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Providence Post Game Thread

Excalibur said:
I just think it comes down to a lack of size (not just height) in the backcourt, and to a lesser extent at power forward. Hurley is also so committed to limiting the number of 3-point attempts that we refuse to help off of shooters on penetration and we crowd guys on the catch, inviting them to drive by us.

It’s why our gaudy shot blocking numbers are an illusion. When teams are taking as many shots near the basket as they are against us, even an average block percentage will produce a lot of blocked shots. Along with those blocks comes all of the bad stuff that comes from too much penetration (high shooting percentages, offensive rebounds, dishes for easy dunks, fouls, etc.).
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Yet when you look at the metrics, opposing teams also shoot below D1 average around the rim against us. For a shot only worth 2pts vs. 3.
 
alphasigko said:
Thankfully the coaches thought better of playing Ross and Samson in the 2nd half, both of whom appeared totally lost in the 1st half. Mahaney and Reed came to play (so did PC) . Great testy win!
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Samson did have some makes in this one, but also missed a dunk, missed a layup and threw something that looked like a viral convulsion off the backboard. Also had a weird forced double pass attempt into AK on a cut that was stolen. Couple that with an inability to rebound or control the paint, and he’s a hard play while Liam is out. Our starting C is averaging less rebounds a game than our 6’1” PG, think about that. It’s hard to understand how Hurley doesn’t see that Tarris is a more foundational 5. He could play the Adama role if feeding the ball into him later in a shot clock as uses both hands, has touch 5-6 feet out. We don’t use him enough, likely our second most pure talent kid on the floor at any point.

Ross did nothing at all in 12 minutes, 0s in the box score including an airball and 2 fouls. He’s empty calories out there. Shooting 30% from field against non tomatoes, 2-15 from three against those teams. He’s done consistently little against good teams and plays anxious, in a way that makes him not feel ready for this level. He must be an amazing practice player because he’s shown nothing Maui on other than UM Hellen Keller.

Stew has flashes against teams like Gonzaga and Memphis that makes you chomp for more, then goes into doldrums. He’s a hard one to figure out.

Aidan looked more comfortable today - like he’s finally figuring out game speed and calibrating to it. Everything with him had looked a tick slow and deliberate. Hopefully that continues, we are going to need it.
 
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lateralous said:
I’ve been critical of how limited his game has been this year and I know he wasn’t raining 3’s today, but this was my favorite game Solo Ball has played so far this year. He did a little bit of everything.
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Including getting beat consistently off the dribble. Hard to believe that here we are, halfway thru the regular season, and he cannot figure out how to solve this defensive issue.
 
alphasigko said:
Including getting beat consistently off the dribble. Hard to believe that here we are, halfway thru the regular season, and he cannot figure out how to solve this defensive issue.
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Watched him pretty closely on D today and most of the open PC shots and runs to the rim were not Solo. Maybe we covered him up a bit, but Solo was not a liability this afternoon.

Loved seeing him on the floor for loose balls, also has a tipped pass that was definitely off PC that was the wrong call.
 
alphasigko said:
Including getting beat consistently off the dribble. Hard to believe that here we are, halfway thru the regular season, and he cannot figure out how to solve this defensive issue.
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Its a roster build issue. Diarra is a high quality defender. Except for rebounding from Samson, our center tandem is a plus defensively. Ross, McNeeley and Karaban are average. Stewart subpar. Mahaney and Ball are woeful. 2-4 its just kind of whatever happens happens.
 
Peacefrog said:
It's interesting to me that several of us are looking at the same thing and seeing it differently. I watched the replay on DVR four times and I see his right foot still on the halfcourt line and then he retreats, never having fully established himself in the front court. I'm going to have to go back and watch again. I'm fascinated that half of us see one thing and half see something else.
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This is the new "is the dress blue or gold."
 
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HooperScooper said:
I'm confused. The ball and both feet went into the front court and then he stepped back and part of his foot was on the half court line. I thought that is a back court violation. I'd like to see the replay to see what happened and someone explain why it wasn't a back court violation.
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The second foot didn't completely cross the line.
 
Hunt for 7 said:
We are a bad defensive team.

We are so bad we should consider playing zone but we won’t.

We are a below average rebounding team without Liam.

We are a very good offensive team.

We have a ton of character.

We need more from our sophomores.

We did not play very well today.

We dropped 10 spots in one of the most advanced and accurate ratings algos after a freakin win.
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Why is there such a negative reaction to this post? It’s 100% accurate. Unless our on-ball defense and defensive rotations get much better, it will continue to be accurate. Reed saved our bacon today on the defensive end.
 
superjohn said:
Team was a mess the first half, by far our worst half on the mainland. Last 13 minutes or so were beautiful and probably the best we've played all season minus the Hass brainfarts in the last minute and the trouble inbounding the ball.

