Rothstein: St. John’s/UConn is college basketball’s burgeoning rivalry. | Page 5 | The Boneyard

Rothstein: St. John’s/UConn is college basketball’s burgeoning rivalry.

Anyone else not buying the so called "hostility" between the programs and its head coaches? Pitino is a salesman and a bit of percieved bad blood between him and Hurley he knows is good for business. Hurley knows this and is going to shrewdly play along because he knows this can be useful.
Nobody believes any of this crap; well one person keeps attempting to claim there is a rivalry where no rivalry exists......
 
Nobody believes any of this crap; well one person keeps attempting to claim there is a rivalry where no rivalry exists......
Boeheim_Nose_Pick.0.0.jpeg
 
Webster definition
competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.

This is a rivalry. Let’s get off our high horses and stop over indexing in the past. It’s lame.
So if DePaul starts being good again for the first time since Terry Cummings left for the NBA we will be rivals we ith them?

As our objective in the field of men's D-1 basketball is to compete for the national championship, another are quite a few other programs who realistically have the same objective, we evidently have rivalries with half of the SEC, nearly half of the B1G, a third of the B-12 a quarter of the ACC and a couple BE schools. I guess we have about forty or so rivalries. The school should do a better job of advertising this, it may improve our perception nationally.

We don't have a rival. Super John is being childish by claiming I believe Syracuse is a rival. They were for a good stretch but that has been gone for a while. Nothing has replaced that (we still spend more time poking fun at that school and their fan base than the entirety of the BE combined) and it would take a whole lot more than whatever success Pitino can bring to St John's in the half dozen or so seasons he ends up running the show there.

They will disappear from our radar the second they return to where they were in 2021-2023. That doesn't happen in a rivalry.
 
So if DePaul starts being good again for the first time since Terry Cummings left for the NBA we will be rivals we ith them?

As our objective in the field of men's D-1 basketball is to compete for the national championship, another are quite a few other programs who realistically have the same objective, we evidently have rivalries with half of the SEC, nearly half of the B1G, a third of the B-12 a quarter of the ACC and a couple BE schools. I guess we have about forty or so rivalries. The school should do a better job of advertising this, it may improve our perception nationally.

We don't have a rival. Super John is being childish by claiming I believe Syracuse is a rival. They were for a good stretch but that has been gone for a while. Nothing has replaced that (we still spend more time poking fun at that school and their fan base than the entirety of the BE combined) and it would take a whole lot more than whatever success Pitino can bring to St John's in the half dozen or so seasons he ends up running the show there.

They will disappear from our radar the second they return to where they were in 2021-2023. That doesn't happen in a rivalry.
If DePaul hires a Hof coach, moved to within 2.5 hours, had an arena that we claimed as ours, had a massive backer to build talented teams, had 40 years of league history with us where they were once the dominant team, yeah they would.

It’s a rivalry. Rothstein - objective. UConn past over indexers, not.
 
If DePaul hires a Hof coach, moved to within 2.5 hours, had an arena that we claimed as ours, had a massive backer to build talented teams, had 40 years of league history with us where they were once the dominant team, yeah they would.

It’s a rivalry. Rothstein - objective. UConn past over indexers, not.
Past over indexers, what does that even mean? We're not UCLA or Indiana. We have national title winning players on the current roster.
 
I think some folks need to look up “burgeoning.”

Also, what make the concept of a rivalry so enticing is MSG. If the Johnnies are good and we play them at the garden, there are about equal numbers of each team’s fans in a sold out arena. In a typical home game if the visitors score or go on a run, the place gets quiet. Not the case here, as half the place is always going wild no matter what team is scoring/going in a run.

Attended the 99 game in the garden when St John’s was a top ten team (Eric Barkley, Ron Artest (Meta World Peace), Bootsie Thornton) and we we’re either 1 or 2. Was as wild and electric as any game I’ve been to.
 
Past over indexers, what does that even mean? We're not UCLA or Indiana. We have national title winning players on the current roster.
Past meaning we need this longstanding historic winner to qualify as our rival. As if they aren’t good enough to meet our standards. Rivals aren’t one size fits all. In the current they 1000% a rival.

The juice when we play them the next couple years will absolutely be that of a rivalry.
 
Between Fairfield CTY, NYC, NJ and Long Island there are enormous numbers of Uconn and SJ alumni. As long as we both have very good teams this is a very big plus for both schools and the MSG/ Big East connection. SJ's has 15,000 students which is large by Big East standards so another good reason for the NYC exposure. Wondering if this is also going to help bring about more disciplined HS/AAU players and teams in the area as well as some of the other inner cities in the conference. With the spotlight on the toughness of SJ and Uconn programs if might help in this regard.
 
Past meaning we need this longstanding historic winner to qualify as our rival. As if they aren’t good enough to meet our standards. Rivals aren’t one size fits all. In the current they 1000% a rival.

