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Is it possible that hip surgery he underwent this past summer is affecting his game? I can imagine a surgery like that might through off your shot and your game. I don't think he played all summer because of it. Makes me think as he gets back into playing regularly, his shot will find him again as will the rest of his game.
 
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Im kind of surprised people have not brought this up more when talking about his struggles so far. Im sure that easily could have something to do with it.
 
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Shooting is a rhythm thing - like a baseball swing or a golf swing. Being idle for a long time can get you out of rhythm and it can be a fight to get it back. And Sometimes, you get a false positive. You jump right back in and score 56 at MSG, or go 4-for-5, or you hit a golf ball perfectly in your first time out on the course in months. But thats often just because you aren't thinking and succeeding on instinct. But when you hit a snag, you start thinking, and it can be tough to get back on track.
 
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I think injuries have something to do with it. But in all honesty, he shot 32% from 3 last year and is at 33% this year. Last year he was 40% from the floor, he's 38% this year. All of his numbers are pretty much the same with diminished minutes. Is it possible that this is more or less who he is? An extremely streaky shooter/scorer who lacks the other "typical" (handling, passing, athleticism) skills of a swingman? Basically Rashad without the "dagger" ability?
 
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The KO show tonight with Joe D. was interesting...

Some interesting choice of words. "Hopefully he will be here" being something that stood out for next year relating to Omar. Always tough I suppose trying to balance the mins this year and look to the future. Pretty obvious how KO's mind is working with Omar. Fluedy no water balloons please. :) I don't have the full transcript.

Kind of an understatement how high KO regards DHam and Sam Jr. Raved about Hamilton. Compared to Rip with a better shot.

Competition will be there next year and Boat will do what he thinks is best for himself and his family on the NBA/Boat stuff. Will always have a home to come back to at UConn per KO.

Team worked on defending the pick and roll today along with free throw shooting.

Jake V. on the show tonight celebrating the 15th anniversary of our first title. Just loved the part on how Calhoun made the team mentally tough that year. If they were up 15-20 on a lesser team JC would come into the locker room and absolutely rip the team to shreds preparing them for tougher competition. KO responded that he tries to instill the same message but in a different way than JC. Also stated he would love it if Jake would come to practice and help teach his bigs how to set Jake type screens.

Team not getting a big head with the #9 ranking...trying to peak at the right time.
 

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It's kind of our custom to have a whipping boy every year. This year Calhoun and Nolan are kind of sharing the position.
 
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I think injuries have something to do with it. But in all honesty, he shot 32% from 3 last year and is at 33% this year. Last year he was 40% from the floor, he's 38% this year. All of his numbers are pretty much the same with diminished minutes. Is it possible that this is more or less who he is? An extremely streaky shooter/scorer who lacks the other "typical" (handling, passing, athleticism) skills of a swingman? Basically Rashad without the "dagger" ability?

I think you picked the wrong 6'5"ish swingman from that class - don't think Omar's game resembles Rashad's in any respect (either good or bad). Denham, on the other hand, is a decent comparison.

It's probably true that OC's never going to wow us with his FG percentages, but last year he struck me as a tough, fearless SOB; a true JC kid. The kind of guy you deride as overrated when he's on the other team (and not without cause), until he makes some huge play to kill you (and his team wins).

I don't sense the same fearlessness this year so far, and I think there's no question it's due to the injury.

I also think the OP made an excellent post and it's utterly ludicrous that a UConn board has so many posters willing to jump on a UConn kid coming off a summer without basketball for not looking sharp in the early season.
 
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I think you picked the wrong 6'5"ish swingman from that class - don't think Omar's game resembles Rashad's in any respect (either good or bad). Denham, on the other hand, is a decent comparison..

Rashad, to me, was a one dimensional player- but that one dimension was extraordinary. Rash didn't handle very well, pass very well (or often) defend, or help much on the boards. But he was a fearless killer as a shooter. Denham had a lot more to his game and was much more athletic than he was given credit for.

To me, Omar is much more Rashad than he is Denham. Omar, when he was "right" last year, was a guy who will take and make tough shots. While he has shown a decent floater, he still lacks adequate handling, passing, defending, and rebounding skills for a guy playing his position; all things that Denham was bare minimum average at doing.

