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This grinds my gears. UConn is better academically by a mile and woulda shored up the women’s game which is not nothing these days. Could also be perennial top 25 in basketball. Just so frustrating. I love our situation now though. From the looks of it the Big 12 is not dissolving in the way the AAC would want it to. Lots of poaching going on.
 
The problem with conferences is the bottom of them. Why should texas subsidize Baylor and Kansas football? Iowa State, why are then joined with Oklahoma and UConn and Cincinnati aren't. Things like that.

There are a lot of Power programs that are lifted because of their association with the top 30.
 
This grinds my gears. UConn is better academically by a mile and woulda shored up the women’s game which is not nothing these days. Could also be perennial top 25 in basketball. Just so frustrating. I love our situation now though. From the looks of it the Big 12 is not dissolving in the way the AAC would want it to. Lots of poaching going on.
Politics and the media framed Louisville as the underdog. Makes no strategic sense, but they got the pop they wanted. Considering what has happened since then with that AD department inclusion in the ACC is embarassing.
 
This grinds my gears. UConn is better academically by a mile and woulda shored up the women’s game which is not nothing these days. Could also be perennial top 25 in basketball. Just so frustrating. I love our situation now though. From the looks of it the Big 12 is not dissolving in the way the AAC would want it to. Lots of poaching going on.
Here are the three most important things to conference realignment:
1. money
2. money
3. money

things that aren’t important? Women’s basketball.

Academics is a facade the conferences use to beat their chests, but don’t mean a damn thing to the people pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Kansas just draws more eyeballs than UConn. Yes, even in football.
 
KU's all-time record in football is 588-650-58 (.476). Since 1890, KU has won six (6) bowl games. They are Rutgers-level bad historically. Worse even.


It's not good. But here is the all time records of all D1/FBS teams/games (even if not FBS now). KU is #197 winning percentage. UConn is #236. School Index | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

But none of that matters. The point is they aren't going independent for football or playing in an eastern league. I can see three scenarios.
1. Stay in some updated version of the Big 12
2. Go to the B1G if they expand
3. Go to the Pac

UT and OU did not join the recent Big 12 call. The Big 12 would ideally like to get the two Arizona schools (and Colorado back, perhaps with BYU) but it's not likely.

Lots of scenarios. If the B1G is adding two teams, one could be KU.

I think it's feasible that KU, K-State, Texas Tech/Baylor and Oklahoma State could join the Pac to get it to 16. The eastern Pod would then be those 4 plus Colorado, Utah, Arizona and ASU.
 
This grinds my gears. UConn is better academically by a mile and woulda shored up the women’s game which is not nothing these days. Could also be perennial top 25 in basketball. Just so frustrating. I love our situation now though. From the looks of it the Big 12 is not dissolving in the way the AAC would want it to. Lots of poaching going on.
A KU departure to the Big 10 (which I don't think would happen, you don't leak to the press you have a call to the Big 10 if it was legit being considered), would basically mean Big 12 is dead so Aresco and AAC leadership could rest easy. The AAC members obviously would have no where to go, though.
 
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A KU departure to the Big 10 (which I don't think would happen, you don't leak to the press you have a call to the Big 10 if it was legit being considered), would basically mean Big 12 is dead so Aresco and AAC leadership could rest easy. The AAC members obviously would have no where to go, though.

I think it's possible. KU + OSU to B1G (or Colorado in place of OSU). Then four Big XII teams to the Pac. The remaining teams keep the Big XII name and brand, and bring in the best of the rest, including AAC teams plus BYU, Boise, Colorado State. That is how you jettison ECU, Temple and Tulane.

I actually think that's a reasonably likely scenario.
 
Here are the three most important things to conference realignment:
1. money
2. money
3. money

things that aren’t important? Women’s basketball.

Academics is a facade the conferences use to beat their chests, but don’t mean a damn thing to the people pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Kansas just draws more eyeballs than UConn. Yes, even in football.