Hass is the heartbeat of this team, the game turned when he started taking over and then Reed further took over and changed the game. Providence was scoring at will the whole game and we couldn't get a defensive rebound. Reed changed that and we were off to the races.

Mahaney was huge, his layup where he contorted his body wasn't a fluke, that's the type of stuff he did at Gonzaga. I feel strongly that trying to turn him into a point guard badly messed with his game and head. He's a born scorer. Huge second half from him and his buckets are just different, they lift the whole team up.

Reed is a beast and we've yet to fully unleash him on teams. He needs to get the ball more and he has more in his package than Danny has let him go to yet. NBA player.

Solo with a quiet really good game and AK made some plays when it mattered after a bad first half.

Total team win.
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“that's the type of stuff he did at Gonzaga”
St. Mary’s?
 
From the looks of things here most posters state the obvious areas that we are weak in. And they are obvious. It’s like the classic dead horse beat down. I see them - Danny sees them we all see them. I really love how hard this team plays. They could have quit, they didn’t. They could have pouted and cried, they didn’t. The coaching staff is responsible for this. A lot of criticism of the refs as well and yesterday I‘m pretty happy that they were the ones doing the game. I wish McNeeley was playing, I wish that we were deeper, but I really enjoy watching this team play.
 
Excalibur said:
I just think it comes down to a lack of size (not just height) in the backcourt, and to a lesser extent at power forward. Hurley is also so committed to limiting the number of 3-point attempts that we refuse to help off of shooters on penetration and we crowd guys on the catch, inviting them to drive by us.

It’s why our gaudy shot blocking numbers are an illusion. When teams are taking as many shots near the basket as they are against us, even an average block percentage will produce a lot of blocked shots. Along with those blocks comes all of the bad stuff that comes from too much penetration (high shooting percentages, offensive rebounds, dishes for easy dunks, fouls, etc.).
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The 133 teams with better DRtg's than UConn's have somehow figured out how to guard the 3 and the 2 better than UConn does.
 
Brochacho said:
Its a roster build issue. Diarra is a high quality defender. Except for rebounding from Samson, our center tandem is a plus defensively. Ross, McNeeley and Karaban are average. Stewart subpar. Mahaney and Ball are woeful. 2-4 its just kind of whatever happens happens.
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Don’t lump Mahaney and Ball together. Metric speaking Ball is a 3x worse defender than Mahaney.

It’s also not a roster build issue. We have a few players that just don’t get it and are struggling to be coached defense. Hurley is trying to keep playing them for the sake of the sophomore class.
 
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superjohn said:
Total team win.
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If we've got six guys scoring double figures, we are a tough team to beat. Talk about everyone's stepping up while Liam is out. Shooting 56% overall, and an insane 72.7% in the second half is the stuff of nightmares for opponents. (On the other hand, this was providence and the fact that they took us to the woodshed in the first half is concerning.)
 
alphasigko said:
Including getting beat consistently off the dribble. Hard to believe that here we are, halfway thru the regular season, and he cannot figure out how to solve this defensive issue.
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You just keep beating your dead horses, my man…even if they are not true in the specific games you’re referring to.
 
Great win, 2nd half response was wonderful to see. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at halftime with Dan very unhappy.

Mahaney and Reed co-MVPs terrific coming off the bench and bringing huge energy. Tarris blocking that shot after following a guard who beat him was amazing, he’s so much more athletic than we think. He brings a toughness we lose with SJ, although he did have a good start as well. Need Mahaneys offensive abilities especially with McNeeley out. I mean yeah he gets beat on D but my question to those who harp on it, who doesn’t on this team? You can see how happy the team and coaches are when he is playing well because they see him in practice and know he’s a real good player who has struggled a lot this far. Hope this was a coming out for Aidan.

Ross continues to disappoint he’s not the defensive presence you hope, he’s not scoring except for the occasional put back. Stewie deserves his minutes 5/5 yesterday he at least is involved and hitting the boards.

Solo was solid, another 4 rebounds makes 10 in the last 2 which is important. Needs to finish better when he pulls up for mid game and lay ins but he’s getting there.

Diarra a tremendous 2nd half after a very bad 1st half in which he looked like he couldn’t make a decision with the ball, and when he did it wasn’t good. Amazing turnaround into a more confident decision maker and killer on the free throw line as well as the other end.

Samson had a great start but suddenly they changed their look defensively and he was lost. He is so frustrating rebounding he never gets into box out position continuously facing the offensive rebounder and unable to get a rebound. He is good for some matchups and does some good things but still we are better with Reed mostly.

Another fun thing to watch was how in to the game Braylon Mullins and especially his dad were. Dad didn’t sit down after the comeback started and even power fisted a couple made buckets during the comeback, Braylon as well. Already Huskies I love it!!