Either way, I'd LOVE Omar to be Rash or Denham. KOs quote is disturbing as it shows that there may be issues and KO has no issue recruiting over him. I find it interesting b/c there was a thread the other day about how Calipari is a scumbag for screwing Alex Poythress for recruiting over him. Every coach does and should do this and KOs quote shows that he is doing it as well.
 
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I think injuries have something to do with it. But in all honesty, he shot 32% from 3 last year and is at 33% this year. Last year he was 40% from the floor, he's 38% this year. All of his numbers are pretty much the same with diminished minutes. Is it possible that this is more or less who he is? An extremely streaky shooter/scorer who lacks the other "typical" (handling, passing, athleticism) skills of a swingman? Basically Rashad without the "dagger" ability?

Or the shooting ability. Omar isn't even remotely close to the shooter rashad was
 
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I think you picked the wrong 6'5"ish swingman from that class - don't think Omar's game resembles Rashad's in any respect (either good or bad). Denham, on the other hand, is a decent comparison.
I have to almost completely, but respectfully, disagree.

Denham had an all around game - he could shoot from anywhere on the court, he had a decent handle, and he could drive. He saw the court well. He could pass. He looked very comfortable and natural handling the ball in the half court or on the run. He was athletic. Really loved him as a player, and always thought that his numbers at UConn didn't reflect his talent only because he was on some LOADED teams. I mean stacked. When you have 4 NBA guys around you, you don't get the touches you might otherwise get. Could have easily been the star on any mid-major and could easily have been a very important player on any top 10 team.

Rashad was a one trick pony, but I don't mean that in a bad way. He was flat out the best 3-point shooter in the clutch our school has ever had (with Bazz closing quickly). His shot was gorgeous and merciless, and he could get it off in a heartbeat with a guy draped all over him. Truly a one-of-a-kind player who was a vital component to the teams on which he played. But his handle was very weak, his passing was iffy, and his overall game was not commensurate with his wonderful shot. He was not particularly athletic, to boot.

So to whom does Omar compare more closely? Clearly Rashad.

Omar has a relatively weak handle (but better than Rashad's). He is a three point specialist (although he has shown some ability to drive and shoot 10 footers). He looks uncomfortable dribbling and turns it over a lot. He appears to have very little concept of passing, and I have witnessed him with the ball on several 3 on 1s choose to bull to the rim rather than make the pass for the easier shot. Problem is, he has not been a particular effective 3 point shooter. Which is odd, given that, at times, last year, he seemed to have a dead eye. I suppose we remember the good times better than the bad (or how else would you explain why many of us are still married?;)).

I'd conclude that Omar is 80% like Rashad with his propensity and penchant for shooting the 3 ball, and 20% like Denham for his driving to the rim and/or pulling up, and his athleticism, but not as effective as either.

So what's up with him? Hard to say. Surgery could definitely have had an impact, but, as a poster above noted, his numbers really are not different from last year. I suppose we're all just hoping that Omar will take a step up from last year and improve his shot by 5% and boards by a couple a game, and so on. Has not happened, and we're a third into the year.

Regarding Ollie's quote, it's tough to interpret out of context, but he seems to be suggesting that Omar is unhappy with his minutes, and that that may result in Omar wanting to transfer next year.

Who would the starting 5 be next year?

Boatright/Purvis/Hamilton/Facey/Brimah?
If not Boat, then Terrence.

So Calhoun, absent a great showing in the final 2/3rds of the year, is looking squarely in the face of losing minutes going forward, potentially losing his starting spot this year, and probably not getting it back next year when the DHam stud train pulls in.

He stayed through the ban. He seems to play hard, and I'll support him as long as he does that.

That all written, based on Ollie's words, Omar may be goin' more than he's comin' right now.
 
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His shooting form is very poor. I wonder if any of the coaches have worked with him on changing it, or if they just accept that the way he does it is going to be the most successful way for him. Short term it would probably hurt his shooting even more, but long term improving his form may help.
 
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Rashad, to me, was a one dimensional player- but that one dimension was extraordinary. Rash didn't handle very well, pass very well (or often) defend, or help much on the boards. But he was a fearless killer as a shooter. Denham had a lot more to his game and was much more athletic than he was given credit for.

