Rodney Purvis on campus

[ClifSpliffy]

I'm a little afraid that this is the first post of yours that I have been able to comprehend, and I actually had the same thought.

As I said upthread, perception is reality.

And most of the same posters who now proclaim Ollie as the devil will be vilifying the players and not the coach in that instance.

And, they might be right in both cases. Or not.

'this is the first post of yours that I have been able to comprehend,'
ok, this is not good, not good at all. i've heard this elsewhere, and makes me wonder if im losing velocity on my fastball, like the obvious loss of hops on my in game dunks on asphalt. and, that thing where my knees feel like someone poured napalm on them, and then throw a match, again, on asphalt, makes me think that the sunny daze rest home could be a lot closer than i realized.
now, if it's the sunnyvale trailer park instead, like in TPB, that would be fun. yes indeedy, me, snoop, phil collins, all hangin by the pool, eating pepperoni and quaffing 40s - now, that's a retirement.
im a hopeful sort so i'll just make the appointment for TJ surgery.

 

[huskiesNhoos]

I'm a little afraid that this is the first post of yours that I have been able to comprehend, and I actually had the same thought.

As I said upthread, perception is reality.

And most of the same posters who now proclaim Ollie as the devil will be vilifying the players and not the coach in that instance.

And, they might be right in both cases. Or not.

Do you by chance smell burning toast?

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

New Mexico State A&M

Then Arkansas.
Then East Carolina.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

In the mirror

Actually that's also where goes to make an aplology.

 

[navery12]

So to be fair...KO's biggest detractors so far are Purv, Sid and Vance Jackson, so far. Or Jackson's dad. Take Sid with a grain of salt since he never played for KO. Jackson has had problems everywhere he's gone. As for Bazz being the coach, that is laughable. Providing leadership is NOT coaching. Don't see anyone lining up to add him to their coaching staff even though it appears his playing days are over. Just some random thoughts.

Then you really should open your eyes and read this board more. Every few months someone suggests Shabazz retire and coach here. When Taliek left he was suggested multiple times. And I'll give you it's impossible to read all the threads, but it was even suggested in this thread you presumably read before replying

 

[Waquoit]

Actually that's also where goes to make an aplology.

For what? He was the canary in the coal mine.

 

[MDHuskFan]

I'm a little afraid that this is the first post of yours that I have been able to comprehend, and I actually had the same thought.

As I said upthread, perception is reality.

And most of the same posters who now proclaim Ollie as the devil will be vilifying the players and not the coach in that instance.

And, they might be right in both cases. Or not.

Only one big difference between what the Clif players & the Ollie ones

The Dan Hurley guys mentioned played on teams where players developed & got better. Additionally, the team is on an upward trajectory. Maybe they didn’t mesh with the style, but I’d be inclined to say they got good coaching.

The KO guys never got better, and the team continually set new lows year after year. Leading me to think they not only didn’t get good coaching, but their gripe is a little more reasonable

 

[Brochacho]

Looking back on 2014 with all those post games interviews with players huddled around Ollie I don’t see how anyone can take away that he wasn’t in control of that team or that anyone could’ve won a championship with that team.

It’s clear he fell off after that or stopped caring or whatever it was, but he was the perfect coach for the 2014 team.

 

[CL82]

I'm a little afraid that this is the first post of yours that I have been able to comprehend, and I actually had the same thought.

As I said upthread, perception is reality.

And most of the same posters who now proclaim Ollie as the devil will be vilifying the players and not the coach in that instance.

And, they might be right in both cases. Or not.

Has anyone proclaimed Ollie as the devil? If so, does that make Grants hell?

 

[Fishy]

Least surprising thing from this thread, the KO debate that never ends. Most surprising thing, it appears people have forgotten just how good Rodney Purvis was for UConn

Yeah, this.

There was one person who said that the gap between what we expected with Purvis and what we got was the biggest gap since Deng, or something like that.

That’s….insane.

