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Reggie Miller is better than Steph Curry

Its funny how whenever people compare the Goat Lebron to MJ they always bring up finals wins but we got people in the chat saying no rings, worse passer, worse shooter Reggie Miller is better than Steph Curry.

You cannot make this stuff up.
 
WingU-Conn said:
The point is Steph is a better ball-handler and passer.

It's telling that in order to "prove" Reggie is better, you have to stay away from individual comparisons, and talk about their teammates.

It's even more telling that in your response to me, you didn't bother to quote or address the part showing Steph is a better defender and rebounder.

Ignore the assists.... Steph still averaged more, shot better, rebounded better, and got more steals.
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Could Currys numbers maybe be better because guards rebound more generally due to 3s having longer caroms? Just a thought.
 
Deepster said:
Could Currys numbers maybe be better because guards rebound more generally due to 3s having longer caroms? Just a thought.
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Guards rebound more than who?

1) Miller was also a guard
2) Miller is 4 inches taller than Steph.

Could that be an advantage?

(Steph also averages more steals while being asked to do more on offense).
 
Deepster said:
Could Currys numbers maybe be better because guards rebound more generally due to 3s having longer caroms? Just a thought.
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You’re doing some impressive gymnastics here. I don’t even believe Reggie would agree with you
 
UofCT2009 said:
Reggie not getting all NBA in 94 and 97 was ridiculous. He lost out to guys like Mark Price, Mitch Richmond, Kevin Johnson, and Latrell Sprewell. Reggie was better and Pacers were better.

In 1999 when Pacers were the #2 seed in East and went to ECF, Reggie didn’t get in and in 2000 when Reggie led his team to the finals he didn’t make a team. Nobody on the Pacers made it. Sad.
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1994

The Pacers had 47 wins and were the 6 seed in the East.

Reggie's stats: 19-3-3

Latrell Sprewell's Warriors had 50 wins. His stats: 21-5-4
Mitch Richmond's Kings were a 28 win team, but he averaged 23-3-4
Kevin Johnson's Suns were a 56 win team and he averaged 20-2.5-9.5
Mark Price's Cavs won 47 games and he averaged 17-3-8

Sprewell being first team was egregious and dumb, but I don't think any are egregious selections over Reggie.

1997

The Pacers missed the playoffs with 39 wins.

Reggie's stats: 21.5-3.5-3

Tim Hardaway's Heat won 61 games. 20-3.5-8.5
Glen Rice's Hornets won 54 games. 27-4-2
Grant Hill's Pistons won 54 games: 21.5-9-7.5
Mitch Richmond's Kings won 34 games: 26-4-4

Maybe Sprewell or Richmond in 1994 you have an argument with. Even then, he's only in filling a Jordan gap. That's sort of it. Peak Kevin Johnson was better than peak Reggie. There. I said it.

1999

Who are you putting him ahead of in the guards or forwards? The only potential choice was Tim Hardaway, whose team won as many games as Reggie's did and who averaged 1 point fewer with far more assists and more rebounds.
 
Not sure why all of the Miller hate, I 'was' a Knick fan when Reggie kept destroying them. He was a great shooter and is certainly deserving of the HOF. Our own Rip admired Reggie's game, so much so he emulated it.

Reggie was a jerk on the court, but he was a great shooter and player.

Just saying a HOF'er is a proven commodity and earned the highest honor. So to me when comparing positional players (G,F,C) are close the HOFer wins the tie breaker. With that said Curry should win the argument when his career ends. But until then I will give Reggie his props, and continually await as Curry continues to prove it.
 
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Kitaman said:
Not sure why all of the Miller hate, I 'was' a Knick fan when Reggie kept destroying them. He was a great shooter and is certainly deserving of the HOF. Our own Rip admired Reggie's game, so much so he emulated it.

Reggie was a jerk on the court, but he was a great shooter and player.

Just saying a HOF'er is a proven commodity and earned the highest honor. So to me when comparing positional players (G,F,C) are close the HOFer wins the tie breaker. With that said Curry should win the argument when his career ends. But until then I will give Reggie his props, and continually await as Curry continues to prove it.
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Where's the hate?

He's a deserving HOFer. He's just not better than Drexler, Ray, Payton, McGrady or Pierce.
 
tzznandrew said:
Where's the hate?

He's a deserving HOFer. He's just not better than Drexler, Ray, Payton, McGrady or Pierce.
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Reggie was better than Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and T-Mac.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Guards rebound more than who?

