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I didn't start the insults if you see. I didn't list the players I was said to be suggesting. I merely said the Sox overhype their 2nd tier prospects and that I was fine with it for trade purposes, but many of these guys are borderline at best.

I was called a "clown" and then words were put in my mouth. I questioned if he could read because he apparently can't.


Excalibur said:
So much fail in this post . . . .

If you're going to try to insult someone's intelligence, you better make damn sure that you know what you're talking about, and that you actually took the time to read the post you're responding to.

Oh, and yes, I went to UConn. I'm one of the guys that increases the value of your degree.
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Leading Single A? Huge. Wasn't JBJ projected as a future HOF when he played in Greenville?



Stairmaster said:
Just saw on Twitter that Yoan Moncada is 27-29 in SB attempts. Still a bust?
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JSM1970 said:
Leading Single A? Huge. Wasn't JBJ projected as a future HOF when he played in Greenville?
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So he'll be a JBJ-level bust then. Got it, Sherlock.
 
JSM1970 said:
Leading Single A? Huge. Wasn't JBJ projected as a future HOF when he played in Greenville?
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Actually, JBJ played his first full professional season with Advanced A Salem where is was pretty sensational. .359 BA .480 OBP with 52 walks against 40 K's. His second best season in the minors is this year at 3A Pawtucket where he is hitting .305 with a .382 OBP. He is a superb center fielder with a cannon for an arm. He is fast and oddly is one of the few players who has never been caught stealing. You may recall that he came out of South Carolina which is a very good baseball school. Why all of this has not translated into a solid major leaguer is a mystery to me. I fear that if we trade him, he may become very good somewhere.

Yoan Moncada just turned 20 and is playing regularly for the first time in a year. Since July 1 he has been hitting very well and perhaps the rust is wearing off. As I mentioned in an earlier post, he is very fast but has committed an alarming number of errors as a second baseman. Most of the throwing variety. He is a switch hitter. I think the Sox are considering moving him up but may keep him at Greenville as he adapts to life in the U.S.A.
 
Deepster said:
Just curious how Betts is a "borderline all star"? Pretty sure every major league roster has a "Betts" on it.
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Mookie Betts is 29th in WAR in MLB.
There are only 2 other 22 year olds in the top 30 in WAR. Bryce Harper and Manny Machado.

But yep, every team has a "Betts" on it.

Keep up the good work genius.
 
The Viking said:
Liked his performance overall. I'd like to see him locate his fastball a bit better though and the 0-2 curveball to the LF (forgot his name) was brutal pitch selection....and that started his quick exit.
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Owens has to locate his fastball because his velocity is below average. Nothing wrong with an 0-2 curveball as long as it isn't a strike; good call , bad execution.
 
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Betts is up to .282 and his numbers are really good for a leadoff guy minus OBP. I think that will get better with maturity though, he's a nice player.

JBJ is hotter than horse piss, hitting HR's at a clip he has never sen before. Is he rooming with Papi?
 
mauconnfan said:
Betts is up to .282 and his numbers are really good for a leadoff guy minus OBP. I think that will get better with maturity though, he's a nice player.

JBJ is hotter than horse piss, hitting HR's at a clip he has never sen before. Is he rooming with Papi?
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Shame, shame, Mau. This young outfield had 9 hits yesterday to help your Yankees close the gap. You owe us.
 
60'sfan said:
Shame, shame, Mau. This young outfield had 9 hits yesterday to help your Yankees close the gap. You owe us.
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60's all good. But as far as Red Sox fans i owe you nothing ;) I gave credit to Mookie right?
 
Stairmaster said:
So he'll be a JBJ-level bust then. Got it, Sherlock.
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I'll take that. JBJ's right shoulder is no longer flying out. He may be the best CF in baseball right now or at the very least one of them and I look to see Betts (who is also very good) moving to LF.
Besides pitching the only thing that concerns me with this team is power in the middle of the lineup especially after Papi retires.
 
Danzz said:
I'll take that. JBJ's right shoulder is no longer flying out. He may be the best CF in baseball right now or at the very least one of them and I look to see Betts (who is also very good) moving to LF.
Besides pitching the only thing that concerns me with this team is power in the middle of the lineup especially after Papi retires.
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Yeah no doubt give me JBJ over McCutcheon all day! :eek: Smart move for Dombrowski is let him finish strong and trade his a** while his Kevin Maas end of year is hot and keep Mookie in CF. And I think he will.
 
