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Rothstein: St. John’s/UConn is college basketball’s burgeoning rivalry.

dennismenace said:
Not really. When KO was coach they pretty much kicked our a$$es. Pitino full court pressure and Peyton Siva driving right down the lane. Very bad memories.
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that was just one year - what about 2005 through 2012 with Calhoun/Pitino?
 
This is a short term thing. Unless you believe a school that couldn’t get anyone to take the job a few years ago is going to replace a hall of famer with another guy who is equal. If you think that, I suggest you look at the experiences of Villanova, Syracuse, North Carolina, UConn. All had way more going for them than St John’s and none had long term success with their replacements for legendary coaches. There is a reason why Calhoun, Boeheim, Williams, and Wright are in the hall of fame.

I know Connecticut fans get all gooshy about Madison Square Garden, for reasons I don’t understand even after living here for 50 years, but that isn’t the case in the rest of the world. MSG isn’t getting a coach.
 
John said:
that was just one year - what about 2005 through 2012 with Calhoun/Pitino?
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Pretty sure Pitino got the better of JC when he was at BU and PC as well.
 
Waquoit said:
Pretty sure Pitino got the better of JC when he was at BU and PC as well.
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Yep... When you Google it, AI said Pitino was 9-0 vs JC when RP was at BU and PC. The #'s don't completely add up, so I don't know if that's accurate.

RP is a giant tool. But he's easily one of the best coaches ever. I love that he's made St. John's into a thing, I love that they are right down the road, and I love that at least for a few years we can have, hopefully, some epic top 10 BE basketball matchups again.
 
They purchased a good roster. In their top 10 players how many are bought vs recruited as freshman (yes I know they get NIL) compared to us?
 
boog204 said:
Yep... When you Google it, AI said Pitino was 9-0 vs JC when RP was at BU and PC. The #'s don't completely add up, so I don't know if that's accurate.

RP is a giant tool. But he's easily one of the best coaches ever. I love that he's made St. John's into a thing, I love that they are right down the road, and I love that at least for a few years we can have, hopefully, some epic top 10 BE basketball matchups again.
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In a kind of a strange way I agree that Rick will be the malevolent arch villain that will tempt everyone who has high blood pressure. And I hope it goes on with Dan Hurley and RP for years. My favorite villain as a coach was John Thompson. He was an intimidator that seemed to always get the better of the refereeing for his team or so it seemed to me. Georgetown and RP teams were never an easy game but when you beat them it is so much more satisfying. Boeheim was just a whiner who always looked like he just sucked a lemon. But RP and JT; they could make your blood boil.
 
freescooter said:
Do you really care come March whether the team is largely portal guys or recruits? I sure don’t
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He is something I never thought I'd say, I'm 100% with you scoot. It doesn't matter how you put your team together. Just win, baby.
 
freescooter said:
Do you really care come March whether the team is largely portal guys or recruits? I sure don’t
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Well yes and here’s why. It feels more right.
Doing it with say 1/2 the players developed from scratch in your own program the way UConn is doing rather than all hired guns just feels better.
Maybe someday our entire team is done that way but honestly I hope not. And I think a poll of our fans would reflect that.
 
jibsey said:
Well yes and here’s why. It feels more right.
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I agree but you can't live in the past. I remember when UConn won the soccer title and woofed that they were "America's Team", no International players! So what? It didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now. They won is what mattered. Back when Dom had us in the gutter while BCU was going to the dance with all Connecticut players we were told "those guys couldn't get into UConn" like it was a point of pride. It wasn't, it was a point of embarrassment. Now BCU loses all the time saying they can't get players in. You wanna trade with them because of the feelz? For your team to win, they need to play by the current rules. If some fans can't get behind that, it's on them.
 
Waquoit said:
I agree but you can't live in the past. I remember when UConn won the soccer title and woofed that they were "America's Team", no International players! So what? It didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now. They won is what mattered. Back when Dom had us in the gutter while BCU was going to the dance with all Connecticut players we were told "those guys couldn't get into UConn" like it was a point of pride. It wasn't, it was a point of embarrassment. Now BCU loses all the time saying they can't get players in. You wanna trade with them because of the feelz? For your team to win, they need to play by the current rules. If some fans can't get behind that, it's on them.
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I didn’t say it wouldn’t happen. Hurley is going to get the best talent he can latch his hands onto. There are superstar kids coming up every year like Mullins who can contribute right away and Hurley will go get them, and that is great. If we can get some of them every year and then the best portal transfers isn’t that good?
Pitino has to completely indoctrinate his entire roster. Sounds like a pain in the ass because honestly Reed and Stew, Alex and Ross have a head start on how our offense and defense works which will help the new guys integrate.
 
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