1) Miller was also a guard
2) Miller is 4 inches taller than Steph.

Could that be an advantage?

(Steph also averages more steals while being asked to do more on offense).
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Guards now rebound more than they have in the past because the prevalence of the 3 kicks out longer rebound opportunities. On a team that wasn't even 3 reliant, Vital led the Huskies this year at SG.

No more Moses Malone plodding and camping in the paint for 16 RPG.
 
I said it in my first post I think Steph is better, but it's not dumb to think about like many of the pro-Steph people think. It's hard to compare even though they are both guards, the game has changed so much and their roles were so different.
Again, Steph would lose some if he played in Reggie's era I believe. Green is a pretty good modern center and he's never had 1000 fg attempts in a season. Rik Smiths averaged about a thousand attempts for the most part of his career (a little under). A large of the game when Reggie played was dump the ball to the center and watch what he can do. Also, the lane was a different place. Centers did not have to go out and guard an opposing center at the 3 point line too often.

That said, I don't think what Steph would lose is more than Reggie would gain today.
Not trying to knock Klay, but until he's the man on a team and has them a perennial playoff contender, than I wouldn't compare him with Reggie. No Steph, and he's the best on the team. How are they? I want to see that first.
 
Spaceman213J said:
I said it in my first post I think Steph is better, but it's not dumb to think about like many of the pro-Steph people think. It's hard to compare even though they are both guards, the game has changed so much and their roles were so different.
Again, Steph would lose some if he played in Reggie's era I believe. Green is a pretty good modern center and he's never had 1000 fg attempts in a season. Rik Smiths averaged about a thousand attempts for the most part of his career (a little under). A large of the game when Reggie played was dump the ball to the center and watch what he can do. Also, the lane was a different place. Centers did not have to go out and guard an opposing center at the 3 point line too often.

That said, I don't think what Steph would lose is more than Reggie would gain today.
Not trying to knock Klay, but until he's the man on a team and has them a perennial playoff contender, than I wouldn't compare him with Reggie. No Steph, and he's the best on the team. How are they? I want to see that first.
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Love this post. Feel like it got what I was trying to poke at.

For the record, in an all-time draft I'm taking Curry. But there are guys who get lost in time. McHale. Dr J. Worthy. George Gervin. It's worth trying to mash the eras together.
 
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I like Reggie Miller a lot, but I think Curry is better than Reggie Miller. I will say that Reggie's Pacers team would probably have won a title somewhere in the 90's through 2001 if they could have played a zone and there was no hand-checking.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I like Reggie Miller a lot, but I think Curry is better than Reggie Miller. I will say that Reggie's Pacers team would probably have won a title somewhere in the 90's through 2001 if they could have played a zone and there was no hand-checking.
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Bingo
 
Deepster said:
Love this post. Feel like it got what I was trying to poke at.

For the record, in an all-time draft I'm taking Curry. But there are guys who get lost in time. McHale. Dr J. Worthy. George Gervin. It's worth trying to mash the eras together.
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Reggie and Steph was just the wrong comparison. Because it really isn’t close. Reggie and Klay is a better debate. The argument you wanna make is impossible to make, because all metrics and numbers point to Steph clearly being better
 
AntG168 said:
Reggie and Steph was just the wrong comparison. Because it really isn’t close. Reggie and Klay is a better debate. The argument you wanna make is impossible to make, because all metrics and numbers point to Steph clearly being better
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Klay isn't an alpha. Reggie was.
 
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UofCT2009 said:
Reggie was better than Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and T-Mac.
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Reggie had a better career than T-Mac, but in his (brief) prime, T-Mac was on another level.

Pierce was much better than Reggie in his prime and had an objectively better career.

Ray and Reggie is a fun debate. I’d give the slight edge to Ray because he was more well-rounded as a player, but it’s close.

Feels like there are lots of Pacers fans in this thread who are overrating how good Reggie was in the grand scheme of things.
 
UConn990411 said:
Reggie had a better career than T-Mac, but in his (brief) prime, T-Mac was on another level.

Pierce was much better than Reggie in his prime and had an objectively better career.

Ray and Reggie is a fun debate. I’d give the slight edge to Ray because he was more well-rounded as a player, but it’s close.