Danzz said:
I'll take that. JBJ's right shoulder is no longer flying out. He may be the best CF in baseball right now or at the very least one of them and I look to see Betts (who is also very good) moving to LF.
Besides pitching the only thing that concerns me with this team is power in the middle of the lineup especially after Papi retires.
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Here's a thought. Trade the Panda if you can. Move Hanley to third with the possibility of moving him to Dan Hurley when Papi retires. Hanley's value is at an all-time low right now and the Sox would end up paying him anyway.

I really like the outfield as it is configured. The only one I'm not sure of is Castillo. Can't tell if he is inexperienced or he is the second coming of Smead Jolley.
 
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60'sfan said:
Here's a thought. Trade the Panda if you can. Move Hanley to third with the possibility of moving him to Dan Hurley when Papi retires. Hanley's value is at an all-time low right now and the Sox would end up paying him anyway.

I really like the outfield as it is configured. The only one I'm not sure of is Castillo. Can't tell if he is inexperienced or he is the second coming of Smead Jolley.
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Castillo has a gun for an arm, RF is probably his position. He is still learning and I think his decision making in all areas of the game has improved. Have to remember that he hadn't played for 2 years. All 3 can play CF. They won't be able to trade Panda unless they eat a lot of cash. 3B for Hanley makes a lot of sense and the Sox need his rh bat in the lineup.
 
Danzz said:
Castillo has a gun for an arm, RF is probably his position. He is still learning and I think his decision making in all areas of the game has improved. Have to remember that he hadn't played for 2 years. All 3 can play CF. They won't be able to trade Panda unless they eat a lot of cash. 3B for Hanley makes a lot of sense and the Sox need his rh bat in the lineup.
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Guys I doubt Hanley can play anywhere anymore - the guy lost his agility in a HUGE way. Not sure why, I can only guess but this isn't close to the guy who played a decent SS a few back!
 
mauconnfan said:
Guys I doubt Hanley can play anywhere anymore - the guy lost his agility in a HUGE way. Not sure why, I can only guess but this isn't close to the guy who played a decent SS a few back!
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I think you're right. The Sox have to cut him loose.
 
mauconnfan said:
Guys I doubt Hanley can play anywhere anymore - the guy lost his agility in a HUGE way. Not sure why, I can only guess but this isn't close to the guy who played a decent SS a few back!
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He certainly doesn't have the agility of a SS, even a bad one. Maybe 1B but he would have to have worked out there from spring training. Hanley is still a hell of a hitter but I never liked the guy even in his prime. Even Cherington admitted that he was a bad signing.
Sandoval is another bad signing for the money they are paying him. You can live with him at 3B even though he can't go to his left at all. Fortunately at 3B there isn't a lot of room to cover to his left but somebody has make the fat ass lose 30 lbs. I haven't seen a good hitter swing at so many bad balls since Yogi Berra.
 
No easy answers with the Panda and Hanley. They were both bad signings. I think the best way out is to trade the Panda (if you can) and eat some salary and put Hanley on third. He has played 99 games there and although he was not great, he at least has some experience there. Not only is the Panda unable to go to his left but he cannot come in on bunts or slowly hit balls. I cannot remember one time this year when he threw out someone on a slow ground ball. He usually just ends up holding it. His batting skills at the plate have been steadily deteriorating. He is currently at career lows for BA, OBP and OPS. His ratio of walks per strikeouts is also at a career low.

I would definitely not try Hanley on first. He will just make the rest of the infield look bad. At third, he might be able to hit enough to offset his defensive weaknesses and get to the point that he is tradable. Long term, I don't want to see either on the Sox.
 
Danzz said:
. Hanley is still a hell of a hitter but I never liked the guy even in his prime. Even Cherington admitted that he was a bad signing.
Sandoval is another bad signing for the money they are paying him. You can live with him at 3B even though he can't go to his left at all. Fortunately at 3B there isn't a lot of room to cover to his left but somebody has make the fat ass lose 30 lbs. I haven't seen a good hitter swing at so many bad balls since Yogi Berra.
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He is at .8 offensive WAR for the year(-1.2 WAR overall, wow), that is awful. Especially with a .291 OBP while they are paying him almost $23 million a year for the next four years. Adding Sandoval at -.7 WAR with an $18 million salary might be, as a combo, the worst two free agent signings for one team of all time.
 
