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Imo, we need to sit tight until this new AAC TV Deal comes. If it is P5 type money, we should stay. If it's not, and no P5 bid seems to be on horizon, then we begin to have these discussions seriously.
 
Wordbomar said:
Imo, we need to sit tight until this new AAC TV Deal comes. If it is P5 type money, we should stay. If it's not, and no P5 bid seems to be on horizon, then we begin to have these discussions seriously.
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Define "P5 type money."

Because if you're thinking ACC money, we ain't getting that.
 
uconngb said:
I couldnt care less about other sports, I care about Uconn men's basketball. And in terms of comparing teams, someone said they would take Temple over the BE's 7th team. Based on what? The BE is pretty solid 1-7, definitely more solid than the AAC, and that's assuming you put Georgetown and St Johns in the bottom 3, both of which have more history than anyone in the AAC save for a couple teams.
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Let's compare.. (to see just how solid they are) Bear in mind that college sports is entirely a coach driven business (Just by moving Coach A - like Dixon from Pitt to TCU - suddenly Program B (TCU) has a program.

So, who are the coaches in the NBE...

1. Jay Wright
2. Chris Mack
3. Ed Cooley
4. Greg McDermott
5. Steve Wojciechowski
6. Dave Leitao
7. LaVall Jordan
8. Chris Mullin
9. Patrick Ewing
10. Kevin Willard

And, how do they stack up, vs...

1. Kevin Ollie
2. Gregg Marshall
3. Tubby Smith
4. Jeff Lebo
5. Kelvin Sampson
6. Mick Cronin
7. Mike Dunleavy
8. Johnny Dawkins
9. Tim Jankovich
10. Brian Gregory
11. Frank Haith
12. Fran Dunphy

I don't think its a contest when you talk about coaching ability/IQ. The NBE is hiring all their former players instead of looking for the most legit basketball brains.

If you believe that Georgetown with Ewing as coach is in the same universe (stratosphere) as it was when he was a player in the 80s then you are a fool. Their recruiting has devolved since even Jt3 was canned.

As for the individual teams, the programs in the AAC have more national championships/final fours/ etc as well.

The NBE has more recent success. That's it. And that advantage is rooted in the fact that the American took over some programs that needed to be upgraded. That upgrade has worked out very nicely at SMU (Jank) and UCF (Dawkins). SMU has been a tourney regular and UCF will be starting this year when an influx of transfers (including future NBAer Aubrey Dawkins) supplement the core of BJ and Tacko that made the NIT Final Four. Frankly, I've enjoyed watching the process of how the conference has been built, and has grown. College sports is 100% coach driven.

Hiring all those rubes will tank the NBE's bids. You don't replace a Chris Holtmann with an 11 win coach and not fall off. It will be an interesting experiment because they chose their expansion candidates on proven success and their coaches on a COMPLETELY different metric.

I appreciate all the sports.

AAC Football has 3 teams in the Top 25 right now, and I'll cheer them on just as I would if UConn were one of the three. Sorry if you can't relate to that.

I want Randy to get into that discussion so bad... Just as much as I want the 5th National Championship.
 
JSB60 said:
If I thought the P5 would take UCONN, I'd say stay in the AAC. Since I don't, Big East all the way. Better basketball conference, more teams I care about playing, and it's where UCONN has always belonged. I'm agnostic about the football question, I think the sport could decline faster than many people think, but then again it might not. But as long as football is king, UCONN isn't getting a P5 bid. If it goes away, no problem being in the Big East anyway.
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Maybe it's no problem for you to be in the NBE but it certainly is for me and I'm sure a lot of other fans also. Why can't people be fans of UConn Sports rather than a fan of basketball only or football only?

Besisides I hate the NBE.
 
Guapo said:
@shizzle787 I like you.

However, as I've mentioned here before, anyone who thinks college football is dying within the next 10 years has not spent many autumn Saturdays outside the northeast.

Not saying football is ethically right or wrong, I'm just stating fact.

I really think people here have trouble fully grasping just how MASSIVE of a deal college football is in the South and parts of the Midwest.
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Ten years is the wrong time frame. But it is dying. Because no one will insure football players from head injuries, and lawsuits from injured football players will become easier and easier.

From what I know from trustees, it may die at the non-Division 1 level in a relatively short time frame. The big boys will hold out longer but eventually it will happen.
 
businesslawyer said:
Ten years is the wrong time frame. But it is dying. Because no one will insure football players from head injuries, and lawsuits from injured football players will become easier and easier.

From what I know from trustees, it may die at the non-Division 1 level in a relatively short time frame. The big boys will hold out longer but eventually it will happen.
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I can agree with that.

But I'm thinking it's much closer to a 30-50 year time frame than 10 years for the big boys.