To me, Omar is much more Rashad than he is Denham. Omar, when he was "right" last year, was a guy who will take and make tough shots. While he has shown a decent floater, he still lacks adequate handling, passing, defending, and rebounding skills for a guy playing his position; all things that Denham was bare minimum average at doing.

Either way, I'd LOVE Omar to be Rash or Denham. KOs quote is disturbing as it shows that there may be issues and KO has no issue recruiting over him. I find it interesting b/c there was a thread the other day about how Calipari is a scumbag for screwing Alex Poythress for recruiting over him. Every coach does and should do this and KOs quote shows that he is doing it as well.

Hey boog. I hope the evening is bringing you great happiness and prosperity.

If you are referring to tonight's Coaches Talk with KO you could reasonably assume that KO has an MO that revolves around recruiting the best players and letting competition dictate PT. I think tonight's show however indicated that KO is trying to make some very difficult calls on PT. It is the nature of the beast that kids will transfer because playing time/position becomes an issue. I have no doubt in my mind KO will continue to give Omar every chance possible to be successful this year.

He wants Omar to be part of the UConn family.
 
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Hey boog. I hope the evening is bringing you great happiness and prosperity.

If you are referring to tonight's Coaches Talk with KO you could reasonably assume that KO has an MO that revolves around recruiting the best players and letting competition dictate PT. I think tonight's show however indicated that KO is trying to make some very difficult calls on PT. It is the nature of the beast that kids will transfer because playing time/position becomes an issue. I have no doubt in my mind KO will continue to give Omar every chance possible to be successful this year.

He wants Omar to be part of the UConn family.

Same to you Bluedog... Wasn't trying to imply that KO is trying to run people out or anything like that. All coaches try to bring in the best talent they can. If that is at the expense of players currently on the squad then that is the nature of the beast. I was just responding to a thread the other day concerning Calipari and his "scumbag" treatment of his current players by bring in one and doners. All coaches do it; JC did it and KO is doing it. If DHam is as good as advertised, then he is going to take some player's PT next year. I find KOs choice of words (did not hear it, just going on what was said here) to be a little troubling to imply that Omar is not happy now or KO presumes he will not be happy next year when additional talent in the form of Purvis, Cassell and DHam come on board.
 
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I have to almost completely, but respectfully, disagree.

Respectfully is unusual here (I am as guilty as the next), so thank you. I was trying to be respectful responding to boog as well, because I think he brings thoughtful comments to the table. These comments are in the same spirit.

Denham had an all around game - he could shoot from anywhere on the court, he had a decent handle, and he could drive. He could drive in one direction, he couldn't drive laterally around a defender very well.

He saw the court well. He could pass. Somewhat, no one would confuse him with magic.

He looked very comfortable and natural handling the ball in the half court or on the run. To me, Denham never looked particularly natural doing anything on the court other than his jumper. I will grant that his jumper was far prettier than Omar's.

He was athletic. He was athletic in the same way Omar is - much more athletic than I am but not the kind of player you look at and think 'what an athlete!' Stiff for a high level athlete but - as with Omar - tough.

Really loved him as a player, and always thought that his numbers at UConn didn't reflect his talent only because he was on some LOADED teams. I mean stacked. When you have 4 NBA guys around you, you don't get the touches you might otherwise get. Could have easily been the star on any mid-major and could easily have been a very important player on any top 10 team. I agree with all of this and it may end up true of Omar as well.

Rashad was a one trick pony, but I don't mean that in a bad way. He was flat out the best 3-point shooter in the clutch our school has ever had (with Bazz closing quickly). His shot was gorgeous and merciless, and he could get it off in a heartbeat with a guy draped all over him. Truly a one-of-a-kind player who was a vital component to the teams on which he played. But his handle was very weak, his passing was iffy, and his overall game was not commensurate with his wonderful shot. He was not particularly athletic, to boot. Agreed in all respects.

So to whom does Omar compare more closely? Clearly Rashad. I guess if I agreed in full with your characterization of Denham, this would follow, but I don't. As it is, I think you're dooming Omar to failure by comparing him to a cold blooded 3 point killer.

