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Looks about right, I would flip flop Cuse and Lville though.
 
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Disagree. It has been proven that you can win really, really big at UConn and you have an entire state supporting you. People keep hating on UConn. All I have to say in regards to Syracuse is 3 to 1. UConn is the better job. Louisville isn't even the top program in it's own state.
 
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I think you are pretty clueless about Lville. They have 2 NC and 9 Final Fours, and did it with more then 1 coach. I think they have proved you win really really big there too.

Their facilities are top tier. Much, much better then ours. They sell out a 22,000 seat area every game with an average ticket price of $35. They received over $20 million in basketball related donations in 2011 alone. Who cares if your not #1 in your own state?

Lville has a longer tradition, a ton more money to offer (Pitino recieved about 6mill in 2011 from the University), much better facilities and has proven its a viable program outside of one HOF coach.

How do you figure UConn is a better job? This time use something better then "Louisville isn't even the top program in it's own state."
 
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I think all three of these programs are virtually interchangeable, all are extremely desirable jobs. Once the dark cloud over uconn moves on, the facility is built...then they could easily make this list again and have uconn on top.

I have always wondered why people don't question Hopkins more ... Just because they've chosen a coach in waiting does not mean he will be any more or less successful in recruiting or winning as whoever replaces calhoun.

Regardless, the above three are probably the top jobs outside of the royalty teams, ucla, Indiana, Kentucky, unc, kansas, and duke.

And the only teams that could even remotely whine about that are Ohio state, Michigan state, zona maybe, gtown
 

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I think all three of these programs are virtually interchangeable, all are extremely desirable jobs. Once the dark cloud over uconn moves on, the facility is built...then they could easily make this list again and have uconn on top.

I have always wondered why people don't question Hopkins more ... Just because they've chosen a coach in waiting does not mean he will be any more or less successful in recruiting or winning as whoever replaces calhoun.

Regardless, the above three are probably the top jobs outside of the royalty teams, ucla, Indiana, Kentucky, unc, kansas, and duke.

And the only teams that could even remotely whine about that are Ohio state, Michigan state, zona maybe, gtown

I don't think there is any way UConn could surpass Cuse or Louisville as a coaching destination based on facilities or money. Facilities give those two a huge boost. UConn can't hope to match the sheer size of the Carrier Dome and the YUM is just amazing. I think take out facilities and those three are similar jobs with UConn having a slight advantage if the below is factored in.

The big bonus UConn has over those two schools are the current NBA players (only Melo truly stands out between UL and Cuse). This is also a drawback if those players don't support the next coach.
 
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I don't think there is any way UConn could surpass Cuse or Louisville as a coaching destination based on facilities or money. Facilities give those two a huge boost. UConn can't hope to match the sheer size of the Carrier Dome and the YUM is just amazing. I think take out facilities and those three are similar jobs with UConn having a slight advantage if the below is factored in.

The big bonus UConn has over those two schools are the current NBA players (only Melo truly stands out between UL and Cuse). This is also a drawback if those players don't support the next coach.

Ok fair points on the resources, but uconn still has pretty strong resources, and success. Actually, they have incredible recent success over the last twenty that puts the other two to shame. And, as you say, they are a pro factory - and do so without top 10 recruits on the reg.

Once you get to the level these programs are at, which is rare air, I think you are just splitting hairs.
 
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Clueless about Louisville? I know their history, they are the most "valuable" cbb team and the Yum Yum Center is a great arena. But to me it is about winning National Champoinships and that is what coaches want to do right? Go where you can win it all, not Final Fours.

Last time I checked 3 is more than 2 and Louiville's 2 were a long ass time ago. UConn has been better than anyone in the country at doing that since 1999 and overall they are tied with Kansas.

We all know by now that UConn's facilities will be getting considerably better in the next couple of years.

You said don't use the fact that they play second fiddle to UK, but lets be honest that is a legit point.
So what if Louisville got 20 mil in donations, UK won the NC last year and beat Louisville in doing so.

It isn't about money to me, most top college coaches will make a boat load of cash wherever they go.

Like I said you can win really big at UConn and it has been proven not only in men's basketball, but also in women's basketball and soccer among others.

