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Bunch of insufferable crying misogynistic curmudgeons.

We are a Bigtime Athletic Department. I'm respecting our opponents & I'm expecting them (even Tulane) to grow thrive & compete ... Like UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, USF & Cincy did since 2003. Look who I leave out. We can have great success with a chip on our shoulder. I want Cincy to be a "11/12" win power. Someone else. Force the old farts to keep the door open.

Only a flat Pasqualoni performance/product keeps us from ... In. And I trust Warde Manual & Susan Herbst will enforce progress at Rentschler. And grow fans instead of listening to convention in Connecticut.
 
How is travel already a headache? All the schools are very close regardless of if they are remote locations. If anything, it's the most graphically compact conference.

I'm not saying it's likely, but as far as expansion goes, until we're 100% locked out of every conference, I'm not rooting for our competition.

Lubbock, Manhattan, Ames, Stillwater, Morgantown, Waco, Lawrence.

This is not geographically compact.

Lubbock to Ames, 930 miles
Manhattan to Morgantown, 981 miles
Waco to Lawrence, 601 miles

The only decent sized cities are Norman (near Okie City), Dallas and Austin.

5 schools are in that East Texas and Oklahoma area. The other 5 schools are not close to more than 1 school.

7 tiny towns.

The trip to Morgantown alone is a pain for them.
 
Lubbock, Manhattan, Ames, Stillwater, Morgantown, Waco, Lawrence.

This is not geographically compact.

Lubbock to Ames, 930 miles
Manhattan to Morgantown, 981 miles
Waco to Lawrence, 601 miles

The only decent sized cities are Norman (near Okie City), Dallas and Austin.

5 schools are in that East Texas and Oklahoma area. The other 5 schools are not close to more than 1 school.

7 tiny towns.

The trip to Morgantown alone is a pain for them.

Compared to the other conferences that have teams from Boston to Miami, New Jersey to Nebraska, Washington to Arizona? Please.

It's a pain in the ass for WVU traveling and it would worse for us, but Big 12 teams making that trip once a year isn't going to be a mitigating factor.

Look, I hate the AAC, and i realize teams can't fall off the face of the earth, but if Cinci starts towin 6,7 games a sseason, I'm not going ti complain.
 
Compared to the other conferences that have teams from Boston to Miami, New Jersey to Nebraska, Washington to Arizona? Please.

It's a pain in the ass for WVU traveling and it would worse for us, but Big 12 teams making that trip once a year isn't going to be a mitigating factor.

Look, I hate the AAC, and i realize teams can't fall off the face of the earth, but if Cinci starts towin 6,7 games a sseason, I'm not going ti complain.

UConn is traveling to Houston, Orlando, Dallas, Philly, Memphis, Cincy, Tampa, etc.

Only Greenville is hell.

The difference between a direct flight to a big city and connecting flights to podunk-ville is immense. I can't emphasize this enough.

I'm not looking at this from UConn's perspective but the Big 12's perspective. Why would someone from Manhattan, KS or Stillwater, OK, drive far to the nearest airport, connect who knows where?, land in Bradley, drive an hour to Storrs, for a field hockey game?
 
That's what scares you? Really?
Well it is one of the things that scares me. I'd say that Cinci, USF, UCF to Big 12 is our worst case scenario, except every time I think that something even worse happens.
 
UConn is traveling to Houston, Orlando, Dallas, Philly, Memphis, Cincy, Tampa, etc.

Only Greenville is hell.

The difference between a direct flight to a big city and connecting flights to podunk-ville is immense. I can't emphasize this enough.

I'm not looking at this from UConn's perspective but the Big 12's perspective. Why would someone from Manhattan, KS or Stillwater, OK, drive far to the nearest airport, connect who knows where?, land in Bradley, drive an hour to Storrs, for a field hockey game?

Because anywhere is better than Stillwater, OK or Manhattan, KS?
 
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Well it is one of the things that scares me. I'd say that Cinci, USF, UCF to Big 12 is our worst case scenario, except every time I think that something even worse happens.

Those schools are likely for the B12 because they make sense. But, UConn is not going to be hurt at this point. None of these schools are Syracuse or Pitt or even Rutgers.
 
Those schools are likely for the B12 because they make sense. But, UConn is not going to be hurt at this point. None of these schools are Syracuse or Pitt or even Rutgers.

Draw a line through the UCF, USF and Cinci logos, and imagine who would fill those slots and ask yourself if UConn is hurt being affiliated with that conference. UConn can't afford to be passed over again. At that point the stench of death dripping off of us would be a deterrent to any other conference picking us up.
 

Draw a line through the UCF, USF and Cinci logos, and imagine who would fill those slots and ask yourself if UConn is hurt being affiliated with that conference. UConn can't afford to be passed over again. At that point the stench of death dripping off of us would be a deterrent to any other conference picking us up.

