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pj said:
What this means is another question. It probably means that Wisconsin lacked other good 3 point attempts, so they had to make a mediocre 3 point shooter the core of their offense.

Bo Ryan is probably right that that was the way for Wisconsin to be most effective -- he's a quality coach -- but that doesn't mean that Kaminsky would be allowed to shoot so many 3's on another team.
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Or it could really open up the interior for those short less athletic perimeter players to get in for easy layups. It's not a bad strategy.
 
Husky25 said:
Waaahhhh. Skip it then, because that isn't my argument.

My argument is a 3 pointer by a 7 footer is not a good shot. There are, by and large, better uses for their natural talents.
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That's fine, except that you are ignoring things like floor spacing, the inverted offense Bo Ryan employs, modern basketball strategy, etc, etc. The game has become increasingly positionless, and being a 3 point shooter at ANY size is almost incalculable to helping the overall offense function for a million reasons.

Its just, such outdated thinking, which is why it is nonsense.
 
pj said:
Why? The point is he gets more points per possession when he takes 2 point attempts than 3 point attempts.

What this means is another question. It probably means that Wisconsin lacked other good 3 point attempts, so they had to make a mediocre 3 point shooter the core of their offense.

Bo Ryan is probably right that that was the way for Wisconsin to be most effective -- he's a quality coach -- but that doesn't mean that Kaminsky would be allowed to shoot so many 3's on another team.
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I'm not going to get in to deep with people arguing that because you are tall you shouldn't shoot, because its just objectively a dumb argument.

But has it ever occured to you that what you are saying is not, you know, how people play basketball? you cannot simply take those 100 3 point shots and transport Kaminski into prime scoring position. And undoubtedly he got many excellent scoring chances specifically BECAUSE he is versatile and threatens the defense at the perimeter.
 
bmayuc said:
That's fine, except that you are ignoring things like floor spacing, the inverted offense Bo Ryan employs, modern basketball strategy, etc, etc. The game has become increasingly positionless, and being a 3 point shooter at ANY size is almost incalculable to helping the overall offense function for a million reasons.

Its just, such outdated thinking, which is why it is nonsense.
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Did I not say I was disregarding flow of game? Did I not say it was quick & dirty? I know it was somewhat flawed.

Look. It's flawed merely because the 2pt FG area extends from the rim to 20'-9". The 3pt area begins at that point and beyond. I also did not bring Kaminsky into this thread, nor did I say that he hits 58% from 19' to 20'-9" .

I said, "I don't ever want to see a 7 footer take a 3 pointer. I don't care if it goes in. It's a bad shot no matter what," in clear reference to UConn's own 7 footer. That is a fact. Just because there is one guy or three who can hit a 21 foot jumper with semi-regularity is called anecdotal and not relevant to my statement, especially when those shots taken inside the arc may yield a higher point total and there are typically better positions for a 7 footer to be in rather than 21 feet away from the basket.
 
bmayuc said:
But has it ever occured to you that what you are saying is not, you know, how people play basketball? you cannot simply take those 100 3 point shots and transport Kaminski into prime scoring position. And undoubtedly he got many excellent scoring chances specifically BECAUSE he is versatile and threatens the defense at the perimeter.
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Yes, of course. An offense is a system. It's quite possible that Kaminsky shooting 3s helps Wisconsin - but only if (a) their defense is good enough that 1.05 points per possession is winning for them, and (b) they don't have better offensive alternatives. Both (a) and (b) probably were the case for Wisconsin. But it suggests a team that was somewhat limited offensively.
 
Husky25 said:
I don't ever want to see a 7 footer take a 3 pointer. I don't care if it goes in. It's a bad shot no matter what.
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kevin love, Durant, bosh , etc.?????
 
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jazyj said:
kevin love, Durant, bosh , etc.?????
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Who are three NBA players who have never been in my kitchen?

Did I win Final Jeopardy, Alex?

Durant is 6'-9" and is not a PF or C and I don't want Kevin Love anywhere near the 3pt line, college or otherwise. That is not where his strength lies.
 
