Ray Allen is an assassin

[MilliniumPrince]

[quotauto-perjohn, post: 974667, member: 1522"]I like Brian Shaw but I wouldn't exactly say Kobe rode his coattails. Lol[/quote]
Damn auto-correct lol

 

[intlzncster]

You realize MJ had Pippen, Rodman, etc. Kobe rode Shaw's coattails for three titles and Cleveland is a city that will never attract free agents....never mind. Lol

Hopefully you meant Shaq! It's only funny because Shaw was Bryant's backup for 3 of those Champi0nships.

EDIT: dammit, superjohn got in before me. a step slow today. Hope it doesn't carry over to the pitch.

 

[intlzncster]

The Spurs had them beat last year and will run a clinic on Miami this year, no more than 5.

I could care less about Ray, good job against Miss St in 1995. Go watch his 4th Q in game 7 of 2010 finals against Lakers. Where was he then, he was awful and cost Celts the championship.

Yet Ray is responsible for a bunch of Miami late game heroics. Without Ray, Miami might not have at least one of those Championships.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Yet Ray is responsible for a bunch of Miami late game heroics. Without Ray, Miami might not have at least one of those Championships.

You can't even acknowledge the baseless crap that comes through this dude's fingers. Ray's clutch stats, namely in the postseason, are well-known. Even ESPN loves putting those stats up there. He's easily more clutch than Reggie.

You can tell he's full of it when all he has is a Mississippi State game from two decades ago and a single quarter from a single game.

 

[intlzncster]

You can tell he's full of it when all he has is a Mississippi State game from two decades ago and a single quarter from a single game.

Which goes to my point in another thread that some fans can hold a (not necessarily warranted) grudge FOREVER.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Which goes to my point in another thread that some fans can hold a (not necessarily warranted) grudge FOREVER.

I wonder how hard he cried and for how long after Ray hit that three in Game 6.

 

[traitor71]

The Spurs had them beat last year and will run a clinic on Miami this year, no more than 5.

I could care less about Ray, good job against Miss St in 1995. Go watch his 4th Q in game 7 of 2010 finals against Lakers. Where was he then, he was awful and cost Celts the championship.

There is so much hate and fail in this post. Don't forget to go outside and shake your miserable fist at the clouds while you are at it.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Who does Lebron have? He has one of the best shooting guards in NBA history, the best shooter in NBA history and a 9x all-star at power forward.....saying Lebron is pretty much winning on his own is unbelievably stupid.

It's weird that you'd post something this dumb while calling someone else's post stupid. It's not like Wade brings his game from 2006 on the court with him these days.

None of those guys in the supporting cast are as good this year as they were even last year. Ray gives them something every few nights, Wade's contribution last night was so remarkable because he almost never plays that well anymore, and Bosh is basically a fading jump shooter at this point.

You're calling someone else "unbelievably stupid" and it's as if the concept that these guys aren't nearly as good as they used to be when they were at their peak never even crosses your mind. Very strange.

 

[champs99and04]

From a lifestyle perspective, I can't fault Bron for going there. But win on your own. I'll never view him remotely in the same group as MJ or even Kobe. Bosh is a $15m 3 or specialist, the most overpaid player in sports.

Kobe is not in the same conversation as LeBron and Jordan.

 

[superjohn]

It's weird that you'd post something this dumb while calling someone else's post stupid. It's not like Wade brings his game from 2006 on the court with him these days.

None of those guys in the supporting cast are as good this year as they were even last year. Ray gives them something every few nights, Wade's contribution last night was so remarkable because he almost never plays that well anymore, and Bosh is basically a fading jump shooter at this point.

You're calling someone else "unbelievably stupid" and it's as if the concept that these guys aren't nearly as good as they used to be when they were at their peak never even crosses your mind. Very strange.

