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I've never seen anything like that, the refs just flat out cheated the Clippers. There is absolutely no debate on whether the ball went off Jackson or not, it's about the most obvious call you could ever make. All three refs look at the replay and give the ball back to OKC, they all know it went off Jackson, that was just flat out cheating, I feel dirty watching it.
 
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It doesn't matter, the point of replay is to get the call right. You don't review it to see if a foul is called, fouls are missed all the time. They saw it went off Jackson and they gave it back to OKC., the replay system is now a sham.
 
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Paul was also fouled at end of the clippers last possession. AND there was a kick ball.
 
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It doesn't matter, the point of replay is to get the call right. You don't review it to see if a foul is called, fouls are missed all the time. They saw it went off Jackson and they gave it back to OKC., the replay system is now a sham.

I agree that the replay system failed but I have a hard time believing you would be so easy to give the refs a pass for missing the foul call if that was a squad you rooted for in OKC's position of going in for a potential game tying basket, getting fouled and not having it called, and then losing the ball out of bounds on top of it. Really if anything CP3 screwed em by trying to jump in the air for a 3 point shot instead of holding onto the ball and then fouling Russell on the 3 point shot on the following play.
 
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Paul was also fouled at end of the clippers last possession. AND there was a kick ball.
I don't know about that, there are subjective calls all the time, fouls are missed and foul calls are made that shouldn't be fouls. There was nothing subjective about who the ball went off of, there can't be a replay system if the refs are just going to lie about what they see right in front of them. I have no dog in this fight, probably slightly rooting for OKC but this makes me angry, the refs just cheated the Clippers and the game.
 
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Paul was also fouled at end of the clippers last possession. AND there was a kick ball.

yea kinda surprising that its being glossed over in the postgame coverage, it was pretty blatant and silly on Jackson's part since Ibaka had him closed off and it was going to take a ridiculous shot attempt for CP3 to even get it over him.
 
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I agree that the replay system failed but I have a hard time believing you would be so easy to give the refs a pass for missing the foul call if that was a squad you rooted for in OKC's position of going in for a potential game tying basket, getting fouled and not having it called, and then losing the ball out of bounds on top of it. Really if anything CP3 screwed em by trying to jump in the air for a 3 point shot instead of holding onto the ball and then fouling Russell on the 3 point shot on the following play.
Of course I would be pissed if I was a diehard OKC fan or player but that's not the point. You can't take the refs or the game seriously if the refs aren't being honest about the rules, it's just flat out wrong.
 
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Paul was also fouled at end of the clippers last possession. AND there was a kick ball.
Yup you are right CP3 was fouled and then there still should have been time on the clock when Ibaka got it and was fouled. I don't care about those plays because missed fouls are a part of the game. I care that the refs cheated on the review, what is the point of the rule if it's broken when the refs see fit?
 

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OKC ended the game on a 17-4 run or something like that over the last 3 minutes. LAC opted to go 1 on 5 every just about every possession and it bit them in the ass. Colossal meltdown by LAC and I was actually happy to see OKC pull it out. The Clippers played really stupid at the end and it never should have come down to a disputed out of bounds call in the final seconds...

Having said that, I agree - a really $hitty call by the refs. I mean really really bad. AND they went to the monitor to review it. Seriously? Helen Keller could have gotten that call right...
 
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I'm now so much dumber after listening to Kenny and Barkley tonight. I normally love Barkley but he has said so much dumb stuff tonight I kind of feel bad for Ernie. Ernie tried to argue with him a little but gave up when he realized it was like arguing with a crazy person, time for bed.
 
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The ball appeared to go off Jackson, but I don't have a problem with the way it was called. If there was a "wink/wink" element to the call with the refs knowing they made a mistake in not calling a foul, so be it. I don't blame anybody for feeling the way the OP does, but ultimately, the Clippers got the better end of the deal (instead of Jackson going to the line for two, OKC has the ball on the baseline).

Doc says it was a series-defining call. Maybe. I don't blame him for being upset. But LA blew a 13 point lead in the final 4 minutes of the game. They blew a seven point lead in the final 49 seconds. Chris Paul leaped into the air trying to draw three free throws like he always does, even though I've never seen that specific move actually work. He then proceeded to foul a three point shooter (and I do think Westbrook was fouled) and cough it up with a chance to win it on the final possession.

Either way, that was an extremely poorly officiated game.
 
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I understand the OP's sentiment, but here's the thing. In the entire history of organized basketball pre-replay, that play (assuming no foul) results in OKC's ball out of bounds. Pretty much 1000 times out of a 1000 (unless it hit Jackson's leg on the way out). In real time, it is clear that the swipe from Barnes was the impetus that caused the ball to go out of bounds, so if you as a ref, think the swipe was clean, then it's OKC ball. If you think he hit wrist, them it's a foul. And nobody prior to the replay rule would ever question it being OKC ball - the only debate would be over the missed foul.