Man, UCF and USF don't do much for me. I appreciate Cincy, I do, but they are still practically CUSA.
 
UConn is traveling to Houston, Orlando, Dallas, Philly, Memphis, Cincy, Tampa, etc.

Only Greenville is hell.

The difference between a direct flight to a big city and connecting flights to podunk-ville is immense. I can't emphasize this enough.

I'm not looking at this from UConn's perspective but the Big 12's perspective. Why would someone from Manhattan, KS or Stillwater, OK, drive far to the nearest airport, connect who knows where?, land in Bradley, drive an hour to Storrs, for a field hockey game?

FYI, for Manhattan, KS, teams charter staight into the local airport. Making it much closer than Storrs to Bradley, and probably much easier than Newark to Rutgers, or Orlando to UCF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Regional_Airport

Lawrence is about an hour from the KC airport, not too bad. I've driven it several times. Waco has its own airport. So does Lubbock (hell it's even "international"). Stillwater has only a small jet airport it seems. Ames is only 30 miles from Des Moines, and it's not like there is heavy traffic as in NY or Orlando.
 
Those schools are likely for the B12 because they make sense. But, UConn is not going to be hurt at this point. None of these schools are Syracuse or Pitt or even Rutgers.

Exactly this. Adding a USF or a UCF is just back-filling for the Big XII. Do those additions really solidify the conference? Are they going to make any of the important schools want to stick around? I doubt Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas wants the football and basketball conference diluted by adding mediocre outliers. Adding such "scraps" only solidifies the image of the Big 12 as the next to be ripped apart conference (would kind of bring back that old Big East nostalgia feel to things). If the Big 12 wants to expand to 12, then expect BYU to be one of the schools. I can't imagine Big 12 expansion without them. I expect the final slot would come down to UConn and Cincy. Cincinnati has two major advantages: 1) Geography and 2) academics. Not in the sense that Cincy is a better school than UConn, but in the sense that the Big 12 has Texas Tech, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, WVU, and TCU. Adding another lower caliber academic institution is not going to really affect them.

Cincinnati is fortunately situated in a major market, while UConn is not located in the same market size. But this should not matter. The Big 12 is not going to create their own network, so markets should not matter nearly as much. UConn needs to pump up the fact that they offer a marquee basketball game between KU and UConn every year. However, Cincy has been more successful in football on a yearly basis, and that is part of the problem for us.

Address that this way: Yes, Cincy has been to two BCS bowl games, but that was with Brian Kelly, who just took ND to the BCS title game. He is a winner no matter where he plays. However, Cincy is located in Ohio, but has to compete with Ohio State for recruits. They have had success in the last few years, but with Urban Meyer recruiting, they're growth potential is not particularly strong. They have had better access and cognizance to Ohio kids for years, but were unable to dominate the Big East with big brother in Columbus. UConn on the other hand, has been to a BCS bowl game, won two Big East Titles, and has been equal to the others programs in the conference.

This, despite, 1) very poor recruiting territory, 2) competing with Big Ten/ACC programs for high-quality recruits, and 3) only having played at the highest level of college football for 10 years or so. UConn has accomplished all of this with these limitations and in so short of a time. Imagine what UConn can be with a major conference to call home?

Plus, UConn has superior academics, presence in NYC to offer, quality non-revenue sports, and better access to a student pool that is generally outside of the Big 12 footprint. UConn must pump up this critical difference: Yes, in football, the teams may be close to a wash, but UConn has the superior overall qualities (academics, basketball, NYC presence), and it is only another hour in the air to get to Bradley. And from there, 25 minutes to the Rent or the XL.
 
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they are in Florida... And in the Big12, they could get better very quickly.

So can UConn. I think this is a selling point that is never talked about. Look what UConn has accomplished in so short of a time, and consider that in light of the fact that they consistently have had the lowest recruiting rankings in the conference over that time. UConn has outperformed what they are supposed to be, and imagine what UConn can be when 1) the administration is behind the sport (look how men's basketball turned out), 2) they are replacing the Big East conference stench with a Big 12 conference veneer (and kids actually want to play in the conference), and 3) they add better academics, presence in NYC, a closer partner for WVU, a market that they alone dominate, and successful brand-name basketball, mediocre regional competition, and growth potential that the other schools cannot match. UCF/USF are never going to become the big 3 (they will never win enough recruiting battles with UF/FSU/Miami/UGA/Bama to grow that much), but UConn has the potential with the right circumstances to grow exponentially, considering there is no dominant power in its region, save possibly for Penn State.
 
B12 doesn't want to travel to new England. This is a conference composed mostly of school from teeny towns in the middle of nowhere. Travel is already a major headache for them. They are not going to compound it.