I don't know about that last sentence. It is an unfair comparison, they've been playing a Big 12 schedule. Our potential for streaming revenue is likely better with women's basketball having a huge following.

CT is a show me state. You have to win to get the audience. There is always a team around that area in one sport or another winning championships. New Englanders aren't going to hitch their wagon to a loser. Give UConn football an appealing schedule and money to support the football program and we'll find a way to win games like we do in all of the other sports and the audience will follow.
 
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Here are the three most important things to conference realignment:
1. money
2. money
3. money

things that aren’t important? Women’s basketball.

Academics is a facade the conferences use to beat their chests, but don’t mean a damn thing to the people pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Kansas just draws more eyeballs than UConn. Yes, even in football.
Are your last two sentences accurate? My guess is that would be hard to judge with UConn switching conferences and Kansas staying in the same conference. If in the same conference I would imagine UConn would bring more eyeballs considering CT. has a larger population and the NYC and Boston markets and Kansas has Kansas.
 
The path of least resistance is that the Big XII backfills with SMU and Houston, right?

The Big XII gets weaker, the AAC gets weaker.

I guess it was better we be in the Big East and watching this all from afar, assuming that we wouldn't have been a Big XII backfill candidate anyway.
 
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The problem with conferences is the bottom of them. Why should texas subsidize Baylor and Kansas football? Iowa State, why are then joined with Oklahoma and UConn and Cincinnati aren't. Things like that.
I went to the bowl game in Birmingham. The South Carolina fans were chanting "SEC!" in our hotel. I remember thinking we're not playing the SEC we're playing you guys.
 
Here are the three most important things to conference realignment:
1. money
2. money
3. money

things that aren’t important? Women’s basketball.

Academics is a facade the conferences use to beat their chests, but don’t mean a damn thing to the people pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Kansas just draws more eyeballs than UConn. Yes, even in football.

I would qualify your assertion about women's basketball in the new NIL world. Paige Bueckers and Azzi Fudd are going to be pulling in A LOT more bank than about 95% of P5 football players, and that prediction is conservative.
 
The path of least resistance is that the Big XII backfills with SMU and Houston, right?

The Big XII gets weaker, the AAC gets weaker.

I guess it was better we be in the Big East and watching this all from afar, assuming that we wouldn't have been a Big XII backfill candidate anyway.

I don't think UConn would have been a Big 12 backfill candidate.
 
Here are the three most important things to conference realignment:
1. money
2. money
3. money

things that aren’t important? Women’s basketball.

Academics is a facade the conferences use to beat their chests, but don’t mean a damn thing to the people pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Kansas just draws more eyeballs than UConn. Yes, even in football.

I forgot how much I hated conference realignment talk because of having to read stupidity like this.

You mean the school that sucks in football and gets to play Texas and Oklahoma on ESPN or ABC on Saturdays draws more than the school that sucks in football playing Tulane and East Carolina on CBS SportsNet and ESPNU? Let's reverse and see who draws more. Stupid.

Anyone who was at the Michigan game knows the state of Connecticut would make Big Ten-ACC football a madhouse that would draw in person and on TV.

Maybe you should stick to making the case of West Virginia to the ACC. Another stupid topic. Always forgot how weird it was during these realignment threads how our own fans would sabotage and diminish our case and overhype and over value competitors. Always thought it was weird. Still do.
 
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I forgot how much I hated conference realignment talk because of having to read stupidity like this.

You mean the school that sucks in football and gets to play Texas and Oklahoma on ESPN or ABC on Saturdays draws more than the school that sucks in football playing Tulane and East Carolina on CBS SportsNet and ESPNU? Let's reverse and see who draws more. Stupid.

Anyone who was at the Michigan game knows the state of Connecticut would make Big Ten-ACC football a madhouse that would draw in person and on TV.