If you slow the replay down, yeah, Barnes missed the ball entirely so Jackson had it last. But Clippers ball is not the way that play would ever be called in real time. I would kind of hate to see a game decided by giving the wrong team the ball on a play that would never be called that way at any other point of a game, due to a loophole in the way you have to use replay. Not sure how the rule can be fixed, though. Similar things happen in the NFL (seeing interference on a play where you check replay for possession, etc.).
 
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Saying "the refs cheated" is pretty childish that's for sure. But reality is the replay rules state that should be out on Westbrook so they may have gotten it wrong instead of cheating…………

Having said that the only reason he was the last one to touch it was because Barnes ripped his hand off the ball which then would mean "hands part of the ball" maybe? Off of Barnes in that case………….;)
 
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OKC ended the game on a 17-4 run or something like that over the last 3 minutes. LAC opted to go 1 on 5 every just about every possession and it bit them in the ass. Colossal meltdown by LAC and I was actually happy to see OKC pull it out. The Clippers played really stupid at the end and it never should have come down to a disputed out of bounds call in the final seconds...

Having said that, I agree - a really $hitty call by the refs. I mean really really bad. AND they went to the monitor to review it. Seriously? Helen Keller could have gotten that call right...

Helen Keller also would have heard the slap on the wrist/hand and called that first…………;)

As they say No Harm No Foul…….LOL
 
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Barkley: "why would dumb-dumb shoot a 3 and the other dumb-dumb foul him shooting"
 
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We (UConn fans) want OKC to win. It is in the interest of the UConn program to have OKC win the NBA title.

So why complain about a good thing?
 

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We (UConn fans) want OKC to win. It is in the interest of the UConn program to have OKC win the NBA title.

So why complain about a good thing?
Weird that you think you speak for all UConn fans.
 
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Maybe I'm not seeing a good angle, but it doesn't look like a kick ball to me at the end. You have to be actually trying to kick the ball. It looks like Chris Paul just dribbled it into a tight space.
 

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If stuff like this bothers you, why would you watch the NBA playoffs? It's de rigueur.
 
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The reaction to this is a microcosm of law in this country.
The rules are clear - can't overturn foul/no foul call on replay. Can overturn out of bounds on replay.
Refs used the out of bounds replay opportunity to reverse a non-reversible call.
I think most reasonable viewers agree on that fact pattern.
The difference is that some people believe that it's an abuse of the rules, and some think it's justice.

I've always been an apply-the-rules guy. If you don't like the results, change the rules by the prescribed process. But don't circumvent the rules to try to arrive at a "just" result, because there are always unintended consequences.

In this case, if they had not blown the no-call on the foul, and had instead called a shooting foul, OKC gets 2 free throws. At worst, the game is tied and Clips get a chance to win. Because the refs decided to make their own rules, OKC gets a 3 and gets a better result with the "end justifies the means" call than they would have otherwise. Unintended consequences.

League needs to make a statement on this. If I was Silver, I'd suspend the refs involved in this decision for the rest of the playoffs and make clear to the public that the rules govern and the refs are required to apply the rules. We can forgive blown calls - it's part of the sport. We can't forgive intentional circumvention of the rules by any person, whether owner, player, or ref.

On a side note, they oughtta make refs blow the whistle when a foul happens and not 2 seconds later when the shot attempt rolls out. I saw it several times in a Heat game, where the ref was clearly waiting to see if the layup was going in after the contact to decide whether to call a foul. The ball rolls off, whistle. If it had gone it, no whistle.

It's about the integrity of the game. Apply the rules.
 
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I definitely do when I point out that we want OKC to win.

The idea that Brooks is going to get fired if the Thunder lose, and that Ollie is gone if he does, isn't supported by facts. His "connection" to OKC consists of one season when he was a rarely-used bench player, and a rumored assistant job that he turned down to be an assistant at UConn.
 
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The reaction to this is a microcosm of law in this country.
The rules are clear - can't overturn foul/no foul call on replay. Can overturn out of bounds on replay.
Refs used the out of bounds replay opportunity to reverse a non-reversible call.
I think most reasonable viewers agree on that fact pattern.
The difference is that some people believe that it's an abuse of the rules, and some think it's justice.

I've always been an apply-the-rules guy. If you don't like the results, change the rules by the prescribed process. But don't circumvent the rules to try to arrive at a "just" result, because there are always unintended consequences.

League needs to make a statement on this. If I was Silver, I'd suspend the refs involved in this decision for the rest of the playoffs and make clear to the public that the rules govern and the refs are required to apply the rules. We can forgive blown calls - it's part of the sport. We can't forgive intentional circumvention of the rules by any person, whether owner, player, or ref.
about the integrity of the game. Apply the rules.
I'm on the side of the just outcome. The replay rules are not somehow the new bible of basketball and the overuse of replay mostly hurts (delay) not helps the game. Gurley is right that 100% of the time in NBA, college and pickup basketball that ball is ruled out of bounds off the defender. The purpose of the rules is to make the game better, entertaining and more fair and over-applying replay minutiae detracts from the spirit of the game.

Now unfortunately the foul call on Chris Paul was BS so that makes the entire out of bounds debate much more meaningful than it should be.
 
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