Providence Post Game Thread

[navery12]

Did you think games were 20 minutes long?

I'm sad I missed his post. I can only imagine how bad it was considering everything he's posted after the comeback

 

[FearThePups]

I'm being dead serious, but I only tuned into the second half. I'm assuming it was better earlier?

You have your halves mixed up. Well if you only tuned into the 2nd half you must be deaf. It was rocking. It was like a church in the 1st half as we got smashed face so there was nothing to cheer about.

 

[superjohn]

Team was a mess the first half, by far our worst half on the mainland. Last 13 minutes or so were beautiful and probably the best we've played all season minus the Hass brainfarts in the last minute and the trouble inbounding the ball.

Hass is the heartbeat of this team, the game turned when he started taking over and then Reed further took over and changed the game. Providence was scoring at will the whole game and we couldn't get a defensive rebound. Reed changed that and we were off to the races.

Mahaney was huge, his layup where he contorted his body wasn't a fluke, that's the type of stuff he did at Gonzaga. I feel strongly that trying to turn him into a point guard badly messed with his game and head. He's a born scorer. Huge second half from him and his buckets are just different, they lift the whole team up.

Reed is a beast and we've yet to fully unleash him on teams. He needs to get the ball more and he has more in his package than Danny has let him go to yet. NBA player.

Solo with a quiet really good game and AK made some plays when it mattered after a bad first half.

Total team win.

I need more sleep, I had in my head all day that Mahaney played at Gonzaga. Lolz

 

[Excalibur]

We’ve seen quite a bit of this so far. Refs pretty much refuse to call freedom of movement to start the game, contact gets wildly out of hand, and then the refs have to swing wildly the other direction to get the game under control again. I get it’s a fine line to set the tone on that stuff early without making it unwatchable but it shouldn’t be too much to ask to at least come close to that line.

This has been a problem for years. It’s like they’re afraid to get players in early foul trouble, and the game gets out of hand quickly.

Call one or two early and it cleans things up the rest of the way. But they do it in reverse.

 

[Husky Alien]

The ball and both feet have to be completely over for it to be an over and back violation. It was a bad call that ignored the rules of basketball.

The ball and both feet were over and then he stepped back and heal caught the half court line.

 

[jostar1]

 

[Excalibur]

The ball and both feet were over and then he stepped back and heal caught the half court line.

They showed it on the close up. The heel never crossed completely over.

 

[uconnfan68]

Well that was stressful

Just those inbounds plays were stressful.

 

[Peacefrog]

The call was correct. You cannot touch the backcourt once you have been completely in the frontcourt. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

Watched the replay in slow motion and it doesn't look like his right foot ever fully crossed into the frontcourt. Incorrect call as far as I could tell.

 

[IndyLives]

Mahaney as advertised. Looks like he will take over the scoring hole left by McNeeley.

 

[REB1094]

We’ve seen quite a bit of this so far. Refs pretty much refuse to call freedom of movement to start the game, contact gets wildly out of hand, and then the refs have to swing wildly the other direction to get the game under control again. I get it’s a fine line to set the tone on that stuff early without making it unwatchable but it shouldn’t be too much to ask to at least come close to that line.

It was the most extreme I've seen in a long time today. Generally I think that officials should never change the tone they set. If they set the tone early that physicality is allowed, then they should stay consistent and let the players and the coaches adjust to it. I actually really dislike when officials change their tone halfway through the game

Again today it was warranted because it was really bad in the first half, but I understand if PC fans think they got hosed. I don't agree, but I understand lol

 

[Excalibur]

Watched the replay in slow motion and it doesn't look like his right foot ever fully crossed into the frontcourt. Incorrect call as far as I could tell.

I don’t know why people are even arguing this. It was clear as day on the replay.

 

[slepers]

I'm being dead serious, but I only tuned into the second half. I'm assuming it was better earlier?

What are those 3words……deaf, dumb, blind

 

[Revrat]

I don’t know why people are even arguing this. It was clear as day on the replay.

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

 

[Peacefrog]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

You're not understanding what people are saying; it has nothing to do with the rule. Mahaney NEVER established himself in the frontcourt. You can't go over and back when you never came over. Watch the replay, its pretty clear.

 

[AllHusky]

Really enjoyed watching Solo Ball today and thinking "that kid is becoming a complete ballplayer, defense, rebounding, playmaking is coming along, and his driving has one more click to go, Those teardrops can be traded in for a rim rattling dunk half the time. Very exciting!!

Will own up to a "Mahaney is unplayable" comment in the Chat during the first half. Mela was just too much for him, but kid sure as heck came roaring back in the second half. Equally as much fun as watching Ball morph before your eyes. Apologies Aidan, way to answer!!

 

[Leebo]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

But you have to be fully in the front court before any of that applies and they're saying he never got fully in.

I'd need to see it again, wasn't watching at that time.

 

[superjohn]

Wow, Hurley finally admitted he was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with Mahaney. We should see a better Mahaney now that he'll be asked to do what he does, score the ball. Really gotta get Nowell some minutes backing up Hass.

 

[Excalibur]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and you’re in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and you’re in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

The player was still touching the backcourt precisely because his foot never completely crossed the line. So I appreciate you quoting the rule that proves you wrong.

This is one of the scenarios they work with early on when they train referees.

 

[Gurleyman]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

The issue is whether he was ever fully in the frontcourt. The referee got in the way on the replay and I didn’t rewind. It looked like his back foot was on the line (which would mean he’s in the backcourt) - with his heel coming up. If the heel came up and his toe was in the frontcourt he might have actually come all the way over technically.

 

[spudzj6]

You're not understanding what people are saying; it has nothing to do with the rule. Mahaney NEVER established himself in the frontcourt. You can't go over and back when you never came over. Watch the replay, its pretty clear.

Agreed - and we can say all day it took us looking at a slow motion replay to catch that he never fully crossed. What drives me nuts is the ref on the far side, 40 feet away made the call, where the ref 2 feet away didn't call it (albeit he was looking away). Same thing happened on the ghost foul by Karaban early, far side ref by halfcourt called it while ref under the hoop stayed silent.

 

[jpeakin]

Well that was stressful

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[Revrat]

The player was still touching the backcourt precisely because his foot never completely crossed the line. So I appreciate you quoting the rule that proves you wrong.

This is one of the scenarios they work with early on when they train referees.

Im pretty sure the replay showed he stepped over and then back but ill have to see the replay again to be sure. But if thats the case then it is of course the wrong call.

 

[Marat]

Wow, Hurley finally admitted he was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with Mahaney. We should see a better Mahaney now that he'll be asked to do what he does, score the ball. Really gotta get Nowell some minutes backing up Hass.

Yeah Hurley said he messed up the early part of the season with this. That was kinda funny what many here had been saying for a while. So Danny doesn't always know better then...

 

[AntG168]

I don’t know why people are even arguing this. It was clear as day on the replay.

The problem is it probably happens every other play every game. To call it there is to purposefully look to make a game changing call.