Re: Coach yelling at his players

[HuskyNan]

Per the player:

"You've got two options: You can either suck it up and play through it and be coachable. Or you can let it get to you and you get down on yourself and get mad and let it take you all the way out of our game.​

"He's going to be coaching, no matter what. He's not going to change. It's the way you respond to it, and I responded well.​

"I just knew I had to make some plays happen and play smart and he'll be happy."​

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The quote happens to be from Ryan Boatright, a UConn men's team freshman (article). JC is every bit as driven to win as Geno and that's why UConn has 10 combined National Championship banners hanging from the rafters at Gampel. And one of the reasons Geno's teams win is because he treats them like basketball players first and young women second. I'm not sure all the fans are aware of that.​

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[doggydaddy]

Some people are uncomfortable with this coaching style, both with the men and women.

It's not changing, so we will be seeing more posts complaining about it in the future.

 

[alexrgct]

It'll be a sad day in Connecticut when either of these men hang it up.

 

[rbny1]

It'll be a sad day in Connecticut when either of these men hang it up.

Absolutely. Both have established extraordinary records of basketball success that will be tough for their successors to match.

Let's keep in mind too that recruits who choose UConn know what Geno and Calhoun are like. GA's and JC's personalities are out in the open for all to see. As has been said many times, UConn isn't for everybody.

 

[EricLA]

Absolutely. Both have established extraordinary records of basketball success that will be tough for their successors to match.

Let's keep in mind too that recruits who choose UConn know what Geno and Calhoun are like. GA's and JC's personalities are out in the open for all to see. As has been said many times, UConn isn't for everybody.

that's really true. Geno is very upfront with players as to how they earn playing time and how he coaches them. i think the thing i've read about most recruits isn't that Geno is different (KML recently said he's exactly what she expected), but that the practices are so much harder than they are used to.

Geno has often mentioned getting the freshmen especially to push thru the mental and physical fatigue they are feeling to get to the next level, and he only pushes them if he believes they can achieve it.

 

[justML]

that's really true. Geno is very upfront with players as to how they earn playing time and how he coaches them. i think the thing i've read about most recruits isn't that Geno is different (KML recently said he's exactly what she expected), but that the practices are so much harder than they are used to.

Geno has often mentioned getting the freshmen especially to push thru the mental and physical fatigue they are feeling to get to the next level, and he only pushes them if he believes they can achieve it.

If you ask my 89 year old father he'll tell you we lost at ND because Geno didn't yell ENOUGH during the game.

Of course, my father was yelling enough for both of them!

 

[DaddyChoc]

JC is taking some heat right now for "jabbing" DeAndre Daniels in the gut... it was on the news at 10pm.

posters need to watch how they make non-issues... issues!

 

[vtcwbuff]

I wonder how Kara Wolters and Tina Charles would have turned out if Auriemma had not yelled at them?

 

[John Fryer]

Some people are uncomfortable with this coaching style, both with the men and women.

(OT: Before some of our Super-Duper BYs hit the Ignore button, this post reflects my general reactions to the very idea of a supervisor/coach being able to put thier hands on a subordinate and get away with it. Beyond that if the Ignore button gives you feelings of increased power, Bang Away! Having an Ignore button on an adult forum is so childish and stupid I just can't resist sharing my disgust.

Back in the day we didn't need state-of-the-art technology like an Ignore button.

If we didn't like something or even someone, we would simply ignore it or them.)

I Agree.

But isn't it also a question of power?

I can't imagine many occupations where a superior/supervisor/coach can get in the face of a subordinate like some coaches do. (I assume that it would be a major decision for most scholarship athletes, who when playing their sport, are basically working for sustance and an education to quit and walk away because they dislike the coaching syle of their coach.)

The military being an exception, of course, in terms of in your face and hands on.

Bottom line for me: I can live with the screaming in your face.

It is never appropriate for any coach, male/female, to put their hands of a player when they are angry.

And it is never permissible, IMO, for a male coach to put his hands on a female player. Especially in anger.

Peace,

John Fryer

 

[boontonbomber]

JC is taking some heat right now for "jabbing" DeAndre Daniels in the gut... it was on the news at 10pm.

posters need to watch how they make non-issues... issues!

not the first time calhoun has been seen laying hands on a player during a game. next to him, geno looks cool, calm, and collected.

 

[HuskyNan]

(Back in the day we didn't need state-of-the-art technology like an Ignore button.

If we didn't like something or even someone, we would simply ignore it or them.)

Uh....so we shouldn't Ignore, we should just ignore?

 

[pinotbear]

(OT: Before some of our Super-Duper BYs hit the Ignore button, this post reflects my general reactions to the very idea of a supervisor/coach being able to put thier hands on a subordinate and get away with it. Beyond that if the Ignore button gives you feelings of increased power, Bang Away! Having an Ignore button on an adult forum is so childish and stupid I just can't resist sharing my disgust.

