.

Like I said....only marginally better...

EDIT: Marquette just lost to SDSU. They'll drop out of the top25 as well. The curse continues...
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And despite all that, the Big East is still the #3 RPI conference.

But heah, you are all in on the AAC (without UConn) = Big East. No backing down now. Let's see where this goes.
 
BFieldHusky said:
Nelson, do you believe the American is a better league this year than the vaunted ACC? Because according to the conference RPI as of 12/2, they are a better league.
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LOL. As always, the important thing with RPI is to play the first place cupcakes instead of the last place cupcakes.

The NBE had kind of a rough weekend: New Big East
Great:
Villanova takes down 2 Kansas and 24 Iowa

Bad:
Butler loses to LSU
Creighton loses to George Washington
Creighton loses to San Diego St.
Seton Hall loses to Fairleigh Dickinson
Xavier loses to USC
Xavier loses to Tennessee
St. John's loses to Penn State
Marquette loses to San Diego St.

Ho Hum:
PC loses to Kentucky
St. John's beats Georgia Tech
DePaul beats Oregano State
Butler loses to Okie State


For the life of me, I can't understand why people put such stock in the mid to bottom of the BE with PC and Seton Hall and the like. Who cares? So what that they might be better than UCF and USF? Both these conferences suck at that level. Look at the top.

I'll be willing to bet that Memphis, UConn, and Cincy will all have better seasons than Creighton, Marquette and Villanova.
 
Upstater,

You can't use UConn in the comparison of the AAC to the Big East if we are debating which is the better home for UConn. If UConn was in the BIg East right now, that league would be really doing well.

The bottom being as bad as it is does matter. That is a lot of home and home games against team ranked worse than 150 or even 200.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Upstater,

You can't use UConn in the comparison of the AAC to the Big East if we are debating which is the better home for UConn. If UConn was in the BIg East right now, that league would be really doing well.

The bottom being as bad as it is does matter. That is a lot of home and home games against team ranked worse than 150 or even 200.
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Silly argument since I am not debating which conference is better for UConn. The very idea of UConn in the BE is farcical. UConn needs Cincy, Memphis and SMU to be strong. The rest is all meaningless. The BE can fade into obscurity on Fox as its teams fall out of the top 25. For UConn, they need 4 other teams to play well in the AAC. End stop.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Herbst made a decision to chase the exit fees instead of do what was best long-term for the university's athletic program. There is little to no evidence to show that the AAC has been a good move for UConn, even when compared to options like splitting the football and basketball conferences. .
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Aiming for the Big Ten is what is in the best long-term interest of the university's athletic program. Almost everyone else except you is capable of thinking longer term than just the year after next.
 
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