Omar has a relatively weak handle (but better than Rashad's). He is a three point specialist (although he has shown some ability to drive and shoot 10 footers). He looks uncomfortable dribbling and turns it over a lot. He appears to have very little concept of passing, and I have witnessed him with the ball on several 3 on 1s choose to bull to the rim rather than make the pass for the easier shot. To my mind, all of these comments could have applied to Denham, especially as a sophomore.

Problem is, he has not been a particular effective 3 point shooter. Which is odd, given that, at times, last year, he seemed to have a dead eye. I suppose we remember the good times better than the bad (or how else would you explain why many of us are still married?;)). Please don't tell my wife I drunkenly post on the boneyard as much as I do.

I'd conclude that Omar is 80% like Rashad with his propensity and penchant for shooting the 3 ball, and 20% like Denham for his driving to the rim and/or pulling up, and his athleticism, but not as effective as either. Propensity and penchant can change with surrounding teammates and coaching directives, as a type of player I'd say 80/20 the other way. Omar was not advertised as a three point stud coming in.

So what's up with him? Hard to say. Surgery could definitely have had an impact, but, as a poster above noted, his numbers really are not different from last year. I suppose we're all just hoping that Omar will take a step up from last year and improve his shot by 5% and boards by a couple a game, and so on. Has not happened, and we're a third into the year. Bazz, Boat, DD, etc spent the summer playing against Chris Paul and the best collegians at their positions. Omar couldn't even play pickup against schlepps like me this summer. Surely "a third of the year" is pretty meaningless given the kid's only been able to play for about a month.

Regarding Ollie's quote, it's tough to interpret out of context, but he seems to be suggesting that Omar is unhappy with his minutes, and that that may result in Omar wanting to transfer next year. You're saying it's tough to interpret what a quote seems to be suggesting when neither of us has heard the quote. No offense to Bluedog - I like Bluedog's stuff a lot - but he's the Otis Sistrunk of the board. And that's not an insult, because I loved Otis Sistrunk. And even if Ollie implied concerns about Omar's future, that's meaningless for this year.

Who would the starting 5 be next year?

Boatright/Purvis/Hamilton/Facey/Brimah?
If not Boat, then Terrence. Not really relevant, but could be Cassell as well.

So Calhoun, absent a great showing in the final 2/3rds of the year, is looking squarely in the face of losing minutes going forward, potentially losing his starting spot this year, and probably not getting it back next year when the DHam stud train pulls in. Or he could get it together, become a key contributor, and make himself a hard man to sit.

He stayed through the ban. He seems to play hard, and I'll support him as long as he does that. He also was really fired up when Bazz beat Florida and seems from a distance to remain bought in. At the end of the day, all I'd really ask is that people support the kid unless and until he gives them a reason not to. It's completely legit to discuss his pros and cons as a player (as your post, and boog's, and BlueDog's do) but it's another thing entirely to pile on him as selfish or otherwise a problem.

That all written, based on Ollie's words, Omar may be goin' more than he's comin' right now. We'll see.
 
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Hey boog it was probably me on Poythress but let's be honest there's a huge gap in the 2 players........If UConn had recruited the Harrison twins to play and told them they'd play over Bazz and Boat then KO would be scummy.....Poythress could and would start for 99% of every other team in the country and probably should even ay UK.........Omar, well he's on that line of solid players who play a position that there are so many good one's to recruit........He would hardly expect Cal to recruit a kid promising to start, which he is known to do! Poythress will turn out to be a real good kid if he stays after the finals end......or else he expects to NBA up after the season?

I've been watching Omar on the bench when possible, this is not a happy camper I can tell you that. I almost expect what the message insinuates quite honestly and it may be sooner than we think. A proud young man and good player but unfortunately for him doesn't want to share time.........could be interesting!
 
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i think most of Omar's problems are between his ears.. He seems to be forcing it..getting tunnel vision, and trying to do too much. He is a spot up shooter trying to take it to the rack, because his outside shot is not falling, only he does not have good handle and ends up taking a more difficult shot, than if he would have just caught and shot. he needs to let the game come to him, get a nice shooting rhythm, and not force things.
 

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I've been watching Omar on the bench when possible, this is not a happy camper I can tell you that. I almost expect what the message insinuates quite honestly and it may be sooner than we think. A proud young man and good player but unfortunately for him doesn't want to share time.........could be interesting!

