Roscoe Watch

[Fishy]

Honestly, I feel like prank-calling Calhoun's house right now.

Smith is grabbing every rebound within 25 miles of Las Vegas and we had to jackass him around two year years ago.

Egads, what a mistake. Smith has more rebounds tonight than any Husky, save Bazz, has for the entire year.

 

[aceboon]

Yea, forget even AO, JC had Tyler out there gobbling up minutes at PF that should've went to Roscoe. Dude looks like a complete animal out there. This is a great game btw, alot of action going on. If ya'll have never seen Carson because he plays on the west coast, he's worth staying up for.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Except, wait a minute, I thought he wanted to go showcase his perimeter abilities. Are you telling me he went to UNLV, and sat out a year, only to wind up playing the exact same position he would have played for us? Who ever saw that coming?

 

[Fishy]

Calhoun had a bad habit in the last few years of opting for security blankets at times - Gavin Edwards and Tyler Olander were two largely limited players who got more minutes than they would have if they'd shown up ten years earlier.

That Tyler got almost 18 minutes a game that season was just nuts - our penance for that bit of idiocy is watching Roscoe Smith collect basketballs like he thinks they're made of gold.

 

[Fishy]

Except, wait a minute, I thought he wanted to go showcase his perimeter abilities. Are you telling me he went to UNLV, and sat out a year, only to wind up playing the exact same position he would have played for us? Who ever saw that coming?

He left because he got dicked around and UConn was heading for NCAA's black hole.

 

[bobbygt]

Every time by browser refreshes, Roscoe has another rebound.

 

[BUHusky]

Wow, Roscoe looks like a full grown man out there grabbing everything in sight. Good on him.

Also, I know this is his 4th year in college (3rd year playing), but damn, he's put on a lot of muscle over the last 18 months since we last saw him at UConn. Thing is, he's not the first transfer to leave UConn and then completely re-transform their body at their new school. Has Ollie brought in a new strength and conditioning guy? Because whoever Calhoun was using his last few years wasn't really doing a great job.

 

[Fishy]

Roscoe has 18 points and 21 rebounds.

Any motherf---er who tries to explain that away will get banned for the rest of time.

Oh, and, ah, that Jahii Carson is plain ridiculous - he's just smoking UNLV.

 

[aceboon]

Wow, Roscoe looks like a full grown man out there grabbing everything in sight. Good on him.

Also, I know this is his 4th year in college (3rd year playing), but damn, he's put on a lot of muscle over the last 18 months since we last saw him at UConn. Thing is, he's not the first transfer to leave UConn and then completely re-transform their body at their new school. Has Ollie brought in a new strength and conditioning guy? Because whoever Calhoun was using his last few years wasn't really doing a great job.

I'm pretty sure they now have someone that was brought in from the University of Alabama, and yea, the S&T coach for Mizzou immediately going to work on AO's body when he got there wasn't a good look for the methods that were being used here.

 

[champs99and04]

43 f'in rebounds in two games. Daniels, Nolan, Brimah, and Olander have combined for 35 rebounds all season. Not only would he pretty much eradicate our rebounding woes, but he could also bang on the block with stronger fours in ways that Giffey and Olander cannot. We have an elite offense right now; if Roscoe were here, we'd have an elite defense, too. Imagine how ridiculously stingy a Napier-Giffey-Daniels-Smith-Brimah lineup would have been. Sigh.

 

[superjohn]

He left because he got dicked around and UConn was heading for NCAA's black hole.

Roscoe is tearing it up and we sure could use his rebounding but I don't understand how Calhoun dicked him around, was Oriakhi dicked around as well?

 

[Gurleyman]

Roscoe is tearing it up and we sure could use his rebounding but I don't understand how Calhoun dicked him around, was Oriakhi dicked around as well?

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/game15.html

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2011-2012/game16.html

 

[selles]

Roscoe is tearing it up and we sure could use his rebounding but I don't understand how Calhoun dicked him around, was Oriakhi dicked around as well?

Both were dicked around, primarily thanks to the late addition of Drummond. But DD wouldn't be DD without their leaving. Roscoe would not be playing the 5, so I'm not sure why folks think he'd be a huge upgrade. Me, I'm confident going to war with Deandre at the 4.

 

[mauconnfan]

Both were dicked around because they moped, sucked and were crappy players here 2 years ago - pretty simple. You tend to get "dicked around" when you play crappy too at most places. Whoever this Roscoe is conograts to him and I wish he had the balls to be that guy 2 years ago instead opting to be a "3" who can't shoot, dribble or pass!!

