Rebounding

[HeGotGame]

This will bother all the "chuckleheads" who are deeply offended by someone questioning the "kids" and espically their effort, but here is the reality.

A huge factor in this losing streak is rebounding and what is rebounding? Effort.

Go back and watch the last three games and watch the players on UConn, outside of Roscoe Smith, when a shot is in the air, how many of them box out? Boxing out and rebounding is 80% effort and hustle. They got crushed on the glass in the 1st half against Cuse, Cuse is 117th in the country in rebounding. PC outrebounded, for Christs sake Marquette out rebounded them and Marquette has no one taller than 6'7. Crowder had 12 boards and he is 6'6. Nova crushed them on the boards.

If the team continues to watch the ball go up and not take the time and put in the effort to box out and push people around for a rebound we will continue to lose. Since Blaney has taken over we have outrebounded 2 teams, DePaul and Seton Hall, both wins.

 

[mauconnfan]

This will bother all the "chuckleheads" who are deeply offended by someone questioning the "kids" and espically their effort, but here is the reality.

A huge factor in this losing streak is rebounding and what is rebounding? Effort.

Go back and watch the last three games and watch the players on UConn, outside of Roscoe Smith, when a shot is in the air, how many of them box out? Boxing out and rebounding is 80% effort and hustle. They got crushed on the glass in the 1st half against Cuse, Cuse is 117th in the country in rebounding. PC outrebounded, for Christs sake Marquette out rebounded them and Marquette has no one taller than 6'7. Crowder had 12 boards and he is 6'6. Nova crushed them on the boards.

If the team continues to watch the ball go up and not take the time and put in the effort to box out and push people around for a rebound we will continue to lose. Since Blaney has taken over we have outrebounded 2 teams, DePaul and Seton Hall, both wins.

I agree although I am curious as to why you said outside of Roscoe? He's had 7 boards in his last 2 games (much better on offense mind you) and only 3 on the defensive end.........was handled by Batts at crunch time and cannot be left out for bodying people out....nor can alex, tyler and even Andre to an extent.....his 12 rebounds do make a difference and it is tough to ask for more, but he CAN get more with some harder work. Easily 18 the other night if he worked.......

Rebounding is huge and the bigs do a very bad job of it......Huskies are known to have a major "+" most years on rebounding advantage, which leads to fastbreaks, 2nd chance points, FT's etc etc.................agree

 

[HeGotGame]

I feel like roscoe has done the best job putting his body on a man over the last few games but maybe I am wrong. You right about the end of the pc game with him though. But over the last 10 min of the pc game I don't think I saw one box out.

Andre should have 12 rebounds by tip with his body and atheltism.

 

[superjohn]

I was just going to post something similar. It is amazing to me how bad we are at boxing out and controlling the boards. Oriakhi was very up and down last year but he had performances like the Texas game where he had like 20 rebounds and dominated the #4 draft pick Tristan Thompson, he also dominated Michigan State's tough frontcourt and same against Butler. He hasn't done it once this year, I just don't understand how that completely disappears. Drummond also has no understanding on boxing out, he would dominate everyone in the country if he would just box out and use his body. I haven't been able to watch us in person because I live in a different part of the country but my buddy was at the Syracuse game and he said you don't really notice on tv like you do in person but it was shocking how lazy Drummond is, he said half the time he doesn't make it past halfcourt on plays and almost never puts a body on his man, he simply get rebounds because of his length.

 

[CTKIDD]

good points by all. not sure if Im ready to put Drummond in the lazy category. More like low on the BB ball 101 skills category. Its clear by now boxing out and posting up is not in his repetoire. Probably due to never having to. But ith 1 game to go, most of that has to go on the staff.. If I saw him posting up, and bazz or boat wasnt feeding him I would digress..

 

[superjohn]

I've never thought of Drummond as lazy he just has so many bad habits and it seems the staff has done a poor job of correcting them. I also never noticed him not making it past halfcourt on many plays, I find this hard to believe because he's so fast but my friend said it was noticeable at the game. You have to wonder if it's time to bring in a bigman coach with the lack of development we've seen from the bigs.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

good points by all. not sure if Im ready to put Drummond in the lazy category. More like low on the BB ball 101 skills category. Its clear by now boxing out and posting up is not in his repetoire. Probably due to never having to. But ith 1 game to go, most of that has to go on the staff.. If I saw him posting up, and bazz or boat wasnt feeding him I would digress..

I kinda think he is a space cadet who zones out and forgets what he is supposed to do. When a shot goes up, he stands there and watches it and makes no move to rush in to try to get position to rebound. It's kind of remarkable, actually, that he continues to do this type of thing this late in the year. He has never been sat down after making boneheaded plays, not once that I can recall. By contrast, Giffey has been pulled out and screamed at for other people's mistakes. I don't care that he wasn't yelled at, but I do think that he has been given radically different treatment from nearly all of our players and I don't think it has helped him one bit.

 

[HeGotGame]

I've never thought of Drummond as lazy he just has so many bad habits and it seems the staff has done a poor job of correcting them. I also never noticed him not making it past halfcourt on many plays, I find this hard to believe because he's so fast but my friend said it was noticeable at the game. You have to wonder if it's time to bring in a bigman coach with the lack of development we've seen from the bigs.