Back in the day we didn't need state-of-the-art technology like an Ignore button.

If we didn't like something or even someone, we would simply ignore it or them.)

I Agree.

But isn't it also a question of power?

I can't imagine many occupations where a superior/supervisor/coach can get in the face of a subordinate like some coaches do. (I assume that it would be a major decision for most scholarship athletes, who when playing their sport, are basically working for sustance and an education to quit and walk away because they dislike the coaching syle of their coach.)

The military being an exception, of course, in terms of in your face and hands on.

Bottom line for me: I can live with the screaming in your face.

It is never appropriate for any coach, male/female, to put their hands of a player when they are angry.

And it is never permissible, IMO, for a male coach to put his hands on a female player. Especially in anger.

Peace,

John Fryer

one of the reasons I like the "ignore" button is that some folks feel that they can, in the same post, say "If we didn't like something or even someone, we would simply ignore it or them", and also lecture me on "how" to ignore someone - feel that it is appropriate to condescendingly tell me that my preferred way of ignoring somebody is "childish and stupid", and say that using said button "gives (me) feelings of increased power".

Power has nothing to do with it, John. Keeping my blood pressure from soaring, reading stuff I consider foolish-in-the-extreme does.

 

[Joobie]

I wonder how Kara Wolters and Tina Charles would have turned out if Auriemma had not yelled at them?

& Rebecca Lobo who STILL refers to herself as "the worst post player in America"!

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

Frankly, I have no problem with Geno, or coaches in general, “screaming/yelling” at their players/team. I do have issues, however, with doing this in a crucial part of a game(e.g. time out preceding OT) when emphasis should be on how to win the contest. If a mistake(s)
has/have been made , point it out, use practice to correct it if necessary. I just do not see the sense of emphasizing the negative of the past in contrast to the exclusion of possible positives for the future within the timeline of a competitive contest.

 

[vtcwbuff]

(OT: Before some of our Super-Duper BYs hit the Ignore button, this post reflects my general reactions to the very idea of a supervisor/coach being able to put thier hands on a subordinate and get away with it. Beyond that if the Ignore button gives you feelings of increased power, Bang Away! Having an Ignore button on an adult forum is so childish and stupid I just can't resist sharing my disgust.

Back in the day we didn't need state-of-the-art technology like an Ignore button.

If we didn't like something or even someone, we would simply ignore it or them.)

I Agree.

But isn't it also a question of power?

I can't imagine many occupations where a superior/supervisor/coach can get in the face of a subordinate like some coaches do. (I assume that it would be a major decision for most scholarship athletes, who when playing their sport, are basically working for sustance and an education to quit and walk away because they dislike the coaching syle of their coach.)

The military being an exception, of course, in terms of in your face and hands on.

Bottom line for me: I can live with the screaming in your face.

It is never appropriate for any coach, male/female, to put their hands of a player when they are angry.

And it is never permissible, IMO, for a male coach to put his hands on a female player. Especially in anger.

Peace,

John Fryer

John - Just a point of accuracy - The military is NOT an exception in terms of hands on.

 

[boontonbomber]

Per the player:

"You've got two options: You can either suck it up and play through it and be coachable. Or you can let it get to you and you get down on yourself and get mad and let it take you all the way out of our game.​

"He's going to be coaching, no matter what. He's not going to change. It's the way you respond to it, and I responded well.​

"I just knew I had to make some plays happen and play smart and he'll be happy."​

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The quote happens to be from Ryan Boatright, a UConn men's team freshman (article). JC is every bit as driven to win as Geno and that's why UConn has 10 combined National Championship banners hanging from the rafters at Gampel. And one of the reasons Geno's teams win is because he treats them like basketball players first and young women second. I'm not sure all the fans are aware of that.​

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absolutely can not agree that this photo should be used as an example of what a coach should do to make a point with a player. i find it quite repugnant.

 

[HuskyNan]

Find me an intense coach that doesn't yell at his/her players.

Winner

Winner

 

[HuskyNan]

absolutely can not agree that this photo should be used as an example of what a coach should do to make a point with a player. i find it quite repugnant.

The player was OK with it. Did you read the article?

 

[boontonbomber]

of course i read the article

The player was OK with it. Did you read the article?

yes, i read the article. c'mon , would you really expect ryan to say anything else? and if you think that the way kim and muffet yell at and handle their players,at least during games, is anywhere near the same as calhoun does, then you have not watched either of them, or him, very closely. and i don't think that the photos you have posted show nearly the same kind of fury we see with calhoun. calhoun is a bully, but it's overlooked because he has won championships. we saw him out of control again in the rutgers game on saturday. we certainly don't know if his rant in ryan's face made any difference, but many will assume that it did. even if i did, i'm opposed to winning at any cost. but there are many fans, some here on the boneyard, to whom winning is the only thing that matters. btw, though i don't agree with geno's rants, in no way would i compare him to calhoun. it will be a great loss when geno leaves, but the sooner calhoun is gone the better , imnsho. excuse my own rant here,nan, but seeing calhoun in action sets my blood to boiling.