 

[8893]

Has anyone proclaimed Ollie as the devil? If so, does that make Grants hell?

Talked a great game, but had no interest in what he was saying…bad coach, bad guy.

Yep. He didn't just become a jerk after he got divorced. He fooled a lot of people.

Not in those words.

Maybe the dollar oysters were the forbidden fruit?

 

[8893]

Yeah, this.

There was one person who said that the gap between what we expected with Purvis and what we got was the biggest gap since Deng, or something like that.

That’s….insane.

That was me.

Maybe overly dramatic to make a point (to which I'd say labeling Ollie a "bad guy" from day one is also a bit extreme), but pick a lane here.

If Purvis was as good here as you and others now remember, does Ollie not get any credit for that? Or was that despite his incompetence?

The "Ferrari in the garage" hype cursed him imo, and I don't think he lived up to the expectations that created, unreasonable or not.

 

[CL82]

Not in those words.

Maybe the dollar oysters were the forbidden fruit?

LOL, well something was, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the oysters.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

'their gripe is a little more reasonable'
it is?
some of ko's guys get to say 'we were the best in the nation, and got the hardware to prove it. kiss my grits.'
what's danny's guys get to say, so far, 'danny's wife makes good cookies? i like the smell of sage burning in the morning?, im gonna be on the wall?'
yeah, umm no.
winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. it makes for great memories.
welcome to the jungle. i like saying 'kiss my grits.'
the time for relativism is au revoir, over. take a walk around outside, and folks will tell you that storytime is also, au revoir, over.
winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. if im spending my time cheering, i expect results. championship results. in my day job, iffn you come at me with continual bs and excuses, i will drop you faster than a one eyed cat's head spins in a fish market.

 

[Alum1620]

Only one big difference between what the Clif players & the Ollie ones

The Dan Hurley guys mentioned played on teams where players developed & got better. Additionally, the team is on an upward trajectory. Maybe they didn’t mesh with the style, but I’d be inclined to say they got good coaching.

The KO guys never got better, and the team continually set new lows year after year. Leading me to think they not only didn’t get good coaching, but their gripe is a little more reasonable

And when we are talking about Dan Hurley we are going to have to mention the changing nature of college basketball with the portal etc.. which can inflate the numbers more than in past eras

 

[Fishy]

That was me.

Maybe overly dramatic to make a point (to which I'd say labeling Ollie a "bad guy" from day one is also a bit extreme), but pick a lane here.

If Purvis was as good here as you and others now remember, does Ollie not get any credit for that? Or was that despite his incompetence?

The "Ferrari in the garage" hype cursed him imo, and I don't think he lived up to the expectations that created, unreasonable or not.

Ollie was a bad guy - a very bad guy. Like, not good. I don’t think I am outlier thinking that…the NBA, who supposedly adored him, routinely hires college coaches who have run into issues. Not a one of them has any interest in Kevin Ollie.

But, anyway….you need to stop moving goal posts. You said that the difference between what was expected and what we got was greater than anything outside of Ajou Deng. (I actually didn’t notice who wrote it. I tend not to.)

That was Inane. He wouldn’t even be in the top 10 or more. He was qutie a good player on a very bad team coached by an inept clown. He would have had a better career under any other UConn coach in the last century, but he drew the short straw and got the guy who’s game prep involved chasing skirts at oyster bars.

 

[UCDaveD]

Got a former player spilling tea on what was really going on within the program and some on this board are like “WeLl AkShULlY…”

I love this place.

 

[HuskyFich]

 

[huskiesNhoos]

That was me.

Maybe overly dramatic to make a point (to which I'd say labeling Ollie a "bad guy" from day one is also a bit extreme), but pick a lane here.

If Purvis was as good here as you and others now remember, does Ollie not get any credit for that? Or was that despite his incompetence?

The "Ferrari in the garage" hype cursed him imo, and I don't think he lived up to the expectations that created, unreasonable or not.

Without wading too much into the KO debate...I really feel for Purvis.