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pj said:
Yes, of course. An offense is a system. It's quite possible that Kaminsky shooting 3s helps Wisconsin - but only if (a) their defense is good enough that 1.05 points per possession is winning for them, and (b) they don't have better offensive alternatives. Both (a) and (b) probably were the case for Wisconsin. But it suggests a team that was somewhat limited offensively.
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Kaminsky's ability to make 3-pointers doesn't only effect Wisconsin's offensive efficiency on possessions in which he attempts a 3-pointer.
 
Husky25 said:
Durant is 6'-9"
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I won't pick at your argument because enough people have. But I love to nitpick. KD is more like 6'11. He is like KG in that he doesn't want to be listed as tall as he really is.
 
The fact that he shows that range in practice doesn't mean he'll be out there in games. Think of it like swinging a weighted bat. You swing it in the on deck circle so you'll have a quicker bat when you have to swing for real. When you work on 3-point range in practice, the 15-footer you shoot in a game will feel closer and easier.

In practice, you always want your bigs to do some shooting further out than their comfort level in games.
 
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Kevin loves greatest strength is his three point shooting ability. without that he would be a nice double double 20//10 guy, but not the top 5-10 player he is today.
 
Matrim55 said:
Kaminsky's ability to make 3-pointers doesn't only effect Wisconsin's offensive efficiency on possessions in which he attempts a 3-pointer.
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I know that. My point was that you can't judge the value of Kaminsky shooting 3 pointers from Kaminsky's stats alone, you need to take into account the capabilities of the other players. I'm not really disagreeing with most of the posters here.

In fact, points per possession was similar on 2-pt and 3-pt attempts for Kaminsky which suggests he was making good decisions. If he overdid the 3s, he would have significantly fewer ppp on 3s than 2s.
 
Silk31 said:
And let's give it up to Glen Miller for making it big time, his quotes are considered ESPN Insider worthy
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Me thinks Glenn learned a bit about preseason hyperbole from Coach Calhoun.
 
Husky25 said:
Who are three NBA players who have never been in my kitchen?

Did I win Final Jeopardy, Alex?

Durant is 6'-9" and is not a PF or C and I don't want Kevin Love anywhere near the 3pt line, college or otherwise. That is not where his strength lies.
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Dude you are a mess, lol. Kevin Love is a premier 3 point shooter. I would hope you are not coaching!
 
walker11 said:
You have already admitted that you don't watch the NBA and this post proves it. Out of your element.
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You not only lost the forest for the trees, you are also looking at the shrubs.

Kevin Love was a McDAA, 1st team All-American, One & Done, and a 3x NBA All Star. There is debate whether Brimah will even be drafted at this point, let alone rise to the level of Hasheem Thabeet (career, not draft position). And that goes for all the other individual NBA Players that others have mentioned. They are the outliers.
James said:
Kevin loves greatest strength is his three point shooting ability. without that he would be a nice double double 20//10 guy, but not the top 5-10 player he is today.
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Really? That's his greatest strength? On second thought. you're right. That's exactly why Love has a $14 Mil/year contract. It's definitely the first thing I think of when the conversation turns to Kevin Love. :rolleyes:
 
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bmayuc said:
Dude you are a mess, lol. Kevin Love is a premier 3 point shooter. I would hope you are not coaching!
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So a 25 year old 3x NBA All-Star is not the outlier?
 
Husky25 said:
Really? That's his greatest strength? On second thought. you're right. That's exactly why Love has a $14 Mil/year contract. It's definitely the first thing I think of when the conversation turns to Kevin Love. :rolleyes:
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Love is very good at three things for a PF: Rebounding, passing (outlet passing) and shooting.

Those are the three main reasons he is being paid that much. Many would probably list shooting as his top skill for his position and overall, others would mention one of the other two. He def is an outlier in the NBA but you are also talking NBA range, not college range. He shot 37.6 percent on 505 attempts last season from three. Career he is 440-1215 or 36.2%.

Hopefully Brimah won't take many college threes and zero NBA threes, but if he can, hopefully that means he has a good midrange game also.
 
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Husky25 said:
You not only lost the forest for the trees, you are also looking at the shrubs.