Over the past 20 years only getting to a couple of Final Fours isn't really winning big to me.
 

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Clueless about Louisville? I know their history, they are the most "valuable" cbb team and the Yum Yum Center is a great arena. But to me it is about winning National Champoinships and that is what coaches want to do right? Go where you can win it all, not Final Fours.

Last time I checked 3 is more than 2 and Louiville's 2 were a long ass time ago. UConn has been better than anyone in the country at doing that since 1999 and overall they are tied with Kansas.

We all know by now that UConn's facilities will be getting considerably better in the next couple of years.

You said don't use the fact that they play second fiddle to UK, but lets be honest that is a legit point.
So what if Louisville got 20 mil in donations, UK won the NC last year and beat Louisville in doing so.

It isn't about money to me, most top college coaches will make a boat load of cash wherever they go.

Like I said you can win really big at UConn and it has been proven not only in men's basketball, but also in women's basketball and soccer among others.

Over the past 20 years only getting to a couple of Final Fours isn't really winning big to me.
Be reasonable. UConn has shown they can win if they have JC on the sidelines. They don't win because they are UConn with good state support. They win because they have a top 5 all time head coach. There is no evidence that they will continue to produce NCs after he leaves. If you go into the debate with lesser facilities and a couple of relatively crappy arenas, it doesn't elevate you to the top. Get the practice facility, improve the arenas (pipe dream) and get another coach who can win and you can start making an argument for the best of the three, but until then, it's all about JC, not UConn.
 
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I think the "UConn is a better job because they have won the most National Championshps" argument is silly. The accomplishments of Jim Calhoun do not necessarily predict future success. Louisville has better facilities, a much nicer arena, deeper history, and a bigger fan base. Why is UConn a more desired job because they have more players in the league? That reflects on Calhoun, not the job.

I have no problem with being third, but to agree with a previous poster, Louisville and Syracuse should probably flip flop.
 

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The Yum facility and a pool full of cash makes UL the best job in the Big East right now. I think Pitino underachieves relative to the opportunity there.

You can probably pig pile UConn, Syracuse and Pitt in a lot of ways. Georgetown, Notre Dame and Nova are behind them. Marquette and ND are the next flight with SJ, Cincy and probably some teams I'm forgetting are beneath them.

If you squint, you can almost see Providence just beginning to creep over the horizon - just behind them is the decaying corpses of DePaul, USF and Seton Hall.

Remarkably, some of the dog s*** schools that are coming into the conference are well below even that human wreckage.
 
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It's very possible that our practice facility will be the best in the Big East. I know our football facility is the nicest. I don't think facilities are a problem for us, as we're a brand name and Gampel is very underrated. Just wish more games we're there
 
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It's very possible that our practice facility will be the best in the Big East. I know our football facility is the nicest. I don't think facilities are a problem for us, as we're a brand name and Gampel is very underrated. Just wish more games we're there
Agree with everything you said. Gampel is a great place to watch a game and a lot better then the XL center. I think the facilities are a little more important then the actual arenas the schools play in. Just take a look at Cameron Indoor...i think my towns middle school gym is the same size as that place. The thing that gives it the mystique is the "crazy" fans that pack it for every game.
 
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When you add in Geno and the how the women's program is the best in the nation, Uconn as a whole becomes a basketball mecca. I know we are talking about mens bball, but Geno has created a culture of winning that overlaps on the mens program. Uconn bball is bigger than cuse and ville.
 
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When you add in Geno and the how the women's program is the best in the nation, Uconn as a whole becomes a basketball mecca. I know we are talking about mens bball, but Geno has created a culture of winning that overlaps on the mens program. Uconn bball is bigger than cuse and ville.

I think you are missing the entire point of the article and discussion. This has nothing to with what is the "biggest." Whatever that means. It is about which is the best job. Geno and the women's program has nothing to do with it.
 
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It is a very fair rating. We should be third. It's about resources and Cuse/Ville have more than Uconn. We will be getting a new BB facility, but right now we have some of the worst BB facilities in the BE. The Uconn write up is right on.
 