Desperation is a stinky cologne. Remember how the fear of breaking apart made the academic snobs swallow hard and appease FSU/Clemson (schools with no academic cache compared to the schools who supported UConn), and compound that concern with a GOR. If the Big 12 fears that it is going to be ripped apart, they will go for the best options to keep them together. That immediately includes BYU. The final spot goes to UConn or Cincy (at this moment anyway). UConn must pump up that they bring back some academic credibility to the conference (even though there isn't much of that to begin with), that they are a massive growth stock (10 years, horrible recruiting classes: still won two conference titles and reached the BCS, imagine what they can do in a conference kids want to play in), and are only another hour flying from Cincy. Don't let the "oh it'll never happen" line of thought screw us again (Louisville to the ACC; Rutgers to the Big 10).
 
Desperation is a stinky cologne. Remember how the fear of breaking apart made the academic snobs swallow hard and appease FSU/Clemson (schools with no academic cache compared to the schools who supported UConn), and compound that concern with a GOR. If the Big 12 fears that it is going to be ripped apart, they will go for the best options to keep them together. That immediately includes BYU. The final spot goes to UConn or Cincy (at this moment anyway). UConn must pump up that they bring back some academic credibility to the conference (even though there isn't much of that to begin with), that they are a massive growth stock (10 years, horrible recruiting classes: still won two conference titles and reached the BCS, imagine what they can do in a conference kids want to play in), and are only another hour flying from Cincy. Don't let the "oh it'll never happen" line of thought screw us again (Louisville to the ACC; Rutgers to the Big 10).

If for some unforeseen reason the B12 needs to expand, they will go for a team that makes more sense. It may be Cincy, it may be UCF. I highly doubt they will travel that far afield. I can't figure out why UConn fans are setting themselves up for this. West Virginia is squealing about travel right now, and they are several hundred miles closer.
 
FYI, for Manhattan, KS, teams charter staight into the local airport. Making it much closer than Storrs to Bradley, and probably much easier than Newark to Rutgers, or Orlando to UCF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Regional_Airport

Lawrence is about an hour from the KC airport, not too bad. I've driven it several times. Waco has its own airport. So does Lubbock (hell it's even "international"). Stillwater has only a small jet airport it seems. Ames is only 30 miles from Des Moines, and it's not like there is heavy traffic as in NY or Orlando.

Charters, eh? That's gotta hurt for field hockey.
 
Those schools are likely for the B12 because they make sense. But, UConn is not going to be hurt at this point. None of these schools are Syracuse or Pitt or even Rutgers.

So let me get this straight. UConn needs to AAC to be strong in order to be viable, yet it won't hurt losing the only remaining decent brands left. Got it.

Go Cinci, Go USF, Go UCF! Let's root them all on to a new conference while we back fill with UMass, Florida Atlantic and Southern Miss.
 
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If for some unforeseen reason the B12 needs to expand, they will go for a team that makes more sense. It may be Cincy, it may be UCF. I highly doubt they will travel that far afield. I can't figure out why UConn fans are setting themselves up for this. West Virginia is squealing about travel right now, and they are several hundred miles closer.

UConn needs to set itself up for any opportunity that comes it's way. We're going to be squealing about travelling to Tulane, Memphis, ECU, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, and SMU. At least if the opportunity to go the Big 12 came along, we would get 10x the money for it.

The overall point is probably this: UConn has let grass grow, and inferior schools take their place in line. Now, UConn is stuck in the AAC, or going to make sure it is ready to jump at the next best offer. That offer appears to be from the Big 12 if it should happen. Unless the B1G or the ACC look to expand again, that is our only viable option. Making sure that we are in position to out-work Cincinnati for that spot when it comes up is paramount for us. The country looks at Louisville as better than UConn. How is it going to feel when a school like Cincinnati or UCF is "better" too?
 
So let me get this straight. UConn needs to AAC to be strong in order to be viable, yet it won't hurt losing the only remaining decent brands left. Got it.

Go Cinci, Go USF, Go UCF! Let's root them all on to a new conference while we back fill with UMass, Florida Atlantic and Southern Miss.

Yeah, it obviously has to be strong so UConn sports won't get hurt with poor recruiting.

But you're fooling yourself if you think these teams have value. They don't. That's why UConn is making less than $2m a year.

You're confusing value with strength. Big difference. East Carolina, for instance, is a good football school. But they have little to no value. If they go, they go.

Look at Rutgers. Sky-high value. But they suck.

Don't confuse the two things.
 
UConn needs to set itself up for any opportunity that comes it's way. We're going to be squealing about travelling to Tulane, Memphis, ECU, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, and SMU. At least if the opportunity to go the Big 12 came along, we would get 10x the money for it.