Maybe you should stick to making the case of West Virginia to the ACC. Another stupid topic. Always forgot how weird it was during these realignment threads how our own fans would sabotage and diminish our case and overhype and over value competitors. Always thought it was weird. Still do.
Take off your blue tinted glasses. UConn football is the laughing stock of FBS level and has been for a decade. Kansas has at least been able to bring in big time brand name coaches, and while it didn’t work out it shows they are serious about trying to keep their football program alive.

UConn hasn’t been unable to field a competitive team in 5 years and have a disinterested fan base as a result. In that same time span we saw teams from our bad conference win NY6 bowl games, proving its possible to field a good team behind good coaches in a group of 5 league if the team has any brand recognition whatsoever, which UConn football does not.

While UConn has a great market in the highly populated northeast and national basketball following, UConn college football is far down the lists in the general populations sports interests. Meanwhile the 5 million hillbillies in West Virginia have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon than tune up their antenna televisions with a bottle of shine right off the still and cheer for the mountaineers. That moonshine money is way more appealing to the ACC or the Big10 than the 5 middle aged dudes drinking Sam adams and grilling gourmet burgers in blue lot outside their f150.

During the last round of realignments the word was that “UConn will always be there if/when we expand again”. Unfortunately UConn didn’t make any competent effort to make themselves a front runner when it has finally come time for the realignment to restart. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see what UConn has done since the last round of realignment to leapfrog schools like WVU or Kansas in the eyes of the ACC or Big10.
 
UConn went directly to a P6 conference from FCS (not counting that short Indy stay at the beginning) and finished .500 or higher 7 out of 11 years and had an overall winning percentage of 56%. The Rent rocked. UConn made 5 bowls. BCS appearance. Its easy to perform well when you have a good coach and you're in the haves vs have nots.

You can't compare schools with the fortune of being in a P5 conference vs a school that is a geographic and cultural outlier in a second tier conference (us in the AAC). UConn can absolutely be a successful program in a P5 conference but we just may never get the chance.
 
Take off your blue tinted glasses. UConn football is the laughing stock of FBS level and has been for a decade. Kansas has at least been able to bring in big time brand name coaches, and while it didn’t work out it shows they are serious about trying to keep their football program alive.

UConn hasn’t been unable to field a competitive team in 5 years and have a disinterested fan base as a result. In that same time span we saw teams from our bad conference win NY6 bowl games, proving its possible to field a good team behind good coaches in a group of 5 league if the team has any brand recognition whatsoever, which UConn football does not.

While UConn has a great market in the highly populated northeast and national basketball following, UConn college football is far down the lists in the general populations sports interests. Meanwhile the 5 million hillbillies in West Virginia have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon than tune up their antenna televisions with a bottle of shine right off the still and cheer for the mountaineers. That moonshine money is way more appealing to the ACC or the Big10 than the 5 middle aged dudes drinking Sam adams and grilling gourmet burgers in blue lot outside their f150.

During the last round of realignments the word was that “UConn will always be there if/when we expand again”. Unfortunately UConn didn’t make any competent effort to make themselves a front runner when it has finally come time for the realignment to restart. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see what UConn has done since the last round of realignment to leapfrog schools like WVU or Kansas in the eyes of the ACC or Big10.
yeah, because the tv markets in lawrence and morgantown have execs drooling at the mouth.
 
Actually, the other rumor is the B1G poaching USC and UCLA from the Pac. Could lead the rest of the Big XII to merge with the Pac.
The UC regents would never let UCLA leave for the big12. PAC is also a much better football conference than big12 w/o Texas and OU. Don’t think adding any of the second tier big12 schools helps the PAC, let big12 absorb the best aac teams.
 
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I forgot how much I hated conference realignment talk because of having to read stupidity like this.

You mean the school that sucks in football and gets to play Texas and Oklahoma on ESPN or ABC on Saturdays draws more than the school that sucks in football playing Tulane and East Carolina on CBS SportsNet and ESPNU? Let's reverse and see who draws more. Stupid.