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Clueless about Louisville? I know their history, they are the most "valuable" cbb team and the Yum Yum Center is a great arena. But to me it is about winning National Champoinships and that is what coaches want to do right? Go where you can win it all, not Final Fours.

Last time I checked 3 is more than 2 and Louiville's 2 were a long ass time ago. UConn has been better than anyone in the country at doing that since 1999 and overall they are tied with Kansas.

We all know by now that UConn's facilities will be getting considerably better in the next couple of years.

You said don't use the fact that they play second fiddle to UK, but lets be honest that is a legit point.
So what if Louisville got 20 mil in donations, UK won the NC last year and beat Louisville in doing so.

It isn't about money to me, most top college coaches will make a boat load of cash wherever they go.

Like I said you can win really big at UConn and it has been proven not only in men's basketball, but also in women's basketball and soccer among others.

Over the past 20 years only getting to a couple of Final Fours isn't really winning big to me.
I have to go with ford on this one. Louisville is and always will be the 2nd favorite program in their own state, by a huge amount. And in fairness it has been a pretty long time since they won a title and Crum was the coach both times, though they do also have an NIT title from back in the 50s when the NIT was at least as prestigious. But even given that, Louisville's support will always be limited in a state that worships Kentucky.

Syracuse has the dome, and gets huge crowds there, but again, the Dome is also an aging facility, in an aging rust belt city. They have been less successful than UCONN over all unless 1>3. And they face at least the same questions about life after Boeheim as UCONN does after Calhoun. Maybe bigger ones...

Overall, UCONN, Syracuse, Louisville are 1-3 though, and rank far far above the others.
 
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Be reasonable. UConn has shown they can win if they have JC on the sidelines. They don't win because they are UConn with good state support. They win because they have a top 5 all time head coach. There is no evidence that they will continue to produce NCs after he leaves. If you go into the debate with lesser facilities and a couple of relatively crappy arenas, it doesn't elevate you to the top. Get the practice facility, improve the arenas (pipe dream) and get another coach who can win and you can start making an argument for the best of the three, but until then, it's all about JC, not UConn.
And tell me what Syracuse has done before Boeheim? A couple of "national championships" by poll somewhere in the pre-world war II era? Actually I think one was during World War I, and a surprise trip to the final Four in the early 70s. Every issue you have with UCONN in the post Calhoun era is at least the same with Syracuse in the post Boeheim era, except they are in an aging rust belt city in central New York playing in an aging facility built for football. And they have had less success than UCONN...If the argument is that Syracuse or Louisville for that matter, (though frankly I don't get why they are even in the discussion) is a better job because you have better facilities( though UCONN's are improving and will be at least as good), you'll get paid comparable money but you won't have the pressure to be successful to keep the fanbase happy, nor any other successful teams on campus to be compared with, I guess maybe those are better jobs. Fact is that if Calhoun had gone into the tournement as a 1 or 2 seed and flamed out as early as Boeheim's teams have over the last decade, people would have been calling for him to hang it up several years ago. Heck, after losing in the Elite 8 several times in the 1990s, there was lots of talk that he couldn't win the big ones and maybe it was time to consider a replacement...Tommy Penders, a UCONN grad who was then having some success at Texas after a solid run at Fordham was most often mentioned as the logical replacement. Fact is that UCONN has been the lead dog in the Big East for 20 years now. Some of it is Calhoun, for sure, but the University has provided lots of support over that time too. Despite what some of you think, long term success required a commitment from more than just the coach.
 
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I have to go with ford on this one. Louisville is and always will be the 2nd favorite program in their own state, by a huge amount. And in fairness it has been a pretty long time since they won a title and Crum was the coach both times, though they do also have an NIT title from back in the 50s when the NIT was at least as prestigious. But even given that, Louisville's support will always be limited in a state that worships Kentucky.

Syracuse has the dome, and gets huge crowds there, but again, the Dome is also an aging facility, in an aging rust belt city. They have been less successful than UCONN over all unless 1>3. And they face at least the same questions about life after Boeheim as UCONN does after Calhoun. Maybe bigger ones...

Overall, UCONN, Syracuse, Louisville are 1-3 though, and rank far far above the others.