The overall point is probably this: UConn has let grass grow, and inferior schools take their place in line. Now, UConn is stuck in the AAC, or going to make sure it is ready to jump at the next best offer. That offer appears to be from the Big 12 if it should happen. Unless the B1G or the ACC look to expand again, that is our only viable option. Making sure that we are in position to out-work Cincinnati for that spot when it comes up is paramount for us. The country looks at Louisville as better than UConn. How is it going to feel when a school like Cincinnati or UCF is "better" too?

I'm not saying UConn should turn down the B12. I'm arguing the opposite, that the big12 doesn't want to travel to Storrs!!!
 
Yeah, it obviously has to be strong so UConn sports won't get hurt with poor recruiting.

But you're fooling yourself if you think these teams have value. They don't. That's why UConn is making less than $2m a year.

You're confusing value with strength. Big difference. East Carolina, for instance, is a good football school. But they have little to no value. If they go, they go.

Look at Rutgers. Sky-high value. But they suck.

Don't confuse the two things.

Cinci, USF and UCF don't have value and that's why we are making less than $2M?

More like were making less than $2M because of ECU, Tulane and Temple!

If those programs leave, there's no doubt in my mind the tv deal gets cut I'm half
 
I'm not saying UConn should turn down the B12. I'm arguing the opposite, that the big12 doesn't want to travel to Storrs!!!

I understand that. What I was saying in the first place is that when a conference is desperate, they will do what they need to do to fortify the strength of the conference. Geography was not important to the Big 12 when they added West Virginia. Academics were no longer important when there was a threat of the conference breaking apart to the ACC. The Big 12 is going to be adding member schools in a defensive manner if they do so, because they are the conference sitting between three power conferences, and are the ones who are likely to be ripped apart. Big 12 realignment is going to be defensive in nature. They will want BYU and can probably get them. However, that will leave one spot left. The realistic options are Cincy, USF, UCF, and UConn. No, the Big 12 schools do not want to travel to the Northeast, but travelling to Florida for most of them is just as inconvenient. The point is that Cincy has the geographic edge. However, if realignment has taught us anything, it is that conferences will value different things at different times. The Big 12 will need to add a member that adds credibility to the conference. Adding a team that was in C-USA and has little success outside of a bowl win against UGA a few years ago is not going to convince a school like Texas that the conference is stronger and want to play in it. Are Texas and Oklahoma really going to be happy to have conference games against C-USA refugees and travel to them?
 
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Yeah, it obviously has to be strong so UConn sports won't get hurt with poor recruiting.

But you're fooling yourself if you think these teams have value. They don't. That's why UConn is making less than $2m a year.

You're confusing value with strength. Big difference. East Carolina, for instance, is a good football school. But they have little to no value. If they go, they go.

Look at Rutgers. Sky-high value. But they suck.

Don't confuse the two things.

Perhaps I can translate it in a different way: Let's root for UConn to have the best Strength of Schedule possible given the conference that we are in. If we have other teams in the AAC perform well in their non-conference plates, and we beat them or play them competitively, then that helps our overall profile. Hence, let's root for other AAC teams!
 
I can at least say something about the AAC; many of the teams in 1-A football have given me a reason to hate them, including the entire ACC, many in the SEC, Big12, B1G, PAC, and certainly many in the Mountain West. Having said that, I have to say that I feel very little hatred for our new conference mates.

Here's to not hating the teams of the AAC...
 
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If for some unforeseen reason the B12 needs to expand, they will go for a team that makes more sense. It may be Cincy, it may be UCF. I highly doubt they will travel that far afield. I can't figure out why UConn fans are setting themselves up for this. West Virginia is squealing about travel right now, and they are several hundred miles closer.

Yeah, but WVU is being a bunch of whiny bit&hes these days.
 
Let's also put this into some perspective. We are still in Division 1A football. I've worked at two Universities that don't even have football teams, and really struggle with school spirit. I think there is still something to root for and be excited about, even if we're not playing with the big boys.
 
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Cinci, USF and UCF don't have value and that's why we are making less than $2M?

More like were making less than $2M because of ECU, Tulane and Temple!

If those programs leave, there's no doubt in my mind the tv deal gets cut I'm half

Yeah, they don't have value. Every conference has its Baylors and Northwesterns. ACC has a bunch of such schools. USF, UCF and Cincy don't do much--maybe Cincy does a little. I think their market and fanbase is pretty tiny though. In fact, they aren't even the most popular bball team in their own city! They might even be third!

I would bet everything that if those 3 teams left, the TV deal WOULD NOT be cut in half.
 
Perhaps I can translate it in a different way: Let's root for UConn to have the best Strength of Schedule possible given the conference that we are in. If we have other teams in the AAC perform well in their non-conference plates, and we beat them or play them competitively, then that helps our overall profile. Hence, let's root for other AAC teams!

Another way to put this is to say that Memphis is going to have a lot of basketball talent and be formidable, a top ranked team, and UConn recruits are going to get some stiff competition from them.

But Memphis as a school? In the realignment game? VALUE ZERO.
 
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