I haven't seen him that far back, but going to games you can definitely tell the effort is lacking in a lot of phases of his game.

Also, your point about AO above is right on and again I think it simply comes down to effort, with his size and skill there no reason for him to be as bad as he has been on the boards.

 

[mauconnfan]

Besides losing JC this has been the single most puzzling flaw of the team. I mean they are bigger than most teams, and usually as strong/stronger physically. The only person who consistently boxes out is Giffey and he also is pretty active being around the ball. Reading rebounds is very important if you're not boxing out and understanding percentages....but we have noone who is very good at that. I realize these guys played HS basketball and were bigger at times and got rebounds just because, but it's over. Hard work on every play, no taking plays off and this team would be looking to see where they would be seeded from 3-5 now......and again when I say "hard work" and "taking plays off" I am not contending they aren't working to win. I mean realize just jumping to the ball, not playing your man and trying to block a shot when you shouldn't and playing your man while being there to box him out, that's obvious what it takes!! When you're a big playing 25-30 minutes and you get 4 boards you need to change your attitude towards reb9unding, look at Rodman tapes, something....I cannot believe any big could accept that number and not be in foul trouble to boot. They never go over the back because we're not close to the ball, they never push anyone under the basket because........well I guess they don't want to get in foul trouble!?

Rebounding is passion, boxing out is fun-it's a battle to get to the ball first - a game within a game......the bigs need to man up and show some pride against Pitt and own the boards like UConn teams of the past. Body on every shot, everyone do their job and we win!! never too late...can't see it suddenly happen....but if they show them the tapes of the last few minutes and the passion the Friars played with they hopefully will be embarrassed enough to work like crazed dogs from here on in!!

Hears to hopin...........

 

[jdb50]

Having seen Drummond steal the ball and then dribble it in at 60 mph and dunk like he's playing with an 8 foot tall hoop I can't believe how much of the time he trots down court and doesn't get involved in plays. There are too many times when he looks like Chief from Cuckoos Nest. Just looking up as a shot heads to the rim. Him and Oriaki not boxing out is the norm. They don't like too assert themselves and so they are happy doing radio interviews after games where the other team which was smaller in height but tougher kicked their butts. My wife commented that Lamb looked like a new born foal against the Friars as he was constantly falling down. Last year he was getting into the passing lanes and getting steals. This year he can't ever get his hands on the ball. Think about how many loose balls we can't come up with. The will to win against a tough opponent is not there for these guys. Maybe thinking about it all summer will motivate them, maybe not. The biggest problem on our 3 point D is we defend with our feet inside the 3 point line. You have to get outside the line and push the shooters back but that takes effort. Other teams do it to us. The coaching has been lousey to not make the changes to correct what are basic fundamentals.

 

[jibsey]

Not ready to bash Drummond when he gets 14 boards no matter how he does it.

 

[HeGotGame]

Not ready to bash Drummond when he gets 14 boards no matter how he does it.

If you are going to be one of those ignorant fans who can only look at stats and not how the games are actually played at least get the stats right, he averages under 8 rebounds a game.

He has had over 14 rebounds a grand total of 0 times.

Thanks for your input though.

 

[jibsey]

I see him boxing when shots go up maybe not everytime but rebounding is not where he needs most improvement, alley oops no problem either but frankly laying blame at an 18 year old freshman's feet is silly IMO because I think he has done well , but I guess he was expected to come in and dominate his first year because he is a lottery pick.

 

[Palatine]

Roscoe may not have the best rebounding numbers but if you watch the games, he is very active on both ends and competes the best of any Husky when the ball comes off the rim.

 

[HeGotGame]

The rebounding continues to kill this team. 9 offensive rebounds so far

 

[Rico444]

13 offensive boards for WVU in the first half. If we go out early in the tournament, it will be because of this. No question.

 

[benjordan]

I have no idea why they haven't learned to rebound yet. How hard is it to box out?

 

[ATLDYKA]

With the size we have there is no excuse for it. It is unbelievably bad right now.

 

[ASweet3781]

While you might not like the excuse, we have size but no strength (Giffey, Olander, even Drummond) and weak hands (Oriakhi). Smith probably the best rebounder but our guys get pushed around and give up position a lot. Makes you wonder about our strength program.

 

[Palatine]

Rebounding is mostly about position.

We don't block out and let guys get good position. They have good effort.

 

[SouthTampaBill]

Funny every game you hear the announcers talk about our size and most every game smaller teams out rebound us.

Particularly distressing is when you see 3 or 4 of our guys under the hoop and the opponent gets the rebound.

If they lose this one they are a one and out in the NCAA's (if they are invited)

 

[SouthTampaBill]

Just now 4 Uconn playesr under the hoop and a guard drives in and scores. WTF?

 

[SouthTampaBill]

When I played HS ball many years ago, AO and AD would be called because of their lack of physical effort considering their height and weight.

How about freaking hammering someone just once, knocking them to the ground and say no one drives down the lane on us.

 

[HeGotGame]

Rebounding is mostly about position.

We don't block out and let guys get good position. They have good effort.

If you think the effort is good your not watching the game. The effort is embarrasing

 

[SouthTampaBill]

Calhoun is going to quit after this season. What a lack of effort and balls with this team today.

We will lose Lamb and Drummond only adding Omar Calhoun.

UConn will become Seton Hall next year. Ugh