Lville might be the second fiddle in the state but they still have more support then Uconn does in terms of attendance, donations, merchandise sales and following. I was in Houston in 2011 for the final four, it was pathetic. Have you been to the Garden since Lville came to the BE? They show up in droves.

What is the most important thing to a coach taking a job? Money, support, stability and chances to succeed. Lville has more money, a big supporting from fans, more stability at this time, and a great history of success (they are 6th all time in wins and have been going to the Final Four since the 50s).
 
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I don't think there is any way UConn could surpass Cuse or Louisville as a coaching destination based on facilities or money. Facilities give those two a huge boost. UConn can't hope to match the sheer size of the Carrier Dome and the YUM is just amazing. I think take out facilities and those three are similar jobs with UConn having a slight advantage if the below is factored in.

The big bonus UConn has over those two schools are the current NBA players (only Melo truly stands out between UL and Cuse). This is also a drawback if those players don't support the next coach.
One way you might want to look at this is how do these schools/programs stack up if you take their current coach out of the equation? The other factor is the conference they're part of.

UL has a storied history, but fell into irrelevance for a while before joining the Big East. Regardless of their coach, as long as they are part of a big time conference, they'll score high marks due to their excellent fan base, sustained high level of play since joining the Big East and their facilities.

SU - I don't know much about their pre-BE history. But how much has Boeheim made Syracuse, Syracuse? Granted the Dome can fit a load of people, but I wouldn't say it's anything special as far as a hoops venue. With that said, and with so little to do way up there, SU hoops during the winter must be close to the only show in town. They too have an avid fan base. I'm always surprised that recruits want to go all the way in the middle of nowhere with a long way to go to get to somewhere, but JB does a great job of getting talented players who fit his system. But will that be the case with Hopkins whenever he takes over? Similar to UL, though even better, they have a sustained string of success and the perception of of being a successful program does go a long way in getting talented players assuming the right coach is there to coach them to greatness.

UConn - similar to SU, how much has JC made UConn, UConn? UConn was a regional power in hoops, pre-BE, but not considered a National power. As long as our Huskies are part of a major conference, our solid fan base (no local major pro teams to compete with), the upcoming facilities upgrade and the highest sustained level of success than any other BE program makes it an attractive job. I do wonder what would happen if UConn goes into a downward spiral success wise and chooses poorly with their next Head Coach. Could UConn slip for a while like SJ and GT did after their long time HOF coaches retired? GT has returned from the ashes since JT III. SJ has really never recovered since they retire the sweater. UConn made a mistake, not building a slightly larger on-campus hoops venue. If my memory serves me the began building before the program blew up into a national power. Gampel is a nice cozy building. The HCC is a bit antiquated and I thought that there were some proposed plans to make some major renovations. I can't remember if that got shot down or not.

I believe perception and the coach itself has the biggest impact when it comes to sustained success. There are a handful of storied programs that also have desirable campuses/locations that will likely always succeed as long as they have a good head coach. UNC, UK and UCLA come to mind. You can probably add Arizona and KU to that list. KU seems to be in the middle of nowhere, but their storied history in men's hoops seems to keep them up there. Zona took a downturn during the end of Lute's reign who seemed to come personally unraveled. Sean Miller has slowly built that program back up and I would not be shocked to see them have a solid run of success over the next decade or so. I'm a little surprised that UCLA hasn't been as successful as I would imagine. I think they've made a string of coaching mistakes. Howland never seemed like a great fit. He's had a couple okay runs, but might finally have the talent to make some noise over the next year or two. Lavin and the other coach who's name escapes me seemed to run their programs a tad on the shady side. I think that program could have exploded if they hired a coach like Roy Williams. Roy certainly has his faults. I'm not saying he would be a good fit for LA. I don't think he would be. But UCLA would benefit from a coach who's a good recruiter and plays a more uptempo style of play. It would be an interesting topic to ask what coach out there would be a good fit for UCLA. Some programs just have a certain personality. A program like Mich State, which I put in the next category, seems like a program that is best suited for a out-tough and out-will you type of coach we see in Izzo. Just using them as an example of having the right coach for the right school.