 

[DaddyChoc]

of course i read the article


yes, i read the article. c'mon , would you really expect ryan to say anything else? and if you think that the way kim and muffet yell at and handle their players,at least during games, is anywhere near the same as calhoun does, then you have not watched either of them, or him, very closely. and i don't think that the photos you have posted show nearly the same kind of fury we see with calhoun. calhoun is a bully, but it's overlooked because he has won championships. we saw him out of control again in the rutgers game on saturday. we certainly don't know if his rant in ryan's face made any difference, but many will assume that it did. even if i did, i'm opposed to winning at any cost. but there are many fans, some here on the boneyard, to whom winning is the only thing that matters. btw, though i don't agree with geno's rants, in no way would i compare him to calhoun. it will be a great loss when geno leaves, but the sooner calhoun is gone the better , imnsho. excuse my own rant here,nan, but seeing calhoun in action sets my blood to boiling.

and he walked out to half court (sort of showing up the kid)... meeting RB, the other pics look like sideline photos.

I have no problem with JC in his face cause Im use to it but if its your 1st time seeing him doing it you'd be a lil shocked/surprised

 

[cardfan]

Frankly, I have no problem with Geno, or coaches in general, “screaming/yelling” at their players/team. I do have issues, however, with doing this in a crucial part of a game(e.g. time out preceding OT) when emphasis should be on how to win the contest. If a mistake(s)
has/have been made , point it out, use practice to correct it if necessary. I just do not see the sense of emphasizing the negative of the past in contrast to the exclusion of possible positives for the future within the timeline of a competitive contest.

that was my thought as well. The gender of the coach and players didn't enter my mind, just the game situation and KML being a frosh. Just my opinion. I would add that all top coaches, including Geno, Kim, Pat, Muffet, Tara, Andy, etc. all yell at their players as bball players and Div. 1 athletes, not little girls.

 

[wallman]

Well the point should be whether the yelling is productive, in Genos case there's not much to argue about considering the players are told what to expect when they enter the program and the results he gets. I would think that there are a lot more examples of behaviors that are negative in nature than yelling at players across the NCAA !!!!

 

[sparky]

JC is a bully and he coaches that way- by intimidation. Some kids respond in a positive way and others melt.Ryan is a tough kid and sometimes when dealing with tough kids you have to push the envelope. I do not like JC's style but he gets results and those results mean money and what makes the world go around. GA is no differen. He is probably more sarcastic than a bully. I like his philosophy that the girls are basketball players and will be treated as such first. I truly feel both GA and JC have huge hearts and would bust through walls to help their kids. Coaching is about building the individual physically, emotionally, and mentally, to perform at their highest level when the odds are against you. If there is a way to do it all we need to bottle it. John Wooden comes to mind........

 

[UConn990411]

of course i read the article


yes, i read the article. c'mon , would you really expect ryan to say anything else? and if you think that the way kim and muffet yell at and handle their players,at least during games, is anywhere near the same as calhoun does, then you have not watched either of them, or him, very closely. and i don't think that the photos you have posted show nearly the same kind of fury we see with calhoun. calhoun is a bully, but it's overlooked because he has won championships. we saw him out of control again in the rutgers game on saturday. we certainly don't know if his rant in ryan's face made any difference, but many will assume that it did. even if i did, i'm opposed to winning at any cost. but there are many fans, some here on the boneyard, to whom winning is the only thing that matters. btw, though i don't agree with geno's rants, in no way would i compare him to calhoun. it will be a great loss when geno leaves, but the sooner calhoun is gone the better , imnsho. excuse my own rant here,nan, but seeing calhoun in action sets my blood to boiling.

Blah, blah, blah.

Have you ever listened to former players (particularly the ones making millions in the NBA now) talk about Calhoun? They revere him in much the same way former UConn women's players revere Geno.

His style may be different, but he cares about his players the same. If you don't understand that, all that means is you know nothing about Calhoun and the men's program.

 

[boontonbomber]

Blah, blah, blah.

Have you ever listened to former players (particularly the ones making millions in the NBA now) talk about Calhoun? They revere him in much the same way former UConn women's players revere Geno.

His style may be different, but he cares about his players the same. If you don't understand that, all that means is you know nothing about Calhoun and the men's program.

hopefully,then, the ones in the nba revere him so much that they'll donate some of those million dollar salaries to help with the construction of the new basketball facility. what a wonderful way to demonstrate their affection. we'll see ,won't we.