Love the Monday morning QB's......

Having said my piece his rebounding would be more than welcome. But he wasn't doing that coming out of the gate 2 years ago. Birch also had 14 rebounds from UNLV...........we recruited him too. Good story on Roscoe NOW and I hope both guys are happy as they probably will have a tough time finding the NIT this year..........

 

[upstater]

43 f'in rebounds in two games. Daniels, Nolan, Brimah, and Olander have combined for 35 rebounds all season. Not only would he pretty much eradicate our rebounding woes, but he could also bang on the block with stronger fours in ways that Giffey and Olander cannot. We have an elite offense right now; if Roscoe were here, we'd have an elite defense, too. Imagine how ridiculously stingy a Napier-Giffey-Daniels-Smith-Brimah lineup would have been. Sigh.

Roscoe as a freshman was already a key defensive player. He was spectacular in the final 4, esp. the championship game.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Calhoun had a bad habit in the last few years of opting for security blankets at times - Gavin Edwards and Tyler Olander were two largely limited players who got more minutes than they would have if they'd shown up ten years earlier.

That Tyler got almost 18 minutes a game that season was just nuts - our penance for that bit of idiocy is watching Roscoe Smith collect basketballs like he thinks they're made of gold.

In fairness, Roscoe and Olander put up virtually the exact same numbers in every statistical category that year. My recollection is that both Olander and Daniels got off to pretty good starts and outplayed Roscoe during the cupcake portion of the schedule. Over time, it became apparent that those two were overmatched and they worked themselves out of the rotation, with Roscoe being the main beneficiary. He played a lot more down the stretch, culminating with 33 minutes against Iowa State.

That was such a weird team in 2011-2012. One of the most talented rosters we've ever had, but every single guy seemed like he was a year away. As a result, we had 2 or 3-way competitions at certain positions (especially the 3 and 4) and it took awhile to figure out who our best players were. Eventually it became obvious that our best lineup included Napier, Boatright, and Lamb playing together (with Drummond at the 5), leaving one spot to be shared among Roscoe, Oriakhi, Olander, Giffey, and Daniels. In hindsight, it isn't all that surprising that certain guys were unhappy.

 

[Palatine]

In fairness, Roscoe and Olander put up virtually the exact same numbers in every statistical category that year. My recollection is that both Olander and Daniels got off to pretty good starts and outplayed Roscoe during the cupcake portion of the schedule. Over time, it became apaprent that those two were overmatched and they worked themselves out of the rotation, with Roscoe being the main beneficiary. He played a lot more down the stretch, culminating with 33 minutes against Iowa State.

That was such a weird team in 2011-2012. One of the most talented rosters we've ever had, but every single guy seemed like he was a year away. As a result, we had 2 or 3-way competitions at certain positions (especially the 3 and 4) and it took awhile to figure out who our best players were. Eventually it became obvious that our best lineup included Napier, Boatright, and Lamb playing together (with Drummond at the 5), leaving one spot to be shared among Roscoe, Oriakhi, Olander, Giffey, and Daniels. In hindsight, it isn't all that surprising that certain guys were unhappy.

The problem that year was AO played like crap. He was a perfect 4. But he couldn't make a one footer or grab a rebound. He should have been a double-double machine. If he was we would have been back in the final four.

 

[champs99and04]

Roscoe as a freshman was already a key defensive player. He was spectacular in the final 4, esp. the championship game.

Yup. He was one of the most versatile defensive players we ever had under Calhoun. There was nobody he didn't guard during that run in 2011 - he guarded Kawhi Leonard, Derrick Williams, Terrence Jones, and Matt Howard with high degrees of success. Hell, even in the 2012 tournament against Iowa State, after the disastrous Drummond on Royce White experiment ended with an emphatic thud, he was able to step in and hold him in check in the second half. You could probably make the argument that aside from Kemba and Lamb, he was our third most valuable player during that 2011 tournament run. By the time March rolled around, they had become possibly the best defense in the country, and Roscoe was probably the biggest reason for that. He was tenacious underneath - I don't think anything demonstrated that more than the black eye he suffered during the Big East Tournament. That was arguably the most iconic image from the tournament.