That is interesting. It explains why Ollie keeps playing Omar, perhaps he's afraid of losing him (mentally, I mean). He can do that against the Maine's. It was telling that KO felt he couldn't afford having him out there against Florida.

I hope Omar uses the break to respond to the challenge instead of sulking. Giffey didn't sulk, he got better. Let's see Omar get better.
 
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That is interesting. It explains why Ollie keeps playing Omar, perhaps he's afraid of losing him (mentally, I mean). He can do that against the Maine's. It was telling that KO felt he couldn't afford having him out there against Florida.

I hope Omar uses the break to respond to the challenge instead of sulking. Giffey didn't sulk, he got better. Let's see Omar get better.
I've noticed omar has bad body language, or at least nothing compared to Giffey. He looks nervous, as though he needs to prove himself because he knows kromah+Giffey could usurp him. After the Maryland game, every important game Giffey has gotten more tick. IMO he needs to fall in the pecking order, allow him to start but give kromah and Giffey more minutes.
 

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Something I didn't mention in the original post was how glad I am he came here in the first place. He could have and some would argue should have backed out when the non-post season became inevitable. Without him I don't think last year goes anywhere as well for the team or Ollie. I think in the way DD took a while to find his role, Omar will have to do the same. He adds another factor we could use no doubt going forward. In March there's always that chance someone fouls out in an overtime game and we need another 3 pt shooter to step up. Would love to see him become our go-to 3 pt man in those situations.
 

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I am surprised how often I have to make the same post about the normal arc of this board with every UConn player over his 3-4 year career:

Recruit: Program savior
Freshman: Should play more
Sophomore: Player is a bust, fan base moves on to next program savior
Junior: Player is indispensable, fan base was always a huge fan of player, everyone hopes he doesn't go pro early.
Senior: next generation of Program Saviors are compared to player.

Calhoun is a sophomore. I don't know how good he will ever be, but it is likely going to be a lot better than he is playing now.
 
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I am surprised how often I have to make the same post about the normal arc of this board with every UConn player over his 3-4 year career:

Recruit: Program savior
Freshman: Should play more
Sophomore: Player is a bust, fan base moves on to next program savior
Junior: Player is indispensable, fan base was always a huge fan of player, everyone hopes he doesn't go pro early.
Senior: next generation of Program Saviors are compared to player.

Calhoun is a sophomore. I don't know how good he will ever be, but it is likely going to be a lot better than he is playing now.
Sure he could be better, still has had a horrid year despite getting plenty of opportunities. I have no qualms with Ollie doing what he's done, which is plant him on the bench if he isn't contributing. Come January , if niels is still shooting incredibly well, I'll be dumbfounded if he isn't rewarded a starters position and 25+ mpg.
 
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I am surprised how often I have to make the same post about the normal arc of this board with every UConn player over his 3-4 year career:

Recruit: Program savior
Freshman: Should play more
Sophomore: Player is a bust, fan base moves on to next program savior
Junior: Player is indispensable, fan base was always a huge fan of player, everyone hopes he doesn't go pro early.
Senior: next generation of Program Saviors are compared to player.

Calhoun is a sophomore. I don't know how good he will ever be, but it is likely going to be a lot better than he is playing now.

Just wondering if someone actually said he was a "bust"? I didn't see that one....what I do see is a lot of people wondering why the obvious struggle is happening and for good reason. We are fans after all and they have more than one player on the bench.........I am sure everyone joins me in saying we don't think he could ever be a bust and we just hope he gets back to making plays and gains his confidence back!
 

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Calhoun is struggling because he is a sophomore and is trying to do more than he did last year. Same reason Nolan is struggling.

The only thing that really concerns me about Calhoun is that his handle has not materially improved since last year. These kind of individual skills should show big improvements between freshman and sophomore years. He must have been told to work on that over the summer, and it isn't much better than last year. That means either a) he didn't work that hard on it, or b) he did and it just isn't getting better. I don't like either choice.

Calhoun is also a half step slow on his decisions, but there is not much anyone can do about that but get Calhoun more experience.

Unlike Facey or Samuels, whose minutes will wind down or disappear altogether in March, UConn actually needs Calhoun to be a productive part of the core rotation in order for UConn to make a deep run in March.
 
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