The juice when we play them the next couple years will absolutely be that of a rivalry.
Was Louisville our rival back in the good old days?
 
Was Louisville our rival back in the good old days?
Not really, as we had other teams considered rivals in that time frame. They’re also not local or a historic BE team. It’s hard to call multiple teams your rival, and we had Cuse/Pitt in that period.

I would definitely have called Pitt a rival in that 5-6 year stretch.
 
Lol, Rothstein is a puffer. He blows a lot of smoke about a lot of things.
Not sure there is a more knowledgeable college hoops guy out there. You call it puff I call it passionate, borderline nuts.
 
Not sure there is a more knowledgeable college hoops guy out there. You call it puff I call it passionate, borderline nuts.
Give a listen to his team by team reports as the season starts up next. He puffs every team up. That's just his brand. So it's no surprise. He uses hyperbole about what should be some good games next year.
 
Give a listen to his team by team reports as the season starts up next. He puffs every team up. That's just his brand. So it's no surprise. He uses hyperbole about what should be some good games next year.
I recall him being pretty critical of us after seeing a summer practice last year. I’m not sure I call it hyperbole as much as he focuses on the good stuff.
 
So if DePaul starts being good again for the first time since Terry Cummings left for the NBA we will be rivals we ith them?

As our objective in the field of men's D-1 basketball is to compete for the national championship, another are quite a few other programs who realistically have the same objective, we evidently have rivalries with half of the SEC, nearly half of the B1G, a third of the B-12 a quarter of the ACC and a couple BE schools. I guess we have about forty or so rivalries. The school should do a better job of advertising this, it may improve our perception nationally.

We don't have a rival. Super John is being childish by claiming I believe Syracuse is a rival. They were for a good stretch but that has been gone for a while. Nothing has replaced that (we still spend more time poking fun at that school and their fan base than the entirety of the BE combined) and it would take a whole lot more than whatever success Pitino can bring to St John's in the half dozen or so seasons he ends up running the show there.

They will disappear from our radar the second they return to where they were in 2021-2023. That doesn't happen in a rivalry.
You’re making assumptions here. Pitino probably has 4-5 years with Repole behind him and NYC/MSG, and he’ll build that brand up to the point where they should have great momentum and be able to attract a solid coach. As we saw with Nova, you’re only as good as your coach. Where would we be without Hurley? Sure they may drop back down, but also a decent chance they maintain form with the right coach. Of all the conference teams, they easily have the best chance of maintaining rivalry status. Shaka is on a descending pattern with his ignorance to the portal, McDermott already has his successor flagged, both are also non historic mid west BE teams. I’m not a buyer of Willard. I’d embrace it, makes sports so much better and brings eyes to the BE.
 
You’re making assumptions here. Pitino probably has 4-5 years with Repole behind him and NYC/MSG, and he’ll build that brand up to the point where they should have great momentum and be able to attract a solid coach. As we saw with Nova, you’re only as good as your coach. Where would we be without Hurley? Sure they may drop back down, but also a decent chance they maintain form with the right coach. Of all the conference teams, they easily have the best chance of maintaining rivalry status. Shaka is on a descending pattern with his ignorance to the portal, McDermott already has his successor flagged, both are also non historic mid west BE teams. I’m not a buyer of Willard. I’d embrace it, makes sports so much better and brings eyes to the BE.
I don't think Creighton is going anywhere, McDermott created a really good program, they have the resources, and a rabid fanbase. Willard will make Nova good again. Not sure they'll be championship level under him but the guy can recruit and Nova has all the resources and the fanbase. Shaka better snap out of it, he's going against the tide and it's not going to work out for him unless he changes.
 
I think some folks need to look up “burgeoning.”

Also, what make the concept of a rivalry so enticing is MSG. If the Johnnies are good and we play them at the garden, there are about equal numbers of each team’s fans in a sold out arena. In a typical home game if the visitors score or go on a run, the place gets quiet. Not the case here, as half the place is always going wild no matter what team is scoring/going in a run.

Attended the 99 game in the garden when St John’s was a top ten team (Eric Barkley, Ron Artest (Meta World Peace), Bootsie Thornton) and we we’re either 1 or 2. Was as wild and electric as any game I’ve been to.
There hasn't been a problem getting our road matchups against St John's at the Garden. I'll wager heavily that it's been far more than thirty years since we played a game at Carnesecca. We don't need anything from them.