The tough thing to swallow is that although Roscoe was a great role player back then, he seems to have evolved into more than that now. He was a liability offensively during his time at UConn, but he always made enough savvy basket cuts and grabbed enough weak side rebounds to make you feel there was a productive offensive player in there somewhere. Needless to say, he would have been the perfect fit on this team. He could have done the dirty work inside that none of our guys, save maybe Giffey from time to time, seem to want to do. He would have reaped the benefits on the other end, too, simply because Napier is a wizard who would have been able to accentuate his strengths and neutralize his weaknesses (the lack of a refined perimeter game).

As for the "Roscoe got a raw deal his sophomore year and that's why he left" inferences I'm seeing thrown out there, I'm not really buying it. There may be some truth to the notion that he got d!cked around early in the year, but given he averaged over 27 minutes a game in his final eight games, Calhoun seemed to have admitted a mistake by the end of the season. He was also pretty much being offered a blank check of minutes his junior year, so I'm inclined to take him at his word that he left because he wanted to play small forward.

 

[Husky25]

Both were dicked around because they moped, sucked and were crappy players here 2 years ago - pretty simple. You tend to get "dicked around" when you play crappy too at most places. Whoever this Roscoe is conograts to him and I wish he had the balls to be that guy 2 years ago instead opting to be a "3" who can't shoot, dribble or pass!!

Love the Monday morning QB's......

Having said my piece his rebounding would be more than welcome. But he wasn't doing that coming out of the gate 2 years ago. Birch also had 14 rebounds from UNLV...........we recruited him too. Good story on Roscoe NOW and I hope both guys are happy as they probably will have a tough time finding the NIT this year..........

I appreciate what Smith contributed to UConn's 3rd National Championship, but he chose to exercised his right to leave UConn. As a UConn fan, I have to say that I am no longer interested in his progress except for a single stat: I want to see a 1 in the Degree column come mid-May. The best thing he can do for UConn now is to graduate and not negatively affect UConn's APR.

That said, as a basketball fan, if he keeps up these rebounding performances, the Celtics could use a rebounder in the 2nd round of next June's draft.

 

[upstater]

I appreciate what Smith contributed to UConn's 3rd National Championship, but he chose to exercised his right to leave UConn. As a UConn fan, I have to say that I am no longer interested in his progress except for a single stat: I want to see a 1 in the Degree column come mid-May. The best thing he can do for UConn now is to graduate and not negatively affect UConn's APR.

That said, as a basketball fan, if he keeps up these rebounding performances, the Celtics could use a rebounder in the 2nd round of next June's draft.

He is off UConn's books as far as academics goes. UConn gets no credit at all for his graduating.

 

[Gurleyman]

It was arguably the most iconic image from the tournament.

I agree with the rest of your post, but my avatar out-iconics anything else from 2011.

 

[Husky25]

He is off UConn's books as far as academics goes. UConn gets no credit at all for his graduating.

After watching the CenterStage with Jim Calhoun, I thought it worked differently. I was under the impression that transfers, regardless of academic standing, counted as an adjustment for both schools.

 

[upstater]

After watching the CenterStage with Jim Calhoun, I thought it worked differently. I was under the impression that transfers, regardless of academic standing, counted as an adjustment for both schools.

They do count as far as the NCAA is concerned, but not the Feds.

The new school gets credited for the graduation in the GSR. On the new school's APR, it has no impact since the APR has nothing to do with graduation.

For the old school, there is no benefit to GSR. The only benefit is for APR but that benefit ends when they leave the old school in good standing.

In other words, Roscoe did not hurt UConn's APR when he left because he was in good standing. But Roscoe also did not help UConn's APR when he left because you get 1 point for a player simply returning to school (and Roscoe didn't return). I presume that UConn was not hurt for that 1 point because he was deemed exempt.

All in all, it works out like this:

UNLV gets a plus on its GSR
UConn does not receive a plus or a minus on neither GSR nor APR

In terms of official federal rates, Oregon is NOT credited with a graduation, but it is also not docked for a failure to graduate. UConn on the other hand is docked for Roscoe's failure to graduate from UConn.

 

[Mike Honcho]

I agree with the rest of your post, but my avatar out-iconics anything else from 2011.

No question!

 

[Joobie]

I know I've said this before & I don't want to beat it to death, but Roscoe's leaving still bugs me. He told me to my face that he was staying. I'm wondering if his academics had anything to do with his sudden departure. If he was on shaky ground academically, would that have affected the APR in a negative way more than a transfer would have?