Reading comprehension 101, I said the post was unbelievably stupid and would never call a person unbelievably stupid for giving their opinion on basketball. You clearly haven't been watching the playoffs because Wade has been awesome. He's scored 28, 27, 23 and 23 in his last 4 games on well over 60% shooting. Nothing I said is inaccurate, Wade is one of the best shooting guards ever, Allen is the best shooter ever and Bosh is a 9x all-star. If you want to be critical of every post I make go for it but you're the one showing a lack of basketball knowledge.

 

[Gurleyman]

The Spurs had them beat last year and will run a clinic on Miami this year, no more than 5. I could care less about Ray, good job against Miss St in 1995. Go watch his 4th Q in game 7 of 2010 finals against Lakers. Where was he then, he was awful and cost Celts the championship.

He kept us in it for awhile against Mississippi State, but they could gear their whole defense towards him with nobody else stepping up. He also kept us in it for the whole game against UCLA the year before.

Ray obviously didn't shoot well in Game 7 (most of his misses were before the fourth quarter, by the way, when he shot 2-5), but he was also guarding Kobe the whole night (6-24) while Kobe got to save his energy on D playing 10 feet off Rondo. Meanwhile, Pierce was outplayed by Metta Artest and Garnett shrunk down to nothing without Perkins and gave Boston 3 rebounds while Gasol ate him alive down the stretch. None of the Big Three played well. It was a team loss.

 

[dogfan96]

Obviously husky91 just doesn't like LeBron. You do know that Scottie Pippen was a Top 5 pick and younger than MJ? You do know that Pippen was routinely given the job of guarding the other team's best perimeter player, including Magic Johnson in the Finals?
And Kobe only played with the most dominant player probably since Wilt Chamberlain and then he got to play with Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, both in their prime, along with an Andrew Bynum who still cared a little bit.
LeBron has never played with nearly that much talent... not even close. Wade and Bosh alternate showing up on any given night (and sometimes neither does)... meanwhile you can pretty much put LeBron down for 27/7/7 every night. You don't have to like him but if you don't enjoy watching him play than there's something wrong with you. He's everything you want in a basketball player.. plays hard, plays both ends, will guard anyone on the opposing team, including centers...plays for the team and not for individual numbers. Oh yeah, and if you think anybody is beating Miami 4 times in 5 games, you're gonna be sorely disappointed.

 

[Strummer]

[LeBron] has one of the best shooting guards in NBA history, the best shooter in NBA history and a 9x all-star at power forward.....saying Lebron is pretty much winning on his own is unbelievably stupid.

Wow. You must really hate LeBron. I mean, you must jut really hate him.

Lebron does more for this Heat team than any guy I have ever seen play did for his team. Without Jordan, Pippen won 55 games the following year.

Without Lebron, the Heat probably don't win 20 games this year.

Your anger/hate has totally blinded you.

 

[UCHuskies08]

Who does Lebron have? He has one of the best shooting guards in NBA history, the best shooter in NBA history and a 9x all-star at power forward.....saying Lebron is pretty much winning on his own is unbelievably stupid.

All of them right in their prime too!

Oh wait...

 

[auror]

Somehow, both sides of this argument are wrong.

 

[UConn3432]

There should be a lifetime ban for anybody who dares bash Ray. I can't believe I'm actually reading this garbage.

 

[intlzncster]

Wow. You must really hate LeBron. I mean, you must jut really hate him.

Lebron does more for this Heat team than any guy I have ever seen play did for his team. Without Jordan, Pippen won 55 games the following year.

Without Lebron, the Heat probably don't win 20 games this year.

Your anger/hate has totally blinded you.

I'd have to go with AI. Without him, that Philly team that made the Finals might not have won 10.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I'd have to go with AI. Without him, that Philly team that made the Finals might not have won 10.

Unlikely. Iverson's shot selection was so poor that he definitely hurt his team a lot. In the conference finals that year, he shot horribly.

 

[mauconnfan]

LeBron is great and whether you like him or not he's one of the top impact guys ever never mind just player. With the Cav's who didn't win it all and with the Heat also……….