He was a 5* coming out of HS, strong athletic scorer that needed some polish with fundamentals and finishing at the rim. He was a 2 that wanted to play the 1, which he had no business playing, and when at UConn he ended up playing the 3 more times than not.

Check his freshman yr stats at NC st, and then at UConn. He had his best shooting splits and arguably best statistical season per min then...he never really got better at UConn. He pretty much plateaued immediately upon stepping on campus which is likely why he seems understandably upset with KO

 

[8893]

Ollie was a bad guy - a very bad guy. Like, not good. I don’t think I am outlier thinking that…the NBA, who supposedly adored him, routinely hires college coaches who have run into issues. Not a one of them has any interest in Kevin Ollie.

But, anyway….you need to stop moving goal posts. You said that the difference between what was expected and what we got was greater than anything outside of Ajou Deng. (I actually didn’t notice who wrote it. I tend not to.)

That was Inane. He wouldn’t even be in the top 10 or more. He was qutie a good player on a very bad team coached by an inept clown. He would have had a better career under any other UConn coach in the last century, but he drew the short straw and got the guy who’s game prep involved chasing skirts at oyster bars.

I said I was dramatizing for effect, but your commitment to your "black" vote for with respect to all things Kevin Ollie is noted.

I'll just note that it pairs nicely with your more recent--and frequently contradictory and out-of-touch--criticisms of Hurley's ability to recruit, develop and maintain a roster, for which many of the same posters with whom you are now aligned called you out as insane.

As for Rodney, I liked him as a player and a person, but like many, I felt that he didn't live up to the advance billing, which admittedly set an unreasonably high bar. I was happy to see that he was back on campus, and even more happy to see his praise for Hawkins.

I didn't like seeing the dirty laundry aired, and I'm going to stop giving it more air now.

 

[CL82]

Ollie was a bad guy - a very bad guy

 

[Dove]

That was me.

Maybe overly dramatic to make a point (to which I'd say labeling Ollie a "bad guy" from day one is also a bit extreme), but pick a lane here.

If Purvis was as good here as you and others now remember, does Ollie not get any credit for that? Or was that despite his incompetence?

The "Ferrari in the garage" hype cursed him imo, and I don't think he lived up to the expectations that created, unreasonable or not.

Rodney's improvement was not dramatic. He was just not worse than the previous year. A very minimal improvement where, in a graph, his line was a 3 degree improvement rise annually.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

ya know, i just took a spin around on ol rodney's cv. only six months younger than drummond, his whole thing looks like 'was here, got bounced quickly,' starting with the end of his 1st year at nc state, where, he got bounced from the starting lineup.
'However, his minutes fell off when coach Gottfried moved forward T. J. Warren into the starting lineup, and Purvis scored a total of 12 points and played an average of 12.8 minutes in the final four games.' ouch.
looking at his pro career, same thing. never sticks or gets the invite back.
odd.
mebbe he talks too much.
why did danny bring him here? what's the point?
this thing is starting to bug me, but im going fishing now, so let's hope those fishtales make me forget aboot this one. st rodney!
the world is full of blowhards who'll tell you how great they could be if only the situation was different. or how big the fish that got away was.

 

[superjohn]

I said I was dramatizing for effect, but your commitment to your "black" vote for with respect to all things Kevin Ollie is noted.

I'll just note that it pairs nicely with your more recent--and frequently contradictory and out-of-touch--criticisms of Hurley's ability to recruit, develop and maintain a roster, for which many of the same posters with whom you are now aligned called you out as insane.

As for Rodney, I liked him as a player and a person, but like many, I felt that he didn't live up to the advance billing, which admittedly set an unreasonably high bar. I was happy to see that he was back on campus, and even more happy to see his praise for Hawkins.

I didn't like seeing the dirty laundry aired, and I'm going to stop giving it more air now.