I think UConn, UL, SU fit in some second category along with MSU, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Texas, Washington, UF, and I'm sure some others we could think of that probably need make sure they don't make a poor head coaching decision to stay where they are. All these teams are capable of regularly competing for their conference titles and -4.

I don't even know where to put Dook. How much has K made Dook, Dook? They've probably built such a huge reputation of winning that with the right replacement, they'd probably keep on winning. That program attracts a certain type of player that will always be looking for a place like Dook.

Bringing this full circle, what probably gives UL and SU a leg up is neither are state schools and can thus offer more money. UL would have another leg up with much better weather than the other two. Socially Storrs and CT as a whole is nothing exciting, but Boston & NYC are within driving distance. Not sure if that really is a big deal to a BB HC who doesn't exactly have a lot of personal time to wander too far from campus. I've never been to Lousiville, but it seems like a nice community with stuff happening. I'm assuming the Kentucky Derby is not that far away. SU...hum...I've been there and didn't exactly notice there was all that much to do up there? If I were a coach wanting to put down my tent strings, UL would seem like a desirable place. I'd pick UConn over SU though.
 

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First of all, Cuse will be done when or shortly after JB retires. No young hot shot coach in the long run will keep the zone (I know they have a coach in waiting, but usually they flop) and they will be hit with the curse of the ACC shortly. It's a small private school in East Buttkiss NY, going to be hard to attract top bball players to play in Greensville and points south.

L'ville is old time history. What have you done for me lately???? No championships since 1999 gives them a lot less relevance.

Our facilities will be top notch, new and UConn academically is on the upswing. Where's Cuse and Ville going academically???
 
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My view is people really over-state Louisville's success. While its true that they got to a Final four in the 1950s, that was a lesser accomplishment at the time than it is today. They then went into hiding for 15 years before Denny Crum brought them back onto the national stage. They produced some terrific teams in the first half of the 1980s, but began to decline slowly but perceptibly after the 1986 title. By the time Crum left in 2001 they were just another pretty good mid-major. Getting into the Big East and the prestige of that move is really what let Pitino get them back to where they are...but in my mind they are a notch below both UCONN and Syracuse since they haven't captured the ultimate prize. but as I said, if getting paid a lot of money with relatively lower expections is what defines a better job, then sure, Louisville is better than UCONN. Put it this way, if the next UCONN coach does what Pitino has done at Louisville, getting to 2 Final Fours with no wins there, he'll be viewed as at least a disappointment. After the second trip, I wouldn't be surprised to hear rumblings about replacement with someone who can "win the big one." I just don't get the sense that Louisville fans feel that way about Pitino. And don't even talk about Syracuse. Had Calhoun's teams after 1999 gone down in flames the way Boeheim's have done since 2003, Calhoun would have been doing commentary on ESPN since the 2006 debacle (this assumes they flamed out in 2004, too obvioulsy), not preparing to coach another season. Again, I think expectaitons at Syracuse are lower, so in that sense it is an "easier" job than UCONN. And at neither Syracuse nor Louisville do you have the pressure of being "compared" to the nation's most successful womens program. And make no mistake, that, plus the success of other programs adds to the pressure of the UCONN job. Depending on the coach, I guess those things could make both Louisville and Syracuse "better."
 
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First of all, Cuse will be done when or shortly after JB retires. No young hot shot coach in the long run will keep the zone (I know they have a coach in waiting, but usually they flop) and they will be hit with the curse of the ACC shortly. It's a small private school in East Buttkiss NY, going to be hard to attract top bball players to play in Greensville and points south.

L'ville is old time history. What have you done for me lately???? No championships since 1999 gives them a lot less relevance.

Our facilities will be top notch, new and UConn academically is on the upswing. Where's Cuse and Ville going academically???

Some people just do not get it.

Academics? UK is the best job in the country, how are their academics? The question is about best coaching job, not school president.

Who went to the Final Four and won the BET last year and is a projected top 5 team next year? And who lost in the first round and is banned next year? IU is a top 5 job in the country and they have not won a title since 1987. UK was the number 1 job in the country and pre Calaparri they had not won a title since 1998.

Our facilities might be top notch, theirs currently ARE.
 
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