No one had more impact than Michael though…….it is laughable to make that argument. Scottie was very good and ended top a HOFer but you can make the argument that Michael made that possible for him to be that good.

 

[Strummer]

but you can make the argument that Michael made that possible for him to be that good.

No doubt. But it goes both ways. Jordan won zero titles w/o Pippen. Pippen won zero w/o Jordan. Clearly Jordan was the better player, but it's an impossibility to know how they would have done if paired up with another great player.

Anyway - many hours left in the day of James, and we'll have more data to use to assess his relative station in bball lore before the sun sets. I'm looking forward to it. I always disliked James. Thought he was too pompous - too caught up in his own hype. The last 3 years have changed my opinion of him. He improved his game and he let drop much of the folderol that sullied my opinion of him. Now I just like to watch him play, and make history.

 

[mauconnfan]

No doubt. But it goes both ways. Jordan won zero titles w/o Pippen. Pippen won zero w/o Jordan. Clearly Jordan was the better player, but it's an impossibility to know how they would have done if paired up with another great player.

Anyway - many hours left in the day of James, and we'll have more data to use to assess his relative station in bball lore before the sun sets. I'm looking forward to it. I always disliked James. Thought he was too pompous - too caught up in his own hype. The last 3 years have changed my opinion of him. He improved his game and he let drop much of the folderol that sullied my opinion of him. Now I just like to watch him play, and make history.

That's funny you say that I, for whatever reason, think the opposite. Thought as a young man he handled himself very well despite the obvious pressure from the NBA to be THE MAN and the premature crowning………and now as he gets older he whines about calls, feels like he deserves even more than he gets which is ridiculous in itself. But you probably watch more NBA than I so you have a better handle so I could be way out in left field with my thoughts (imagine that? No way…..lol)……….

 

[intlzncster]

Unlikely. Iverson's shot selection was so poor that he definitely hurt his team a lot. In the conference finals that year, he shot horribly.

Aaron McKie was the number two guy on that team (while a solid player, he should have been 3rd or fourth option guy). Wade, Ray, or Bosh (as they are right now) might have been the 2nd best player on that team. And Iverson might be the best pound for pound player in history.

 

[intlzncster]

No doubt. But it goes both ways. Jordan won zero titles w/o Pippen. Pippen won zero w/o Jordan. Clearly Jordan was the better player, but it's an impossibility to know how they would have done if paired up with another great player.

Anyway - many hours left in the day of James, and we'll have more data to use to assess his relative station in bball lore before the sun sets. I'm looking forward to it. I always disliked James. Thought he was too pompous - too caught up in his own hype. The last 3 years have changed my opinion of him. He improved his game and he let drop much of the folderol that sullied my opinion of him. Now I just like to watch him play, and make history.

He just got better, that's all. Have to give him credit for improving.

Off the court, he's a d0uche. That's why I don't like him. Not a bad guy at all, just a d0uche. Love watching him on the court though.

 

[traitor71]

That's funny you say that I, for whatever reason, think the opposite. Thought as a young man he handled himself very well despite the obvious pressure from the NBA to be THE MAN and the premature crowning………and now as he gets older he whines about calls, feels like he deserves even more than he gets which is ridiculous in itself. But you probably watch more NBA than I so you have a better handle so I could be way out in left field with my thoughts (imagine that? No way…..lol)……….

I hate when people go to the "he whines about calls" stuff. They said it about Shaq as well, and for the same reason. The guy simply gets pounded on like no one else in the league. In a way I think it's because he is so strong that he can get smacked and still finish the play, but good lord, if you watch him for an entire season you can see how ridiculous it is at times.

 

[traitor71]

He just got better, that's all. Have to give him credit for improving.

Off the court, he's a d0uche. That's why I don't like him. Not a bad guy at all, just a d0uche. Love watching him on the court though.

Personal experience? I ask that because down here he leads the way on a team of guys that are really good off the court.