Feels like there are lots of Pacers fans in this thread who are overrating how good Reggie was in the grand scheme of things.
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TMac's career was over at 29. From his Age 20 season to his Age 28 season (9 seasons) he:

- Averaged 25-6.5-5
- Won 2 scoring titles
- Made 7 All Stars (more than Reggie made his whole career)
- Made 7 All NBA teams: 2 First Team, 3 Second Team, 3 Third Team (Reggie made 3 Thirds total)
- Was a Top 10 MVP vote getter 6 years (Reggie never was)

Basically, for essentially a decade, Tracy McGrady was one of the best 10 players in the league. That's a long enough peak for me to be pretty comfortable putting him over guys who spent their whole career outside the Top 15-20 players.
 
Deepster said:
Guards now rebound more than they have in the past because the prevalence of the 3 kicks out longer rebound opportunities. On a team that wasn't even 3 reliant, Vital led the Huskies this year at SG.

No more Moses Malone plodding and camping in the paint for 16 RPG.
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Centers and Forwards now play farther from the hoop. Because they aren't camping in the paint for 16RPG they are away from the basket, and they still grab more rebounds than guards by a wide margin.

in 1995 the top 40 rebounders were F/C,
in 2018 all but 3 of the top rebounders were F/C, those three:

Russell Westbrook (rebounds better than just about any guard in the league)
Ben Simmons (6'10")
and Luka Doncic (6'7")

So no, that doesn't explain the difference.

You also continue to ignore the steals, and give zero credit for the assists.

He is a more well-rounded player. Reggie was a catch and shoot player, Curry does much more.
 
tzznandrew said:
TMac's career was over at 29. From his Age 20 season to his Age 28 season (9 seasons) he:

- Averaged 25-6.5-5
- Won 2 scoring titles
- Made 7 All Stars (more than Reggie made his whole career)
- Made 7 All NBA teams: 2 First Team, 3 Second Team, 3 Third Team (Reggie made 3 Thirds total)
- Was a Top 10 MVP vote getter 6 years (Reggie never was)

Basically, for essentially a decade, Tracy McGrady was one of the best 10 players in the league. That's a long enough peak for me to be pretty comfortable putting him over guys who spent their whole career outside the Top 15-20 players.
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T-Mac also never got out of the first round. The Rockets improved when T-Mac got injured. But yeah he scored a lot of points, sweet.
 
UofCT2009 said:
T-Mac also never got out of the first round. The Rockets improved when T-Mac got injured. But yeah he scored a lot of points, sweet.
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Are you saying the Rockets got better after T-Mac left? Or they played better when he was on the team, but injured and not playing?

Because T-Mac left in 2010. Within 2 years they dismantled the team and started all over.

After the roster moves made by Morey during the 2012 NBA off-season,[127] only four players were left from the 2011–12 Rockets roster: Chandler Parsons, Greg Smith, Marcus Morris, and Patrick Patterson,[128]
 
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tzznandrew said:
TMac's career was over at 29. From his Age 20 season to his Age 28 season (9 seasons) he:

- Averaged 25-6.5-5
- Won 2 scoring titles
- Made 7 All Stars (more than Reggie made his whole career)
- Made 7 All NBA teams: 2 First Team, 3 Second Team, 3 Third Team (Reggie made 3 Thirds total)
- Was a Top 10 MVP vote getter 6 years (Reggie never was)

Basically, for essentially a decade, Tracy McGrady was one of the best 10 players in the league. That's a long enough peak for me to be pretty comfortable putting him over guys who spent their whole career outside the Top 15-20 players.
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Tracy McGrady is Anthony Davis. Everyone raves about their talent....yet they never go anywhere and can't lead a team to anything. All these bullets in the post above? Meh. Great. He made 7 All Star teams. Oh, and he was 3rd team All NBA three times.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Are you saying the Rockets got better after T-Mac left? Or they played better when he was on the team, but injured and not playing?

Because T-Mac left in 2010. Within 2 years they dismantled the team and started all over.

After the roster moves made by Morey during the 2012 NBA off-season,[127] only four players were left from the 2011–12 Rockets roster: Chandler Parsons, Greg Smith, Marcus Morris, and Patrick Patterson,[128]
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2008-2009. T-Mac gets hurt, Rockets go on a run
 
Deepster said:
Tracy McGrady is Anthony Davis. Everyone raves about their talent....yet they never go anywhere and can't lead a team to anything. All these bullets in the post above? Meh. Great. He made 7 All Star teams. Oh, and he was 3rd team All NBA three times.
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How many championships did Reggie win?
 
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