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Doesn't all the young players mean that Farrell has to be replaced? He botched the Bogaerts situation last year, insisting he move to 3rd to make room for the horrible Steven Drew. He refused to give JBJ a decent chance. Bradley's thrived in Farrell's absence.
 
zyron said:
He is at .8 offensive WAR for the year(-1.2 WAR overall, wow), that is awful. Especially with a .291 OBP while they are paying him almost $23 million a year for the next four years. Adding Sandoval at -.7 WAR with an $18 million salary might be, as a combo, the worst two free agent signings for one team of all time.
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No question both have not had good years
Waquoit said:
Doesn't all the young players mean that Farrell has to be replaced? He botched the Bogaerts situation last year, insisting he move to 3rd to make room for the horrible Steven Drew. He refused to give JBJ a decent chance. Bradley's thrived in Farrell's absence.
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Bradley thrived because he changed his hitting approach and style with Chili Davis.It had little to do with Farrell. JBJ just wasn't ready last year.
To be fair to Farrell, Bogarts didn't look like he had the range and quickness to be an everyday SS last year. He went to a camp and worked on his quickness all winter and we are seeing the results this year. He still only has adequate range but he is definitely good enough to play SS everyday. The Sox are looking strong up the middle for a lot of years to come if they can keep them all.
I'm not a huge fan f Farrell's approach to the game on offense. Sox players were taking too many pitches and that is fine if you can be a Boggslike 2 strike hitter. But there were too many players (Napoli comes to mind) that were not good 2 strike hitters and those batters needed to be swinging at strikes early in the count. This is the biggest difference I see with Lovollo.
 
Some are giving Lovullo credit for the Red Sox turn-around and he has done a pretty good job but I think that it is mostly Dombrowski. Not that he has engineered a lot of changes but rather he is someone who poses a threat to the organization. The Red Sox were too complacent under Farrell and Cherrington and had no fire in them. Since Dombrowski has arrived, they are clearly playing better and with enthusiasm. It is almost the same impact that George Steinbrenner had with the Yankees. Everyone knew that if they didn't play hard they could be dumped. I still remember the heart to heart he had with Jeter have his average fell to .280. Shortly after that Jeter caught fire.
 
The Viking said:
Bogaerts and Betts are the first pair of Red Sox 22 year olds to reach base 200+ times in the same year since 1966 when Tony Conigliaro and George Scott did it.

Pretty damn impressive.
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Tony C and Boomer - wow!
 
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Conigliaro was on his way to a hall of fame career. The youngest guy in AL history to reach 100 home runs. Then he gets beaned in the eye and the rest is history.

Playing the what if game, I think its safe to say that if he never gets beaned in the eye and Rice doesn't have his wrist broken just before the playoffs, that 1975 WS lineup would have had a cakewalk to a championship. Conigliaro would be 30 and still a factor, probably about 350 HR's or so under his belt at that point.

C Fisk
1B Yaz
2B Griffin?
3B Petrocelli
SS Burleson
LF Rice
CF Lynn
RF Evans
Dan Hurley Conigliaro

Griffin, Burleson and Rico weren't much offensively but the others were all damn good. Heart of the lineup being something like Lynn/Rice/Yaz/Conigliaro/Fisk/Evans..plus you'd still have guys like Carbo and Cecil Cooper coming off the bench to hit for the bottom 3 in big spots.

Hell the outfield alone Rice/Lynn/Evans were 22, 22 and 23 years old. Geezus.

Oh well, what ifs.
 
Tony C would have been mentioned up there with Yaz and Williams no doubt. Stud - really sad!
 
Petrocelli and his Fenway swing hit 40 homers in 1969 and close to 30 a couple of other times.
 
JSM1970 said:
it seems to be a n unwritten rule they are overhyped. I'm fine if they use as a means to trade for legit players, but having to see the effects of Swihart, JBJ, Matt Barnes, Travis Shaw, Vasquez, weeks, etc. is painful. What a mess.
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It appears this original post may have been a bit hasty? Hopefully JSM has had a chance to see JBJ Swihart and Shaw all unleash holy hell in the new YS.
 
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