Kevin Love was a McDAA, 1st team All-American, One & Done, and a 3x NBA All Star. There is debate whether Brimah will even be drafted at this point, let alone rise to the level of Hasheem Thabeet (career, not draft position). And that goes for all the other individual NBA Players that others have mentioned. They are the outliers.

Really? That's his greatest strength? On second thought. you're right. That's exactly why Love has a $14 Mil/year contract. It's definitely the first thing I think of when the conversation turns to Kevin Love. :rolleyes:
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You took a wrong turn somewhere in this thread and you keep driving, when the right move is to probably leave your car by the side of the road. It doesn't sound like you've watched basketball since the 1980s.
 
Only on the boneyard can obvious hyperbole about a Husky morph into a debate about NBA heights, prowess and the merit of Bo Ryan's offensive schemes.

If you are still in the mood for quotes:
"A band ought to have a sound all of its own. It ought to have a personality."
- Glenn Miller
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
You took a wrong turn somewhere in this thread and you keep driving, when the right move is to probably leave your car by the side of the road. It doesn't sound like you've watched basketball since the 1980s.
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I am not the least bit responsible for the hyperbole in this thread. I never compared Brimah to Bol, Durant, Bosh, Love, Nowitzki, Kaminski, et al, but thanks for piling on. I'm sure it'll be good for a like or two.

Be that as it may, I'm stopping with this thread for a while. Among other things, I need to go home and feed my kid. Let me know when Brimah is tossing up treys with any regularity, because his next one in a game will be his first.
 
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Husky25 said:
I am not the least bit responsible for the hyperbole in this thread. I never compared Brimah to Bol, Durant, Bosh, Love, Nowitzki, Kaminski, et al, but thanks for piling on. I'm sure it'll be good for a like or two.

Be that as it may, I'm stopping with this thread for a while. Among other things, I need to go home and feed my kid. Let me know when Brimah is tossing up treys with any regularity, because his next one in a game will be his first.
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I called you out because you said Love should never be near the 3 point line. This is is very, very stupid. You don't watch the NBA and should talk about things which you are familiar. Maybe I am confusing you with someone else, but I recalled you being a knowledgable college basketball poster. It seems that you've gotten so caught up in your argument that you're making yourself sound silly.

I don't think anyone wants Brimah shooting 3's; it has not been mentioned once. No one compared Brimah to KD, Dirk, Bosh or Kaminski. Stop with the straw men.
 
Husky25 said:
I am not the least bit responsible for the hyperbole in this thread. I never compared Brimah to Bol, Durant, Bosh, Love, Nowitzki, Kaminski, et al, but thanks for piling on. I'm sure it'll be good for a like or two.

Be that as it may, I'm stopping with this thread for a while. Among other things, I need to go home and feed my kid. Let me know when Brimah is tossing up treys with any regularity, because his next one in a game will be his first.
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If you had substituted "Brimah" for "a 7 footer" in this sentence "I don't ever want to see a 7 footer take a 3 pointer"....no one would have thought anything of it.
 
intlzncster said:
If you had substituted "Brimah" for "a 7 footer" in this sentence "I don't ever want to see a 7 footer take a 3 pointer"....no one would have thought anything of it.
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Had I said, "It's almost always a bad shot," it would have been more accurate to my original thought.

Naming 5 or so outliers doesn't make it a good play and it really is not necessarily based on height. It just so happens that taller players are more likely to have grown up playing on the block and/or with their back to the basket. There's a comfort level.

If it makes you feel any better, I'll admit that Kevin Love is the exception that proves the rule. That doesn't mean I get the warm and fuzzies when another like-dimensioned player takes that shot.
 
Husky25 said:
If it makes you feel any better, I'll admit that Kevin Love is the exception that proves the rule. That doesn't mean I get the warm and fuzzies when another like-dimensioned player takes that shot.
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We could have saved an entire page of the internet if you had just said, "whoops, I didn't realize Kevin Love was a 37% three-point shooter" instead of having to be dragged out of your hole of wrongness like a deranged badger.

That aside, if Brimah takes a three, I'll tackle him myself.
 
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