Nice tough win they will all be like this until Liam returns. Hold on tight!
 
mauconnfan said:
Need Mahaneys offensive abilities especially with McNeeley out. I mean yeah he gets beat on D but my question to those who harp on it, who doesn’t on this team?

Ross continues to disappoint he’s not the defensive presence you hope, he’s not scoring except for the occasional put back. Stewie deserves his minutes 5/5 yesterday he at least is involved and hitting the boards.

Solo was solid, another 4 rebounds makes 10 in the last 2 which is important. Needs to finish better when he pulls up for mid game and lay ins but he’s getting there.
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I think these are all really good points

We crucify Aidan for his defense on here (most of the time deservedly so) but all of Aidan/Solo/Ross are traffic cones on defense (Ross had the performance against Gonzaga has been bad the last two games for on-ball defense), while at least yesterday PC’s entire gameplan was “find Karaban and score on him”. As long as they give enough effort defensively (never a problem with a Hurley team) and have enough offensive plays to balance it out (as Mahaney and Karaban did yesterday), then it should be fine. Not ideal, but fine.

Ross had a bad game but with Liam out I think we just need the 3 of Aidan/Stewart/Ross to combine for Liam’s production. Yesterday it all came from Mahaney but ideally it’s spread a little more to give us more options. Then when Liam is back they will have more confidence

I’m all for Solo trying those mid range shots and getting to the hoop. Guys will run him off the line as much as possible so that shot will always be available. +1 on great rebounding improvement
 
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mauconnfan said:
Great win, 2nd half response was wonderful to see. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at halftime with Dan very unhappy.

Mahaney and Reed co-MVPs terrific coming off the bench and bringing huge energy. Tarris blocking that shot after following a guard who beat him was amazing, he’s so much more athletic than we think. He brings a toughness we lose with Samson Johnson, although he did have a good start as well. Need Mahaneys offensive abilities especially with McNeeley out. I mean yeah he gets beat on D but my question to those who harp on it, who doesn’t on this team? You can see how happy the team and coaches are when he is playing well because they see him in practice and know he’s a real good player who has struggled a lot this far. Hope this was a coming out for Aidan.

Ross continues to disappoint he’s not the defensive presence you hope, he’s not scoring except for the occasional put back. Stewie deserves his minutes 5/5 yesterday he at least is involved and hitting the boards.

Solo was solid, another 4 rebounds makes 10 in the last 2 which is important. Needs to finish better when he pulls up for mid game and lay ins but he’s getting there.

Diarra a tremendous 2nd half after a very bad 1st half in which he looked like he couldn’t make a decision with the ball, and when he did it wasn’t good. Amazing turnaround into a more confident decision maker and killer on the free throw line as well as the other end.

Samson had a great start but suddenly they changed their look defensively and he was lost. He is so frustrating rebounding he never gets into box out position continuously facing the offensive rebounder and unable to get a rebound. He is good for some matchups and does some good things but still we are better with Reed mostly.

Another fun thing to watch was how in to the game Braylon Mullins and especially his dad were. Dad didn’t sit down after the comeback started and even power fisted a couple made buckets during the comeback, Braylon as well. Already Huskies I love it!!

Nice tough win they will all be like this until Liam returns. Hold on tight!
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Without Diarra on the court, they don’t win. He gets better and better every game.
 
Punkbo said:
Why is there such a negative reaction to this post? It’s 100% accurate. Unless our on-ball defense and defensive rotations get much better...
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I can only speak for myself and I can tell you I'm already sick of you and him and all the other members of the Fellowship of the Miserable. You folks want to wallow in criticism after our 8th straight victory have at it. But the team is giving their all. Do you really think Hurley doesn't know exactly what he has this year, that you know better? I think you all sound stupid. You guys were all teed up to go off after this game but unfortunately for you, they ended up winning. Still, that didn't stop all the dead horses from being beaten all over again. I see a lot of spoiled and arrogence here and it's not the cutesie-poo look you think it is.
 
Excalibur said:
The ball and both feet have to be completely over for it to be an over and back violation. It was a bad call that ignored the rules of basketball.
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No, you have the rule backwards. You’re not in the frontcourt until the ball and both feet are in. But once you are, if any of the three go into the backcourt, it’s a violation.
 
cp176 said:
Without Diarra on the court, they don’t win. He gets better and better every game.
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No doubt did I say anything to the contrary? He was awful in the first half and like it or not it’s the truth. He had a great 2nd half but was also a big part of the bad first half by all. He was as rattled as the rest of the team and it can’t happen at the point.
 
NickDanger said:
No, you have the rule backwards. You’re not in the frontcourt until the ball and both feet are in. But once you are, if any of the three go into the backcourt, it’s a violation.
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My apologies, since I thought it was obvious he made it into the front court, I thought you must’ve been misinterpreting the rule. But you actually thought he never made it into the front court.
 
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