Anyone who was at the Michigan game knows the state of Connecticut would make Big Ten-ACC football a madhouse that would draw in person and on TV.

Maybe you should stick to making the case of West Virginia to the ACC. Another stupid topic. Always forgot how weird it was during these realignment threads how our own fans would sabotage and diminish our case and overhype and over value competitors. Always thought it was weird. Still do.
Also, I’ll add that UConn football went independent at the WORST possible time for this to happen. Now that the free market has decided that the media rights for UConn football are worth barely 7 figures (which includes r those big “draw” games against current P5 opponents you mentioned) every school president in the Big10 and ACC are going to ask why they would cut UConn football a $35 Million check each year when the market says the product is hardly worth $1M? The people in charge of realignment aren’t doing this for charity and they aren’t stupid either.

Sorry but the basketball programs and the academic “prestiege” do not even come close to accounting for that difference in value. An argument can be made that Kansas football wouldn’t do much better on a TV contract if they went independent, but unfortunately (for us UConn fans) they never had to have the free market give them a price on their worth so they get to start the negotiations on their value at their current payout (whether it should be justified or not).
 
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Also, I’ll add that UConn football went independent at the WORST possible time for this to happen. Now that the free market has decided that the media rights for UConn football are worth barely 7 figures (which includes r those big “draw” games against current P5 opponents you mentioned) every school president in the Big10 and ACC are going to ask why they would cut UConn football a $35 Million check each year when the market says the product is hardly worth $1M? The people in charge of realignment aren’t doing this for charity and they aren’t stupid either.

Sorry but the basketball programs and the academic “prestiege” do not even come close to accounting for that difference in value. An argument can be made that Kansas football wouldn’t do much better on a TV contract if they went independent, but unfortunately (for us UConn fans) they never had to have the free market give them a price on their worth so they get to start the negotiations on their value at their current payout (whether it should be justified or not).
I mean, UConn didn't go independent right away. We tried to go B12 recently and definitely back channeled with ACC repeatedly. They didn't want us, because they already knew the football was worthless. We didn't mistakenly put a value on an unknown but possibly valuable property. Everyone knew it was shitake.

A shift in thinking away from DMAs and towards raw stream subscriber football fanbase was also terrible for us. New Haven / proximity to NY dma was one of our biggest assets. For this reason, it's great that we're in the Big East. We're no longer at the whims of the football titans.
 
yeah, because the tv markets in lawrence and morgantown have execs drooling at the mouth.
Do you guys not get this? TV markets aren’t important. Fan bases are. Everything is digital now. On a fall Saturday afternoon in the central CT tv market, I doubt UConn football even cracks the top 5 of CFB games watched...

WVU has a WAY BIGGER fan base and following than UConn football has ever had or ever will have.

Down here in Nashville I see someone decked out in WVU swag probably once per week walking on the streets. I don’t think I have ever seen a UConn football shirt / jersey / hat. (I also probably see more women’s basketball shirts than men’s shirts too - but the people wearing them are always ancient).
 
I don't think UConn would have been a Big 12 backfill candidate.
Yeah, that's kind of my point. If we were in the AAC, we would have been left in an even more pathetic conference for both football and basketball.
 
Do you guys not get this? TV markets aren’t important. Fan bases are. Everything is digital now. On a fall Saturday afternoon in the central CT tv market, I doubt UConn football even cracks the top 5 of CFB games watched...

WVU has a WAY BIGGER fan base and following than UConn football has ever had or ever will have.

Down here in Nashville I see someone decked out in WVU swag probably once per week walking on the streets. I don’t think I have ever seen a UConn football shirt / jersey / hat. (I also probably see more women’s basketball shirts than men’s shirts too - but the people wearing them are always ancient).
What I get is that adding Kansas and/or WVU would be dilutive. Neither school adds any value. Although, maybe you should reach out to The Ohio State University and tell them WVU's reach is all the way to Nashville. That should be music to their ears.
 
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