The advance billing for Rodney was from KO "I got a Ferrari in the garage." That Ferrari in the garage was a good college basketball player since he stepped on the court as a freshman at NC State because of his talent and he remained a good player at UConn because of his talent. He feels he never really improved enough as a basketball player because of who he was coached by despite Rodney working his butt off. He mentions that his teammates had more talent than they showed at UConn and they should've reached higher heights in their basketball careers but were held back by (lack of) coaching.

I think it's fair for him to be critical of his coach who was hyping him up as a Ferrari only to have his coach turn his back on him when things weren't working out great.

 

[ctchamps]

That was more a Boston vs Chicago thing. I never saw any problem how their mom’s interacted. Etc.

Yep. The most likely scenario is someone was able to guide two alpha guards to work together and that someone was most likely KO.

 

[Fishy]

I said I was dramatizing for effect, but your commitment to your "black" vote for with respect to all things Kevin Ollie is noted.

I'll just note that it pairs nicely with your more recent--and frequently contradictory and out-of-touch--criticisms of Hurley's ability to recruit, develop and maintain a roster, for which many of the same posters with whom you are now aligned called you out as insane.

As for Rodney, I liked him as a player and a person, but like many, I felt that he didn't live up to the advance billing, which admittedly set an unreasonably high bar. I was happy to see that he was back on campus, and even more happy to see his praise for Hawkins.

I didn't like seeing the dirty laundry aired, and I'm going to stop giving it more air now.

Thinking Kevin Ollie was an is not contradictory. It’s what he was - and it’s not recent. And you can go back to 2012 and see where I was not sold on hiring him and 2014 to see me concerned about him.

Eventually, a pair of stories will come out and the veneer will be stripped entirely. I hope he goes away forever and never comes back.

As for Rodney…honestly, who really showed much improvement under Kevin Ollie?

 

[upstater]

For what? He was the canary in the coal mine.

Who proceeded to choose one bad coal mine after another when he left.

Look, not a single person saying Ollie had a big part in the NC is defending Ollie for what came afterward.

If someone wants to step up here and tell me Glen Miller developed Giffey, Napier, Boatright and Daniels, that's perfectly fine. All we're saying is that the coaches of that '14 team did a helluva job, especially since those players became the greats they became post-Calhoun.

I accept what Purvis is saying at face value. That's a very different thing than Vance Jackson who hasn't managed to improve under several other coaches elsewhere. It's night and day.

Are we acting like Vance is the first disgruntled player to leave and fizzle out?

I mean, we've even had disgruntled people like Oriakhi leave here, or one of the best examples is Gavin Edwards. A guy who was disgruntled and yet developed into a solid player here, after not having ANYONE else knock on his door coming out of high school.

I just think you take it with a grain of salt from some kids, while other kids--like Purvis--have more credibility.

 

[8893]

As for Rodney…honestly, who really showed much improvement under Kevin Ollie?

Shabazz, Boatright, Deandre and Niels?

 

[NJHoops]

Imagine being stupid enough to wonder why a former player, any former player, would be welcomed back on campus. The dangers of reading the board when not signed in… it is not for the faint of heart. That ignore list is out here saving souls and sanity.

 

[upstater]

Thinking Kevin Ollie was an is not contradictory. It’s what he was - and it’s not recent. And you can go back to 2012 and see where I was not sold on hiring him and 2014 to see me concerned about him.

Eventually, a pair of stories will come out and the veneer will be stripped entirely. I hope he goes away forever and never comes back.

As for Rodney…honestly, who really showed much improvement under Kevin Ollie?

Yeah, well, I do remember the February 2014 posts about him, and I can't say I expected a national championship, but I was a defender at the same point in time because I thought the team was gelling.

That being said, the 2014 was one of the biggest outliers in NCAA history. Look at that team and compare it to all the other champions in terms of talent. It's a struggle to find other championship teams without NBA players, and that UConn team had only one.

It's crazy that they won it. Credit the kids, but credit the coaches too because when a team lacking talent wins it all, it's a beautiful thing.