It'll be generational, not overnight.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Ten years is the wrong time frame. But it is dying. Because no one will insure football players from head injuries, and lawsuits from injured football players will become easier and easier.

From what I know from trustees, it may die at the non-Division 1 level in a relatively short time frame. The big boys will hold out longer but eventually it will happen.
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@shizzle787 is correct that studies and technology will be able to detect CTE on the living. This will only increase the liability factor. I think his 5 year time frame is too conservative.

OTOH there are helmets being designed which look promising in limiting if not eliminating concussions.

OTOOH soccer is becoming popular in this country to the point that viewership and participation could impact football.

College sports, like everything today, has a lot of uncertainty. It will be interesting to see if there is further erosion of ESPN subscriptions and how that impacts media coverage and conference contracts. My thinking is the P5 ends up as a P6 with 120 or so teams in order to consolidate basketball distributions in a similar manner that took place in football. That's the next best play for a money grab if my uninformed conjecture is correct that media monies to conferences might have peaked.
 
Guapo said:
Define "P5 type money."

Because if you're thinking ACC money, we ain't getting that.
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We are not even getting our last contract. "TV contracts" are experiencing a paradigm shift. Why do you think the Biggies are all trying to get into their own networks?
 
August_West said:
We are not even getting our last contract. "TV contracts" are experiencing a paradigm shift. Why do you think the Biggies are all trying to get into their own networks?
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The Longhorn Network along with the contraction in ESPN subscribers are the tale for how things play out imo.
 
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chiller99.5 said:
The football program is at least another head coach away from being "attractive" and attendance pretty much proves that point.
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WingU-Conn said:
We haven't had a winning season since 2010-11, the only thing attendance proves is that we haven't been good for a long time.
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chiller99.5 said:
thanks Capt Obvious
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There aren't enough face palms on the internet for your response.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
@shizzle787 is correct that studies and technology will be able to detect CTE on the living. This will only increase the liability factor. I think his 5 year time frame is too conservative.

OTOH there are helmets being designed which look promising in limiting if not eliminating concussions.

OTOOH soccer is becoming popular in this country to the point that viewership and participation could impact football.

College sports, like everything today, has a lot of uncertainty. It will be interesting to see if there is further erosion of ESPN subscriptions and how that impacts media coverage and conference contracts. My thinking is the P5 ends up as a P6 with 120 or so teams in order to consolidate basketball distributions in a similar manner that took place in football. That's the next best play for a money grab if my uninformed conjecture is correct that media monies to conferences might have peaked.
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The idea that helmets are being developed that will protect against concussions is mostly wishful thinking and not achievable. You have to imagine your brain as a bowl of jello in a glass dish (the Jello representing your brain the glass dish is your skull). If you put a helmet (some type of protection) on the glass dish and drop it, the helmet will prevent the glass from breaking, but does not protect the brain from rapidly accelerating and then stopping inside the skull.

use the same jello dish, put protection on it, and shake it back and forth. There is no impact on the glass so the helmet adds no protection, but the jello inside is completely destroyed. The same happens to your brain.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
The idea that helmets are being developed that will protect against concussions is mostly wishful thinking and not achievable. You have to imagine your brain as a bowl of jello in a glass dish (the Jello representing your brain the glass dish is your skull). If you put a helmet (some type of protection) on the glass dish and drop it, the helmet will prevent the glass from breaking, but does not protect the brain from rapidly accelerating and then stopping inside the skull.

use the same jello dish, put protection on it, and shake it back and forth. There is no impact on the glass so the helmet adds no protection, but the jello inside is completely destroyed. The same happens to your brain.
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It doesn't take much imagination to believe something like your description has taken place to most of the people in the Boneyard.
 
Only on the boneyard is it a foregone conclusion that the P5 will branch off and kill march madness as we know it, yet football itself is in no real danger because people from the south like it. I'm not even dismissing the possibility, I'm more baffled by how definitive people are when they talk about it. This is the only place where I have even heard this stuff and it has been going on for five years at least with not much evidence that things are moving too quickly towards a resolution. It's one of those things that gets repeated so often that it just gets accepted as fact, and it's a convenient excuse for UConn fans to break out when it comes to assessing the status of our athletic program.

I'm fine with staying in on football. We're seeing some signs of life now from the program and we're actually in a really good league overall for both football and basketball. People are uncomfortable acknowledging that what's best for the football program might not be what's best for the basketball program so they conceive these extreme end games where one can't exist without the other. But it's a small sacrifice for the basketball program to play in the AAC as opposed to the Big East, at least for now. I don't have a problem acknowledging that even as somebody who doesn't really care a ton about UConn football in the grand scheme.
 
What will be interesting is if the SEC and Pac-12 go to 20. Then there will be more momentum for the Big 12 to expand. Time for us to get really good at football.
 
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