You’re making assumptions here. Pitino probably has 4-5 years with Repole behind him and NYC/MSG, and he’ll build that brand up to the point where they should have great momentum and be able to attract a solid coach. As we saw with Nova, you’re only as good as your coach. Where would we be without Hurley? Sure they may drop back down, but also a decent chance they maintain form with the right coach. Of all the conference teams, they easily have the best chance of maintaining rivalry status. Shaka is on a descending pattern with his ignorance to the portal, McDermott already has his successor flagged, both are also non historic mid west BE teams. I’m not a buyer of Willard. I’d embrace it, makes sports so much better and brings eyes to the BE.
They had momentum when Louie retired. Look around the landscape in our conference and every other conference. Finding a quality replacement is not easy. I can list a ton of schools (starting with St John's) that failed miserably, more than once.

It is a far safer assumption to believe that whoever follows Pitino will drop the performance level slightly to considerably than to believe that once Rick hangs it up they'll continue at the same level.

Case in point 1 is Louisville once he was gone. You can look further in his past as a college coach and find a lot of the same.
 
There hasn't been a problem getting our road matchups against St John's at the Garden. I'll wager heavily that it's been far more than thirty years since we played a game at Carnesecca. We don't need anything from them.


They had momentum when Louie retired. Look around the landscape in our conference and every other conference. Finding a quality replacement is not easy. I can list a ton of schools (starting with St John's) that failed miserably, more than once.

It is a far safer assumption to believe that whoever follows Pitino will drop the performance level slightly to considerably than to believe that once Rick hangs it up they'll continue at the same level.

Case in point 1 is Louisville once he was gone. You can look further in his past as a college coach and find a lot of the same.
Did NIL exist back then? Did Mike Repole matter then? I think you’re missing a key variable. They’ll be able to attract a top coach if that coach knows he can buy a great roster. I agree anything behind Pitino will be a drop, but StJ will also be well positioned to attract a good coach. In that same time frame Hurley could be off to the NBA. Nothing in the future is guaranteed.
 
Did NIL exist back then? Did Mike Repole matter then? I think you’re missing a key variable. They’ll be able to attract a top coach if that coach knows he can buy a great roster. I agree anything behind Pitino will be a drop, but StJ will also be well positioned to attract a good coach. In that same time frame Hurley could be off to the NBA. Nothing in the future is guaranteed.
The bolded part is the first correct thing that you've written in a while.

Indiana has had resources and history that few could match and they have done little in terms of finding a replacement for Bobby Knight.

It took Kentucky doing something that a few years earlier they publicly stated they would never do (hire Calipari) to get the program back to high a level after the program fell off a cliff under Tubby Smith.

Yes, there are a different set if rules nie and because of Repole St John's can compete with the top few schools in what they can offer re recruits, but there have always been a number of schools that could offer as much as anyone that for any of a number of reasons still always fell short.

I'll believe that St John's will succeed in replacing Pitino when I see it.
 
The bolded part is the first correct thing that you've written in a while.

Indiana has had resources and history that few could match and they have done little in terms of finding a replacement for Bobby Knight.

It took Kentucky doing something that a few years earlier they publicly stated they would never do (hire Calipari) to get the program back to high a level after the program fell off a cliff under Tubby Smith.

Yes, there are a different set if rules nie and because of Repole St John's can compete with the top few schools in what they can offer re recruits, but there have always been a number of schools that could offer as much as anyone that for any of a number of reasons still always fell short.

I'll believe that St John's will succeed in replacing Pitino when I see it.
lol - ok dude. Go to bed. Doofus’ like you is what makes this board a pile of tribal nonsense. Have you actually ever played a sport?

Please stop comparing today to 30 years ago - you’ll gain cred when you start there. Evolve brother. The world is changing. If you can’t have a healthy discussion and disagree without insulting someone then you’re just ignorant.
 
Last edited:
lol - ok dude. Go to bed. Doofus’ like you is what makes this board a pile of tribal nonsense. Have you actually ever played a sport?

Please stop comparing today to 30 years ago - you’ll gain cred when you start there. Evolve brother. The world is changing. If you can’t have a healthy discussion and disagree without insulting someone then you’re just ignorant.
LOL.

Yeah, I'm the problem

Historically it has been beyond rare forc a school to successfully replace a head coach that has taken their program to higher levels than they had seen for a very long time (if ever) once that coach leaves (regardless of the reason he left) yet you believe St John's will be able to do this easily because, oh it is now a new time.

I get it, you want to believe with all of your heart that St John's is a rivalry and that for the next twenty five to thirty years these games will matter at a level beyond current season conference standings. You cannot will that into existence.

I love how you claim that I am the one throwing insults but as you've displayed countless times on many threads the past six months, you are still so young that you believe you know everything.
 
Was Louisville our rival back in the good old days?
Not really. When KO was coach they pretty much kicked our a$$es. Pitino full court pressure and Peyton Siva driving right down the lane. Very bad memories.
 

Online statistics

Members online
223
Guests online
2,148
Total visitors
2,371

Forum statistics

Threads
163,953
Messages
4,376,563
Members
10,168
Latest member
CTFan142


.
..
Top Bottom